Apparently, there are new Security measure at airports. If you meet a certain Criteria for fragmentary information , which includes race, religion, etc., you may be pulled over for additional screening. Before, everyone was pulled over for Additonal Screening, this dosent appear to be the case anymore. heres a quote:
"Race or religion could be part of "fragmentary information" being used to select passengers but will be used "only when we have reliable intelligence that suggests that someone with that characteristic is a potential terrorist," the official said. "
from the way I heard it on the news, it appears that you wont be pulled for additional screening if you dont meet these critierias (in other words, if your white, your msot likely a okay)
All of this really sounds like a nice way of saying were going to start racially profiling people. Anyway, I dont fly alot, so I dont really care, and me and my dad got a good laugh when we heard this on the news today.
That doesn't exactly make it right. Hell, a lot of terrorists could get through quite easily just by looking white (even if the logic behind this is completely wrong.)
My parents recently went on a trip overseas. They said when it came to security checks it was clear they were checking people because of race. They didn't even get a bag check or anything(we're white), everyone else who wasn't white got checked basically.
Speaking as an Afghan American I can say this isn't going to change anything about going to the airport. Still gonna be screened like 5 times. Good stuff :(
i kind of wish there were whites that did terrorist attacks. it will just show that dark colored people aren't always terrorist. pretty much they are going to check anyone that is dark colored. pretty crazy stuff man. what is the world coming to.
" i kind of wish there were whites that did terrorist attacks. it will just show that dark colored people aren't always terrorist. pretty much they are going to check anyone that is dark colored. pretty crazy stuff man. what is the world coming to. "
For airports I doubt you would see any.
However there's the remains of what's left of the KKK and this particular group.
Just proves that Arabs aren't the only terrorists in the world, you know. Just that we take it more offensively when someone hijacks a plane and smashes it into one of the tallest buildings in the world. =/
Unless of course you're one of those conspiracy theorists.
I fail to see the issue with this. If this means, on average, less waiting, while still retaining a high level of security, then it's a good move on their part.
I say we drop the security completely. Yeah, I'm aware of the dangers but it's more convenient for me. We should have the option to fly a non-secure flight to bypass security if we want.
Racial profiling at airports in the US, and the conclusion of the first criminal trial without a jury for over 400 years here in the UK. Shit is getting pretty fucked up.
" Racial profiling at airports in the US, and the conclusion of the first criminal trial without a jury for over 400 years here in the UK. Shit is getting pretty fucked up. "
Sometimes a trial without a jury can be a good thing. As long as justice is seen to be done, is it really that big a deal? It isn't like it will become the norm as there were exceptional circumstances.
" Racial profiling at airports in the US, and the conclusion of the first criminal trial without a jury for over 400 years here in the UK. Shit is getting pretty fucked up. "
Sometimes a trial without a jury can be a good thing. As long as justice is seen to be done, is it really that big a deal? It isn't like it will become the norm as there were exceptional circumstances. "
It isn't about justice being seen to be done, it is about justice being done. You are to be judged by a jury of your peers who have been presented the case - not by the state, the media, or the general population. If there is alleged jury tampering then the answer is to protect the jury better, not do away with them entirely. It isn't about the individual case, it is the precedent it sets - maybe next time they'll decide the circumstances don't need to be quite so exceptional to try without a jury, then a little less exceptional, and eventually whenever it's just more expedient to go straight to a judge to guarantee a desirable outcome.
You either have the Right to a trial by jury of your peers or you don't, it can't just be a Right when it's convenient for the state. That's a very dangerous road to start going down.
" Racial profiling at airports in the US, and the conclusion of the first criminal trial without a jury for over 400 years here in the UK. Shit is getting pretty fucked up. "
Sometimes a trial without a jury can be a good thing. As long as justice is seen to be done, is it really that big a deal? It isn't like it will become the norm as there were exceptional circumstances. "
It isn't about justice being seen to be done, it is about justice being done. You are to be judged by a jury of your peers who have been presented the case - not by the state, the media, or the general population. If there is alleged jury tampering then the answer is to protect the jury better, not do away with them entirely. It isn't about the individual case, it is the precedent it sets - maybe next time they'll decide the circumstances don't need to be quite so exceptional to try without a jury, then a little less exceptional, and eventually whenever it's just more expedient to go straight to a judge to guarantee a desirable outcome. You either have the Right to a trial by jury of your peers or you don't, it can't just be a Right when it's convenient for the state. That's a very dangerous road to start going down. "
I just think more of this is being made than is necessary. I believe in the principle of being a master of the laws, not its servant. In that, I mean, you don't take the law literally to the detriment of it, but allow adaptive case by case scenarios to achieve the best outcome, for the community, not just for the accused. I think you will find that it was a fair trial and that is all that matters. Not that I am saying deep down that I don't share your concerns. It is just that I don't see any floodgates opening up in a hurry, or at all.
