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#1  Edited By torus
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#2  Edited By torus

I know there was a topic linking to the political compass website earlier, but I thought it would be more interesting to have a survey that would give an idea of the general political affiliation of Giantbomb users. I really don't know what to expect. 
 
If you want to get an exact idea, you can use the survey on that website (but please still answer the Poll here). 
 
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test   
  

 
 
Or you can just use that graph to determine your affiliation. 
 
Personally, I am in the center of the green.
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#3  Edited By Suicrat

This co-axial system oversimplifies many aspects of political philosophy and ascribes an entire dimension (the X axis) to political arrogance. I reject it as a way of quantifying political alignment.

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#4  Edited By torus

So don't answer it. I'm not trying to get a comprehensive understanding of the nuances of each and every giantbomb user's political identity- I'm just interested in a general overview, which is what that co-axial graph provides.

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#5  Edited By Suicrat

I did answer it though. Just not by clicking one of the poll options. I was merely expressing my perception of its inadequacy.

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#6  Edited By super_machine

I'm a centrist left. I don't Identify myself with either democrat or republican, but I lean more liberal than conservative. I find a lot of conservative ideas tend to be based on irrationality and fear mongering.

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#7  Edited By breadfan

I'm a centrist.  I agree with some issues on both sides of the party and I disagree with things on both sides as well

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#8  Edited By EdIsCool

Centrist Left in Ireland.Which in the states probably makes me Michael Moore's fucktoy.

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#9  Edited By amosdudley
@EdIsCool:  
 
Are you people voting in the poll? Only poll answers are of any use in getting a good idea of the overall userbase's politics.
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#10  Edited By EdIsCool

@amosdudley
I voted center left, but I regretted it as depending on what country you are from Im much further left than that might say.
Ireland tiptoes slightly left and right of center.No extremist gets within an asses roar of power.

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#11  Edited By WitchHunter_Z

Centerist Right...barely. Honestly, I just want to live my life the way I want to, and let others do the same, I don't want to tell anyone what to do as long as it isn't directly causing harm to me or anyone else; however on certain issues [e.g. prison issues] I find myself veering more towards the right.

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#12  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator

When taking the political compass test, I always come out as very left, slightly libertarian. Personally I feel I'm very left, and slightly authoritarian. Although the political compass test is probably right.

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#14  Edited By torus

I hope we can get maximum participation on this poll- without a large sample size, it's meaningless.

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#15  Edited By EdIsCool

I would prefer centrist left to be winning too easy for the right to say those on the left  are  all looney tunes the way the polll looks atm.

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#16  Edited By Benjaminvdv
@super_machine said:
" I'm a centrist left. I don't Identify myself with either democrat or republican, but I lean more liberal than conservative. I find a lot of conservative ideas tend to be based on irrationality and fear mongering. "
So you're right winged. Leaning more towards the right winged democrats rather then the far right winged republicans doesn't make you left winged.
 
Anyway I'm a socialist.
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#17  Edited By Snipzor

Left-wing libertarian, in the graph, I am literally in the middle of the "Libertarian Left" category.
 
Also, Suicrat is Right-Wing Libertarian.

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#18  Edited By Pibo47

Gahhh. I dont think i fit on here, but i am a libertarian.

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#19  Edited By torus
@EdIsCool:  
 
I would prefer that everyone would accept me as the Ultimate Judicator of the Universe, but we can't have everything our way :)
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#20  Edited By Suicrat
@torus said:
" I hope we can get maximum participation on this poll- without a large sample size, it's meaningless. "
It's meaningless because the difference between "Left" and "Right" is how arrogant (or naive, depending on your perspective) you are about the effectiveness of unilateral management of resources. The further to the left you are, the more you embrace it, the further to the right you are, the more you are skeptical of it. That is a superficial aspect of politics.
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#21  Edited By torus
@Suicrat:  
 
Believe it or not, the terms 'left' and 'right' come with, in their social context, a fairly regular set of beliefs and values. As I already said, this poll is not meant to be comprehensive- it is meant to be generalized, and, statistically speaking, those accessory values are statistically significant enough for your pedantic definitions not to matter.
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#23  Edited By woodtsunami

im a liberal libertarian. my beliefs are kinda fubar but i will try to explain em:
first and foremost i believe that society should live in a form of communism called anarchy communism. look it up on wikipedia. however, in current capitalist society i believe we must follow the purest form of capitalism or not follow capitalism at all, none of this bullshit psuedo-socialism. im as far left as it goes on social issues in our current form of society, and i suppose pretty far right on the economy. BUT i have DEEP DEEP underlying far-left beliefs so i call myself a liberal libertarian.

