Alright, so this is the first of a new blog series I'm going to be doing. Each blog post will be called "The Case Against [Insert President Here]".
The Case Against Thomas Jefferson
Edited By lilburtonboy7489
My goal is to show how so many presidents which people admire, really weren't as great as they seem. Of course, I'll be writing these posts from a liberty first perspective, so like everything else it will be very biased. However, I won't go on rants or make up random facts to help me case. I'll just do short snippets of facts which I will use to show how they hurt our nation and restrained our liberties.
1. Thomas Jefferson
Many libertarians adore Thomas Jefferson. Why not? There are hundreds of libertarian friendly quotes you can pull from his essays and letters. But did he act upon these sound principles when he was given the power?
Here are some reasons why Thomas Jefferson should be considered a bad president:
- Illegally spent a massive amount of money.
Jefferson was responsible for the Louisiana Purchase. By way of executive order, Jefferson authorized this purchase without congressional approval. As Jefferson stated himself on the matter, he "stretched the Constitution till it cracked". This set a bad precedent by an executive using his power which was in no possible way enumerated in the Constitution.
Another point to be made on this, was that Jefferson didn't pay the indians for the territory, instead, he paid for France's illigitimate claim to this land which was in reality owned by the indians. As a result, American settlers ruched into the new territory and killed any who stood their ground and forced countless more to be pushed farther out of their land. Also, Jefferson had no problem with condoning slavery in the newly expanded territories.
- Jefferson nearly destroyed out economy and forced some into hunger.
In 1807, Jefferson created a policy which ended all foreign trade. Jefferson's embargo caused an 80% decrease in exports and massive unemployment soon followed. It was so awful, that people were literally starving. This is perhaps the only time in the US where people were forced into starvation solely because of a government policy.
- Martial Law?
Jefferson obsessed over this embargo. The attempt to stop all smuggling of exports and imports became so insistent that people were searched, arrested, and imprisoned without any arrest warrants. Boats, carts, and even individuals on the roads were subject to these unconstitutional searches and arrests.
- Was not a fan of free speech.
Jefferson was not scared to use lawsuits against people he didn't like. When newspapers would write unfavorable (and usually true) things about him, he would attempt to sue for libel.
- Wanted to "domesticate" indians.
Although not alone in his time, Jefferson thought very little of indians. He believed that if indians would not assimilate and accept white culture, they should be "moved" to empty land. He believed they should be continually pushed westward, which makes you wonder what he believes should happen when they hit the pacific.
- Slave Owner
People usually try to cover this up and say that he did not own slaves. You can call them whatever you want, but he paid for humans. They were his property.
While Jefferson had lots of good things to say, his actions were inconsisent with his thoughts. No libertarian, even no human, should ever think Thomas Jefferson was a good president. His curtailing of civil rights, his expansive and illegal government purchase of western territories, and his blatant disregard for basic human rights should automatically disregard any admiration for him.
Alright, so this is the first of a new blog series I'm going to be doing. Each blog post will be called "The Case Against [Insert President Here]".
My goal is to show how so many presidents which people admire, really weren't as great as they seem. Of course, I'll be writing these posts from a liberty first perspective, so like everything else it will be very biased. However, I won't go on rants or make up random facts to help me case. I'll just do short snippets of facts which I will use to show how they hurt our nation and restrained our liberties.
1. Thomas Jefferson
Many libertarians adore Thomas Jefferson. Why not? There are hundreds of libertarian friendly quotes you can pull from his essays and letters. But did he act upon these sound principles when he was given the power?
Here are some reasons why Thomas Jefferson should be considered a bad president:
- Illegally spent a massive amount of money.
Jefferson was responsible for the Louisiana Purchase. By way of executive order, Jefferson authorized this purchase without congressional approval. As Jefferson stated himself on the matter, he "stretched the Constitution till it cracked". This set a bad precedent by an executive using his power which was in no possible way enumerated in the Constitution.
