I like oldies music. this, rap beats, Eminem, and a less than 10 pop/rock songs is what I listen to. People of my age now can't seem to accept this music, why? I once bought my cellphone to school, it being full of oldies music. a classmate borrowed it and next thing I know I am the laughing stock.. people nowadays, shouldn't be called people..
People don't know oldies music now..
I'm sorry, but what qualifies as "oldies"? I don't really care for the use of terms like that because it just comes off as a vein attempt to make it sound like older music is somehow better. There's always good music and bad music, time has nothing to do with it (although it does do a pretty good job of making us forget about the bad).
Anyways, to answer your question as to why people can't accept older music, there's a variety of reasons for it, but mostly it's marketing. Modern music is heavily marketed to youth, therefore youth listen to modern music. Pretty simple really. If you want to listen to older music that's cool, I dig some Bo Diddley myself, but if you choose to forego listening to modern music entirely then you'll have to accept some of the social consequences.
Oldies is such a subjective term. When I hear "oldies" I think Elvis. But then again, I hate new music. Any bands that came into existence after the mid-90s are no good (to me, anyway).
I work in an environment where most of the people I interact with were born in the 90's...their definition of "oldies" is different than mine. This needs definition. Also, the wikipedia for Old Time Music which turned up googling "old music" further confuses the issue.
I think if someone only listens to music that has come out in the past 5-10 years than their musical perception and interpretation is pretty shot. I don't listen to a whole lot of 'old' music as you are saying. Mostly 90's stuff is what I listen to. However, I still have a grand appreciation for the older styles and don't have any problem listening to them. I enjoy the classics like Frank Sinatra and a lot of Jazz, as well as things with classical influence, though my musical preference is more along the lines of Tool, Isis, Deftones, etc.
" I have nothing against modern day musicians but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "I'd have to disagree with you there. I certainly don't think that "the music of yesterday" is worse, far from it, but it isn't somehow better, it's just marketed as being better through the use of terms like "oldies" and "classic [insert genre here]". I wouldn't argue with you if you were to suggest that the sheer quantity of great music being released in the 50, 60s, 70s, etc. was superior to today's quantity, but it's wrong to be so dismissive of the quality of more modern music (and by that I mean music released within the past decade or so).
I listen to music from the 50's up to the late 80's. In terms of modern music, the only group that I can really tolerate is Muse.
" I listen to Bing Crosby, Anita Bryant, Johnny Cash, Neil Sedaka, Al Martino, Elvis, Pat Boone, Connie Francis, Matt Monro, Platters, Lettermen, and Paul Anka are a few... "Yeah, that and a lot of the doo-wop music from the late 40's to the early 60's.
" I have nothing against modern day musicians but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "people who say this clearly aren't digging deep enough.
Edit: Ok, so you like swing and crooners. Fair enough; it isn't to my tastes, but I'm not one to put other people down for what they enjoy listening to.
" I have nothing against modern day musicians
This seems contradictory with the claim that:
@dunkard said:
" but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "It sounds like you DO have something against modern music. The claim that there's no deeper meaning in todays music is ridiculously unfounded. In fact I'd say you're making the same baseless assumptions and value judgements that you claim your peers are doing. In fact I think you say it best when you argue that " people nowadays, shouldn't be called people.."
But hell I'll give you the benefit of the doubt,
" Baby let me be,
The way I see it, in today's world, underground music is where it's at. Not saying all the music you hear on the radio is bad, but I much prefer listening to music through word of mouth about underground music than what's popular on the radio.
" @dunkard said:" I have nothing against modern day musicians but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "people who say this clearly aren't digging deep enough. "
The amount of good and bad music today is the same as it was 50 years ago, but only the great ones are remembered. You just have to look more carefully, and you will find amazing music.
" @dunkard said:Well Beej, you clearly aren't digging deep enough are you?" I have nothing against modern day musicians
This seems contradictory with the claim that:
@dunkard said:" but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "It sounds like you DO have something against modern music. The claim that there's no deeper meaning in todays music is ridiculously unfounded. In fact I'd say you're making the same baseless assumptions and value judgements that you claim your peers are doing. In fact I think you say it best when you argue that " people nowadays, shouldn't be called people.."