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#24  Edited By EdIsCool
@Suicrat said:
" @torus said:
" I hope we can get maximum participation on this poll- without a large sample size, it's meaningless. "
It's meaningless because the difference between "Left" and "Right" is how arrogant (or naive, depending on your perspective) you are about the effectiveness of unilateral management of resources. The further to the left you are, the more you embrace it, the further to the right you are, the more you are skeptical of it. That is a superficial aspect of politics. "
you keep saying this people will not give 30,000 euro to the government if they dont have to, people are charitable at the 5 quid a month level not the 30,000 euro a year level.Hence the government must force them to give the money as privatision of healthcare,education,police forces would be a disaster.As they are businesses they would try to make a profit whch would negatively affect quality of service in these vital areas.
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#25  Edited By alsnuts2

Not saying one is right or wrong I just have an inclination that this website will lean pretty heavily to the left.
 
just a prediction

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#26  Edited By Suicrat

I am not trying to be pedantic, torus (if it comes off that way, I apologize). I am simply trying to illustrate that the supposed left-right polarity is a red herring, and doesn't refer to much that is concrete.
 
It would be like saying that there is a genuine conflict between Coca-Cola and Pepsi. Both companies express the belief that high-fructose, high-caffeine beverages are sources of value, but together represent a false dichotomy.

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#27  Edited By torus
@Suicrat: 
 
Please refer to my previous post- a strict interpretation of the terms is not what I'm trying to survey. The point of the survey is to get a picture of people's politics based on the (correct) assumption that, statistically speaking, people who identify with right and left will have a fairly regular set of accessory value systems; which is why the poll is in fact legitimate, irrespective of the technical accuracy of the graph.
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#28  Edited By Stang

According to the test, which I take with a grain of salt, I am just barely libertarian right. Ron Paul for President 2012!

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#29  Edited By Suicrat
@torus: Certainly, in that sense, it does refer to a demographic distribution of preferences. I am sorry to have disrupted your thread. Forgive me for not responding to the poll question however, on principle.
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#30  Edited By torus
@Suicrat:  I'm glad we understand each other. 
 
@alsnuts2: This is completely unscientific, but I have noticed from experience that communities with a specialized interest and a technically-inclined userbase tends towards the left on average. I don't know why for certain, although it interests me a great deal.
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#31  Edited By TyphoonSwell

Why isn't there a "F politics" choice? I shall create it!
 
[F Politics, in all forms.] <----click.
 
There!

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#33  Edited By EdIsCool

Because you havent started a political party to campaign for an end to politics.....
You cant complain about pretty much anything unless you have an interest  in politics or at least vote.

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#34  Edited By torus
@TyphoonSwell: Because the poll is less about 'politics' in the sense of a political beaurocracy, and more about your value system with regard to society (although there often is some overlap). 
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#35  Edited By Diamond

My political values don't mesh well with a chart like this.  I'm both right and left [and that DOESN'T mean I'm centrist], economically authoritarian, but not very economically libertarian at all (because it's as dumb as full communism).

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#36  Edited By TyphoonSwell
@torus: Exploration, experimentation, exploration, EX-planation! 
 
Kinda like that, right?
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#37  Edited By auspiciousqueue

-2.75, -2.21 So essentially LIbertarian Left. Hanging out next to Ghandi... sweet.

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#38  Edited By Jimbo

I think the questions on this test are skewed left and badly worded.  The only way to give a right wing answer is to admit you enjoy killing puppies with acid or something.

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#39  Edited By super_machine
@Benjaminvdv said:
" @super_machine said:
" I'm a centrist left. I don't Identify myself with either democrat or republican, but I lean more liberal than conservative. I find a lot of conservative ideas tend to be based on irrationality and fear mongering. "
So you're right winged. Leaning more towards the right winged democrats rather then the far right winged republicans doesn't make you left winged.  Anyway I'm a socialist. "
In reality, I'm a social anarchist. But saying I want to see the destruction of organized human society isn't exactly PC.
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#40  Edited By Suicrat
@torus said:

" @TyphoonSwell: Because the poll is less about 'politics' in the sense of a political beaurocracy, and more about your value system with regard to society (although there often is some overlap).  "

Now that is a little unfair and a little untrue as well.
 
Two people might value a more accessible healthcare system to a wider array of people. But the person on the left will favour an increase in intervention, an increase in coercion in order to achieve it. Whereas the person on the right will share the value of a more widely-available healthcare system, but recognizes that production is the source of the value of healthcare, and will be opposed to an increase in intervention and an increase in coercion in order to achieve it.
 