Another point to be made on this, was that Jefferson didn't pay the indians for the territory, instead, he paid for France's illigitimate claim to this land which was in reality owned by the indians. As a result, American settlers ruched into the new territory and killed any who stood their ground and forced countless more to be pushed farther out of their land. Also, Jefferson had no problem with condoning slavery in the newly expanded territories.
- Jefferson nearly destroyed out economy and forced some into hunger.
In 1807, Jefferson created a policy which ended all foreign trade. Jefferson's embargo caused an 80% decrease in exports and massive unemployment soon followed. It was so awful, that people were literally starving. This is perhaps the only time in the US where people were forced into starvation solely because of a government policy.
- Martial Law?
Jefferson obsessed over this embargo. The attempt to stop all smuggling of exports and imports became so insistent that people were searched, arrested, and imprisoned without any arrest warrants. Boats, carts, and even individuals on the roads were subject to these unconstitutional searches and arrests.
- Was not a fan of free speech.
Jefferson was not scared to use lawsuits against people he didn't like. When newspapers would write unfavorable (and usually true) things about him, he would attempt to sue for libel.
- Wanted to "domesticate" indians.
Although not alone in his time, Jefferson thought very little of indians. He believed that if indians would not assimilate and accept white culture, they should be "moved" to empty land. He believed they should be continually pushed westward, which makes you wonder what he believes should happen when they hit the pacific.
- Slave Owner
People usually try to cover this up and say that he did not own slaves. You can call them whatever you want, but he paid for humans. They were his property.
While Jefferson had lots of good things to say, his actions were inconsisent with his thoughts. No libertarian, even no human, should ever think Thomas Jefferson was a good president. His curtailing of civil rights, his expansive and illegal government purchase of western territories, and his blatant disregard for basic human rights should automatically disregard any admiration for him.
The extent of my knowledge of Jefferson is that the Jefferson memorial is the place for project purity in fallout 3. Oh, and I know he was a president.
That's it.
ZOMG! You mean to tell me that the THIRD President this country ever had might not have been the greatest thing since sliced bread? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
I suggest that, next week, you do either Bill Clinton or JFK. I'd be interested to see how you fair taking on those two. Hell, try LBJ. There is no way I can try to fault the first five Presidents in this nation, as they were still trying to figure out what the fuck our country was supposed to be!
"There are hundreds of libertarian friendly quotes you can pull from his essays and letters. But did he act upon these sound principles when he was given the power?"
There are so many ways I can bask in the delicious glory of this statement (A statement that perfectly describes human nature), but I'll ignore it and keep my dumbass opinions to myself.
" @KaosAngel: what the hell is wrong with you that better be a joke "Given that this is him on the left here, I think he's half-joking, at least.
" ZOMG! You mean to tell me that the THIRD President this country ever had might not have been the greatest thing since sliced bread? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!Well, maybe not LBJ. The great irony about him was that he was a racist that actually signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Among other things he did). We already of know the horrible things he did (Escalates in number). So the case against him would be pointless because he had the positive impact in America.I suggest that, next week, you do either Bill Clinton or JFK. I'd be interested to see how you fair taking on those two. Hell, try LBJ. There is no way I can try to fault the first five Presidents in this nation, as they were still trying to figure out what the fuck our country was supposed to be!"
" @Banjo_ace said:Yeah, I'm Middle Eastern...it's a crazy habit of mine to make fun of them though. Which I have all the right to do. White people make fun of white people, blacks make fun of blacks, and Arabs make fun of Arabs. I push my jokes to the limit and remind everyone of the 200,000 Americans who died on September 11, 2001. Those 200,000 Americans would be here on Giant Bomb if it wasn't for Middle Eastern people. Can't say I'm wrong...because the people who attacked the Empire State Building were all from the sand countries." @KaosAngel: what the hell is wrong with you that better be a joke "Given that this is him on the left here, I think he's half-joking, at least."
