@melcene said:
Sorry but even in an ideal society people would have to work. If NO ONE worked, where the fuck would food come from? Someone's gotta tend the fields, plant and harvest the crops. How would people become educated? Someone's gotta teach our young. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately your little idealistic view of how the world should be is also completely unrealistic.No, McDonald's exists because somebody can make a profit off it and I truly believe we'd be better off without it as a species. There's nothing wrong with others working harder than others to improve the the quality of life of all people, although they should be rewarded accordingly. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to sustain a livelihood even when they don't feel they can contribute to society in any quantifyiably meaningful way. We all contribute to society in some way.
Clearly, you expect people to have to keep on working forever and not be replaced by machines at some point in virtually every walk of life.
You're right... people shouldn't have to work. But I shouldn't have to pay for them to not work and still manage to live as good as or better than people who DO work.
People live better not working than those who do? In what fucking country? Not where I'm from, at least. But that's beside the point. You shouldn't have to "pay" for them, because you shouldn't be "paid" to do a job in the first place. Money is completely unnecessary. But I wouldn't mind doing things selflessly, we're all in this together, and we'd do well to remember that.
This isn't about "people who are incapable of contributing to society" working "at some shitty job just to improve the quality of life of their self-appointed betters." This is about people who REFUSE to contribute to society getting off their ass to work at some shitty job because THEY are the ones that decided to pop out a few kids and then expect the rest of us to take care of them and their kids.
Working at some shitty job isn't necessarily "contributing" to society, in my eyes at least. If you can't do an actually useful job for whatever reason (intellectually incapable or just lack the perseverence) then I think it's better to do nothing. I certainly never talked about people having kids, but reproduction is the ultimate and only goal of life, so nothing to scoff at.
There IS something wrong with being lazy - it means that you expect to live off the fruits of others. If people want to be unachieving or uncompetitive that's their problem, and that's why jobs like McDonalds exist. But laziness is not something that should just be excused. "
I don't understand how you're sick of someone living off "your" money, because frankly the thought of owning anything in this world is ridiculous.
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