What I'm trying to say is that aligning political graphs in such a way will always make the person on the left seem the more noble, because they seem more willing to make sacrifices to achieve the same objective as a person on the right, who realizes sacrifice is no way to go about achieving anything of value.
 
 
Again, I apologize for disrupting the thread. Feel free to flag this, but I had to use your example to draw out my earlier point.
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#41  Edited By RsistncE

What the fuck man, people like you are going to devolve Giantbomb into a stupid pseudo-political science argument forum. I refuse to participate in this....
 
I think I'm authoritarian left hahaha
 
EDIT: I was wrong, I'm actually Libertarian Left, like Gandhi. Surprise, Surprise. At least I'm as far away as possible from fascist fucks like Hitler and Stalin :D

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#42  Edited By deaux

Lefty libertarian.

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#43  Edited By dethfish

I hate politics. I want that option.

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#44  Edited By Bruce

None.
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#45  Edited By torus
@Diamond: That's a valid point.  
 
@Suicrat:
 I would argue that this is exactly why the graph is co-axial. The two hypothetical people you describe would be (respectively) authoritarian left and libertarian right. This isn't a line graph, and those aren't the only options. Also, I don't think it's the graph that is making the leftist viewpoint seem more noble. It is your definition of noble that is doing that. I would also contest the claim that leftism promotes sacrifice as way of achieving things- where did that come from?
 
I think your bias is showing ;)
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#46  Edited By Suicrat
@torus: Taxation isn't production, it's theft, and it's arbitrarily defined.
 
Taking something from someone and providing him less in return is a form of sacrifice.
 
How does that relate to two (basic) differences in conceptualizing the achievement of values?
 
Person 1 has X, Y, and wants Z from Person C
Person 2 has X, but wants Y in order to obtain Z
Person 3 has Z

Person 1 uses his Y in order to obtain Z
Person 2 uses A's Y in order to obtain Z
 
Person 2 therefore sacrifices Person 1's Y, and gives it to 3 for Z
Person 1, on the other hand, trades Y to 3 in exchange for Z.
 
Let's apply this to healthcare.
 
Person 1 has food, disposable income, and wants healthcare
Person 2 has food, no disposable income, and wants healthcare
Person 3 is a producer of healthcare
 
Person 2 takes disposable income from Person 1 in order to obtain healthcare
Person 1 trades part of his disposable income to Person 3 in exchange for his healthcare.
 
This is the difference.
 
And yes, my bias in opposition to theft is showing. I will never hide it.
 
And no, it isn't the graph that makes sacrifice seem noble, it's the morality of altruism that does.
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#47  Edited By karneh

 All ideas in congress start with a Democrat standing up and shouting "I have a really bad idea!" then the Republican stands up and goes "And I'm going to make it shittier!"

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#48  Edited By torus
@Suicrat:  
 
The fundamental problem with that 'logic' as I see it is that it ideas of a social contract and (as you said) a belief in the importance of altruism. Both of those things are rejected by strong libertarians, especially on the right. "Theft" is only as you are defining it. A liberal would make the claim that,  in order for a person to be a member of a functional society, he must accept a social contract that comes with certain responsibilities which keep the society functional and healthy, and in turn, the society or the 'state' has responsibilities towards it's citizens. For a liberal who believes in the value of altruism, social programs are the logical extension of this idea- the 'healthiness' of a society's members takes precedent over other more nebulous ideas, like the free market, etc. According to my hypothetical liberal (who happens to be the majority of liberals), taxes are not theft- you agree to them when you agree to be part of the society— and since he believes in altruism, social programs which help disadvantaged people are ethical.


At this point I would like to make two points that I think are important to the discussion. The first is altruism. From what I have read and observed, the evidence points to an evolutionary basis for an altruistic morality. Personally, I don't think there is any transcendental or metaphysical basis for morality. I do, however, think that altruism is hardwired into us, whether we like it or not- and a functional societal construct has to take this into account.


The second is that people are not born equal- financially, physically, societally. If one accepts any kind of altruistic morality, it only follows that social programs make sense.

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#49  Edited By Disease
@Benjaminvdv: @Benjaminvdv said:
" @super_machine said:
" I'm a centrist left. I don't Identify myself with either democrat or republican, but I lean more liberal than conservative. I find a lot of conservative ideas tend to be based on irrationality and fear mongering. "
So you're right winged. Leaning more towards the right winged democrats rather then the far right winged republicans doesn't make you left winged.  Anyway I'm a socialist. "
Hey, I'm a socialist too. :)
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#50  Edited By torus

This poll is heavily leaning to the left... although it still has less than 70 votes. How many people are on Giantbomb? :D This must be less than 1 percent of GB users.