" @Jayge said:Were you born this stupid or did you work hard at it?" @Banjo_ace said:Yeah, I'm Middle Eastern...it's a crazy habit of mine to make fun of them though. Which I have all the right to do. White people make fun of white people, blacks make fun of blacks, and Arabs make fun of Arabs. I push my jokes to the limit and remind everyone of the 200,000 Americans who died on September 11, 2001. Those 200,000 Americans would be here on Giant Bomb if it wasn't for Middle Eastern people. Can't say I'm wrong...because the people who attacked the Empire State Building were all from the sand countries. "" @KaosAngel: what the hell is wrong with you that better be a joke "Given that this is him on the left here, I think he's half-joking, at least."
" Thomas Jefferson was a dick, but he was pretty badass when he beat the shit out of the guy who tried to kill him. "Are you thinking of Andrew Jackson? He was the one who used his cane to beat the shit out of a guy who tried to kill him. Jackson was awesome, minus the whole Native American stuff.
" @Sabata: I take it you don't watch the Colbert Report often...and must be new to sarcasm. Truth is, like most white people...I'm scared of Middle Eastern people. Is that a crime? I lost a friend to 9/11, and it pisses me off what a bunch of extremest did to my heritage's image in America. "The fact that you're trolling badly doesn't make you any less stupid. The difference between you and Colbert is that he's actually funny when he spouts over the top shit.
" @KaosAngel said:I'm sorry are you a minority that was harassed the hell out of in HS cause of 9/11? Did you feel ashamed of your religion while others mocked it while you fasted in front of a school? Good times kid. I've learned to better myself, hence why I'm here in Tokyo living my dream. Take a joke kid...if you aren't Arab and haven't been to the Middle East you have no right to complain." @Sabata: I take it you don't watch the Colbert Report often...and must be new to sarcasm. Truth is, like most white people...I'm scared of Middle Eastern people. Is that a crime? I lost a friend to 9/11, and it pisses me off what a bunch of extremest did to my heritage's image in America. "The fact that you're trolling badly doesn't make you any less stupid. The difference between you and Colbert is that he's actually funny when he spouts over the top shit. "
" @Sabata said:Fuck, yeah, that's the one, I had a feeling I had gotten 'em mixed up." Thomas Jefferson was a dick, but he was pretty badass when he beat the shit out of the guy who tried to kill him. "Are you thinking of Andrew Jackson? He was the one who used his cane to beat the shit out of a guy who tried to kill him. Jackson was awesome, minus the whole Native American stuff. "
@KaosAngel said:
" @Sabata said:I am not Muslim nor am I Middle Eastern, simply calling you out on your bad trolling. But I am glad you are living your otaku dream in glorious nippon, good for you!" @KaosAngel said:I'm sorry are you a minority that was harassed the hell out of in HS cause of 9/11? Did you feel ashamed of your religion while others mocked it while you fasted in front of a school? Good times kid. I've learned to better myself, hence why I'm here in Tokyo living my dream. Take a joke kid...if you aren't Arab and haven't been to the Middle East you have no right to complain. "" @Sabata: I take it you don't watch the Colbert Report often...and must be new to sarcasm. Truth is, like most white people...I'm scared of Middle Eastern people. Is that a crime? I lost a friend to 9/11, and it pisses me off what a bunch of extremest did to my heritage's image in America. "The fact that you're trolling badly doesn't make you any less stupid. The difference between you and Colbert is that he's actually funny when he spouts over the top shit. "
You have no idea what it's like to be Muslim nor what it's like to be a Middle Eastern American in a post-9/11 world. This isn't trolling, it's shedding light on what's wrong with America and what's wrong with my culture. Until there's some sort of progression, I will side with white folks and be scared shitless of anyone from the Middle East.
" ZOMG! You mean to tell me that the THIRD President this country ever had might not have been the greatest thing since sliced bread? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!I chose him because there are more misconceptions surrounding his presidency than nearly any other president. Also, the fact that so many limited government folk get hard off of Jefferson also was part of the reason I chose him first.I suggest that, next week, you do either Bill Clinton or JFK. I'd be interested to see how you fair taking on those two. Hell, try LBJ. There is no way I can try to fault the first five Presidents in this nation, as they were still trying to figure out what the fuck our country was supposed to be!"