But hell I'll give you the benefit of the doubt,
" Baby let me be,your lovin' Teddy BearPut a chain around my neck,and lead me anywhereOh let me beYour teddy bear.I don't wanna be a tigerCause tigers play too roughI don't wanna be a lion'Cause lions ain't the kindyou love enough.Just wanna be, your Teddy BearPut a chain around my neckand lead me anywhereOh let me beYour teddy bear.Baby let me be, around you every nightRun your fingers through my hair,And cuddle me real tight"Pretty fucking deep sir. See? I can cherry pick examples too! "
It's a story about love gone wrong. You see Elvis is begging to be loved by this girl, but she has refused him for the warm embrace of her 'Teddy Bear' which is obviously a reference to Edward Kennedy. She was a deep political activist, obsessed with Teddy Kennedy...and try as he might he couldn't drag her away.
Bear, Tigers, Lions..these were all animals that were caged and paraded in front of Las Vegas audiences...there he's saying that he doesn't want to be a spectacle, something to be poked and looked at. They could also double for the political wrangling on Capital Hill. Images of savage fights in the senate house....
He even goes so far as to suggest that he would be her slave 'put your chain around my neck'. It was an obsession that lead to him faking his own death. Remember, Elvis ended up faking his own death and battling the forces of evil in a care home.
of course it's not as deep as 'I'm the King of the Swingers' as performed by Louis Prima, but nothing really is....
Ugh, I can't stand the oldies. I'm referring to stuff by The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Fats Domino, shit like that. I work at a grocery store and most of the customers are fucking fossils, so when the store isn't playing super hits of the '80's for the soccer moms they're playing incredibly old shit for the old people. I can't stand it, it's just too upbeat for me, and it feels like they're all about "Taking your gal out to that swell high school dance!"
I like "oldies". I got into music recorded in the 1950's-1970's in the 1980's when I despised all the crap that was on the radio. Of course, by today's standards, that music would be considered "oldies" too now. I still can't wrap my head around the idea that Huey Lewis and the News are considered "classic rock" now. Time makes fossils of us all --- and it will happen to you, too!
" I have nothing against modern day musicians but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "Popular music has always been shallow and manufactured. There is lots of deep, meaningful music and thanks to the increased ability to share information in the 21st century you are more likely to find it. You couldn't be more wrong. If you are listening to chart music then you are only going to find shit.
" @dunkard said:You don't know jack shit about good music if all you're worried about is if they are popular or not. There's a reason songs get popular. That's because they talk to people in different ways and the music matches the moods and attitudes of the times they were played. You get happy go lucky songs in the 50's because that's how a lot of people felt. You get psycidellic trips in the 60's because everyone was loosing themselves to experimentation. You get bands like Black Flag when the kids are tired people telling them how they should act in society. Music has nothing to do with Billboard charts but everything to do with how the population they grew up in is felling. I think we get a lot of shitty carbon copy music today because the younger gen is too busy trying to be different while at the same time copying older trends that they like." I have nothing against modern day musicians but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "Popular music has always been shallow and manufactured. There is lots of deep, meaningful music and thanks to the increased ability to share information in the 21st century you are more likely to find it. You couldn't be more wrong. If you are listening to chart music then you are only going to find shit. "
Sure there will always be the recording industries new little pop star, but even they serve a purpose in music. Certain plain Janes love those poppy songs and other people get sick of hearing them and decide to start their own bands and do better.
" I wished I was born on the 1920's because I wished that I was a Marine deployed in the Pacific during ww2.. old songs kinda remind me of this period, especially when Bing Crosby sings. "Oh holy crap.
How did this sneak by you guys?
" When people refer to classic rock from the 60s and 70s as oldies, I want to do harm to them. I have some friends that do this. They're hard to talk to. "You think that's bad? Last month I had a conversation with someone who considered Guns 'n Roses and Nirvana to be "Oldies". I nearly dove out of the fucking window.
" I listen to Bing Crosby, Anita Bryant, Johnny Cash, Neil Sedaka, Al Martino, Elvis, Pat Boone, Connie Francis, Matt Monro, Platters, Lettermen, and Paul Anka are a few... "@dunkard said:
" I have nothing against modern day musicians but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "Sorry, I love oldies music (give me Bing, Cash, Presley, Sinatra, Fitzgerald, Porter, The Ink Spots, Armstrong, or Gershwin whenever) and even I can't take you seriously anymore. Those two statements, one after the other, just seems CRAZY.
Anyways, the reason most teenagers don't know those artists is because their parents mostly grew up in the 60's and 70's. The number of teenagers who know who Freddie Mercury is, or who can recognize the comedy in a dialogue composed entirely of Beatles song titles, or know the history of metal going back to Steppenwolf is astounding. Those parents who DO share that stuff with their kids...well, it'll be like my generation sharing grunge or boy bands like N*SYNC with their kids. It's somebody else's music, we weren't around to experience it, and a good piece of it (see Pat Boone) is just a popular sensation more than any kind of art.