" i kind of wish there were whites that did terrorist attacks. it will just show that dark colored people aren't always terrorist. pretty much they are going to check anyone that is dark colored. pretty crazy stuff man. what is the world coming to. "
Wow...
Political Correctness could ultimately be the downfall of America.
I can't think of a bigger casualty in politically correct thinking than common sense. Yes, let's ignore visible tangible physical trait patterns in airplane terrorists because of how some twats in Europe might perceive us. Give me a break.
Empirical data suggests that the majority of terrorist actions directed against the United States of America stems from those of a fairly small selection of racial and religious backgrounds.
Hm, Might be a good idea for Muslims and such to shave their beards and wear a nice suit when flying, unless they want to spend 2 hours getting frisked all over. But yeah a little silly tbh.
Hurray, at least now they won't lie to me with that tired ass line of, "You have been selected for random screening" anymore. I can't figure out if honesty is a good step forward or not, probably not.
They should just use common sense. Look at the Christmas bomber: Single male from Nigeria flying a one way trip to the US...... with no bags. Red flags should be going off. Just pull him aside and ask a few questions. Done.
Car insurance is more expensive for individuals who just got the driver's license. Sure, it's discrimination, but statistics say that they crash more often. And statistically, individuals with mentioned background, is more likely to take a plane and crash them into a building. I believe that this decision wasn't driven by a racist mentality, but more something towards cynicism. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I don't think we should ignore obvious commonalities among terrorist attacks and crime in general because it might be considered racist, facts are facts and the fact is some middle eastern guy is more likely to be a terrorist. I personaly would be far more affraid of a middle eastern guy acting suspiciosly at an airport than I would a any other race, and I don't put that down to racism.
That's too bad for Muslims and black people that a large portion of Muslims have to ruin things for everybody by hating Jews and Americans. But that's the way the cookie crumbles, and risking lives over something stupid like being "Racist" is fucking stupid. Fact of the matter is you don't see many white muslims. There are some I'm sure. But not many. Also I have never met a regular Muslim that doesn't hate Jews and Americans. Even if they're not terrorists, they're still outspoken about Jews and Americans for no good reason other than they are inbred pinheads. As a rational hard working civilized non religious white North American with a proper education, and a good paying job: I agree with racial profiling at Airports.
I see no reason for my life to end because some poor ill taught barbarian thinks he's going to get laid eternally by 7 under aged virgin wives in heaven, and some liberal prick thought it might be racist to check an obvious Muslim's bags for things that should not be there.
I don't see how there is anything wrong with this. Muslims are statistically more likely to try and kill everyone on a plane. If peaceful muslims (who shouldn't really call themselves muslims) don't like it then they should dissociate themselves from the extremists. Anyway, as long as there is tolerance for the Koran then there should be tolerance for killing of non muslims, you can say the same for the Bible. I think it's Deuteronomy 13, it says kill everyone who doesn't follow your god, and make sure nothing ever lives there again.
" That's too bad for Muslims and black people that a large portion of Muslims have to ruin things for everybody by hating Jews and Americans. But that's the way the cookie crumbles, and risking lives over something stupid like being "Racist" is fucking stupid. Fact of the matter is you don't see many white muslims. There are some I'm sure. But not many. Also I have never met a regular Muslim that doesn't hate Jews and Americans. Even if they're not terrorists, they're still outspoken about Jews and Americans for no good reason other than they are inbred pinheads. As a rational hard working civilized non religious white North American with a proper education, and a good paying job: I agree with racial profiling at Airports.
I see no reason for my life to end because some poor ill taught barbarian thinks he's going to get laid eternally by 7 under aged virgin wives in heaven, and some liberal prick thought it might be racist to check an obvious Muslim's bags for things that should not be there. "
I'm gonna have to agree with this guy here. I'm a brown Muslim, so I'm probably one of the people who will get probed up the ass in an airport, but better safe than sorry. This profiling isn't that every Muslim and non-white person will be discriminated, it's basing on the fact that a fairly large majority of airport attacks have been from the audience that they are profiling.
It says only if they have reliable intelligence suggesting someone with those characteristics could be a terrorist. It doesn't mean that this is racial profiling. It could be, but it's not right to just assume that.
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