Next week, I either want to do the case against Reagan, Truman, Lincoln, or one of the Roosevelts.
" @Origina1Penguin said:Aaron Burr is way more of a badass. Hamilton just said that Burr didn't have principles, so Burr shot that fucktard in the gut in a duel. That's even more awesome because the guy just made fun of him, he didn't even try to kill him." @Sabata said:Fuck, yeah, that's the one, I had a feeling I had gotten 'em mixed up." Thomas Jefferson was a dick, but he was pretty badass when he beat the shit out of the guy who tried to kill him. "Are you thinking of Andrew Jackson? He was the one who used his cane to beat the shit out of a guy who tried to kill him. Jackson was awesome, minus the whole Native American stuff. "
" @Sabata: Then you have no right to complain. Do you see this is what's wrong with the American social system. I'm going to assume you aren't a minority, which I will then assume you don't have to go though half the crap most minorities Americans have to go through. Also, I'm in no way an otaku...I've fought against them. As seen in the DQ9 protest. I hate otaku kids. They scare the living shit out of me. You have no idea what it's like to be Muslim nor what it's like to be a Middle Eastern American in a post-9/11 world. This isn't trolling, it's shedding light on what's wrong with America and what's wrong with my culture. Until there's some sort of progression, I will side with white folks and be scared shitless of anyone from the Middle East. "So in other words, you're an idiot? You plan to fight against oppresion and prejudice by completely agreeing with it?
Oh, and of course you're not an otaku. You wouldn't be caught dead talking to those baka gaijins! Who knows what they would do to your super kawaii Japanese waifu.
"I Kaos Angel, love white people and support them. I agree with the white folks that FOX News it the greatest news source and Middle Eastern people should be under watch for the 300,000+ Americans killed in the attack of September 11, 2001 (the worst massacre of humans in the history of man after WW2). I feel the pain of all those soldiers who died fighting sand people who don't want our freedom. I voted for President Dick Cheney not once but twice to throw water on a couple of terrorists. I love white people and I don't support terrorism, I love Sabata and think he's the best white folk around. I love America and I hate terrorists. Dragon Quest sucks."
" @Jayge said:"...because the people who attacked the Empire State Building were all from the sand countries."" @Banjo_ace said:Yeah, I'm Middle Eastern...it's a crazy habit of mine to make fun of them though. Which I have all the right to do. White people make fun of white people, blacks make fun of blacks, and Arabs make fun of Arabs. I push my jokes to the limit and remind everyone of the 200,000 Americans who died on September 11, 2001. Those 200,000 Americans would be here on Giant Bomb if it wasn't for Middle Eastern people. Can't say I'm wrong...because the people who attacked the Empire State Building were all from the sand countries. "" @KaosAngel: what the hell is wrong with you that better be a joke "Given that this is him on the left here, I think he's half-joking, at least."
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but when was the Empire State Building attacked?
" @natetodamax: Didn't King Kong attack it back in the 30s and then in the 2000s? "You said the people "from the sand countries" attacked it, not some large ape from Skull Island
" @Sabata: Sure why not. I'll be on record to say this, "I Kaos Angel, love white people and support them. I agree with the white folks that FOX News it the greatest news source and Middle Eastern people should be under watch for the 300,000+ Americans killed in the attack of September 11, 2001 (the worst massacre of humans in the history of man after WW2). I feel the pain of all those soldiers who died fighting sand people who don't want our freedom. I voted for President Dick Cheney not once but twice to throw water on a couple of terrorists. I love white people and I don't support terrorism, I love Sabata and think he's the best white folk around. I love America and I hate terrorists. Dragon Quest sucks." "So I guess that's a yes to the "are you stupid?" question. I'm not white by the way, don't know where you got that idea.