Also,
@Toms115 said:
" @dunkard said:I completely agree with this statement. Especially if we're talking about the era of music you're discussing, popular music didn't even really come into its own as social commentary until about ten years later, during the 1960's and the folk rock movement. Ella Fitzgerald may be the greatest singer of all time (I always veer that way, anyways) but Eminem's "Stan" probably has more meaning than anything she's ever performed, and so does half of The Beatles' catalog. I always felt that era was more about thoughtful tune-writing (see Cole Porter's work) or excellent performance of standards." I have nothing against modern day musicians but I think the music of yesterday has more and deeper meaning. "people who say this clearly aren't digging deep enough. "
" @dunkard said:what? is there anything wrong with that?" I wished I was born on the 1920's because I wished that I was a Marine deployed in the Pacific during ww2.. old songs kinda remind me of this period, especially when Bing Crosby sings. "Oh holy crap. How did this sneak by you guys? "
" @DemiGodRaven said:Is there anything wrong with wanting to be in one of the most terrifying war fronts America's ever been a part of, that killed more soldiers than the rest of our 20th century wars combined? Yes, there is something wrong with that. I know it's a fantasy, but many of the people who fought there fantasize about having done anything BUT fighting in the Pacific. It's very much not unlike someone saying they wished they had fought in Vietnam and that Elvis's "In The Ghetto" reminded them of the period." @dunkard said:what? is there anything wrong with that? "" I wished I was born on the 1920's because I wished that I was a Marine deployed in the Pacific during ww2.. old songs kinda remind me of this period, especially when Bing Crosby sings. "Oh holy crap. How did this sneak by you guys? "
Here's the thing with the music industry: The majority of consumers buy what they are told to. The songs they hear on the radio and the songs that other people like. It's not about what is good music or not. To make it in the music industry it's not about making the best music, it's about the way you sell it. Elvis was a sex symbol, so he sold records. Michael Jackson could dance, so he sold records. Lady Gaga dresses up funny, so she sells records. Do you really think if Elvis was fat, Michael Jackson was in a wheelchair and Lady Gaga dressed like a normal person they would be as famous? The music is a sideshow. It's what happens in a celebrity culture. It's why record companies look for people like Justin Bieber that they can market. If the music industry isn't shallow why do so many of the popular groups care so much about their image? Why do people give a crap about anything that these people do outside of a studio or off a stage? They don't really care about the music, that's why. It's been like this for a long time and I don't see it going away.
There are obviously exceptions, but what I am talking about is so prevalent it's worth talking about.
" @jams: Lady Gaga dresses up funny, so she sells records. Do you really think if Elvis was fat, Michael Jackson was in a wheelchair and Lady Gaga dressed like a normal person they would be as famous? The music is a sideshow. "So...Presley had already released "Heartbreak Hotel" before he got on TV, so his looks were (at least at that time) irrelevant.
Jackson had already had his back catalog with the Jackson 5, so he would've still gotten famous if he'd produced his catalog. Not to mention dancing is as much a part of performance as singing, so discounting that is somewhat foolish. It'd be like discounting the way Buddy Guy makes faces while he plays, or the energy a famous conductor puts into his performances.
Lady GaGa dresses comparatively normally in concert, sticking to costumes from the music videos and the more standard pop leotards, as well as during her first breakout single, Just Dance, where she pretty much just dresses like a Vogue model. She got popular largely because of the music; maybe she reached people like my mom through the style, but the large majority of her fan constituency is due to the music and her activism. The people who only know her style have largely moved on, and treat her almost as a "thing of the past."
The music is not a "sideshow" to the recording industry so long as we're talking about the big labels. You have to be good AND marketable. And acting like image is a big part of what makes these artists successful is A) not a problem if we're talking about dance and performance and B) not fair to the other half of their album that never gets turned into a music video. Lady GaGa's albums are both full of songs that never became singles and never received videos, but you certainly don't have to skip past them on the record. And don't even REMIND me that there's no music video for Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'.
Is there anything wrong with wanting to be in one of the most terrifying war fronts America's ever been a part of, that killed more soldiers than the rest of our 20th century wars combined? Yes, there is something wrong with that.
yeah it's a fantasy but I'm sorry if I offended/insulted people here.
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