" @KaosAngel said:Can you not see he is joking? If you're not Caucasian, than what are you. I live in the South / US and being white let me tell you. If an extremist group took over my government, I would be afraid. The KKK in control of my county, my state, my government. Scary stuff." @Sabata: Sure why not. I'll be on record to say this, "I Kaos Angel, love white people and support them. I agree with the white folks that FOX News it the greatest news source and Middle Eastern people should be under watch for the 300,000+ Americans killed in the attack of September 11, 2001 (the worst massacre of humans in the history of man after WW2). I feel the pain of all those soldiers who died fighting sand people who don't want our freedom. I voted for President Dick Cheney not once but twice to throw water on a couple of terrorists. I love white people and I don't support terrorism, I love Sabata and think he's the best white folk around. I love America and I hate terrorists. Dragon Quest sucks." "So I guess that's a yes to the "are you stupid?" question. I'm not white by the way, don't know where you got that idea. "
" @Sabata said:Again, whether he's trolling or serious he is incredibly stupid. And I'm Cuban. Before you jump to any conclusions, no, I do not support Communism and no, I cannot get you and Cuban cigars." @KaosAngel said:Can you not see he is joking? If you're not Caucasian, than what are you. I live in the South / US and being white let me tell you. If an extremist group took over my government, I would be afraid. The KKK in control of my county, my state, my government. Scary stuff. "" @Sabata: Sure why not. I'll be on record to say this, "I Kaos Angel, love white people and support them. I agree with the white folks that FOX News it the greatest news source and Middle Eastern people should be under watch for the 300,000+ Americans killed in the attack of September 11, 2001 (the worst massacre of humans in the history of man after WW2). I feel the pain of all those soldiers who died fighting sand people who don't want our freedom. I voted for President Dick Cheney not once but twice to throw water on a couple of terrorists. I love white people and I don't support terrorism, I love Sabata and think he's the best white folk around. I love America and I hate terrorists. Dragon Quest sucks." "So I guess that's a yes to the "are you stupid?" question. I'm not white by the way, don't know where you got that idea. "
" @KaosAngel said:It was an attempt at humor, nothing more. ;) I though people would have understood he was joking when he first said 200k people died..." @Jayge said:"...because the people who attacked the Empire State Building were all from the sand countries."Perhaps I'm missing something here, but when was the Empire State Building attacked? "" @Banjo_ace said:Yeah, I'm Middle Eastern...it's a crazy habit of mine to make fun of them though. Which I have all the right to do. White people make fun of white people, blacks make fun of blacks, and Arabs make fun of Arabs. I push my jokes to the limit and remind everyone of the 200,000 Americans who died on September 11, 2001. Those 200,000 Americans would be here on Giant Bomb if it wasn't for Middle Eastern people. Can't say I'm wrong...because the people who attacked the Empire State Building were all from the sand countries. "" @KaosAngel: what the hell is wrong with you that better be a joke "Given that this is him on the left here, I think he's half-joking, at least."
" @lilburtonboy7489 said:I'll settle for that" Ugh, you guys hijacked my topic! "Sorry...I'll make it up to you buy getting a cute girl to hold a sign that says "lilburtonboy7489 is awesome". "
" @lilburtonboy7489: Some really interesting insight there, Burt. I too grow tired of the tendency to romanticize politicians of the past. Though I look forward to when your blog series pulls into the post-Civil-War period. (Not that I won't read the interim posts...) "Yea, people tend to romanticize people that hold power, even when they use it for harm...which they usually do.
And don't worry, I'm not doing this chronologically. The next one will be someone in the last 50 years. I'll be skipping all over the place.
" Non-gaming discussion in a gaming forum - this will work. "Welcome to the Off-Topic forum!
" politics suck "This isn't political necessarily...more historical.
@Out_On_Bail said:
" Interesting thread, I'd enjoy reading some more.There's a lot more coming
"
Gulf of Tonkin incident for the loss! (Literally, sadly...)
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