We know Sony is working at a PS2 emulator, because they had the emulated BC in the 80s out way too quickly for it to be a post launch development. That means that PS2 emulation has a dedicated team of developers that are already paid for, so PS2 emulation doesn't actually cost Sony any money at all. Its being developed by people already on salary. 

 "

Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough, although this is just speculation. 

Ahh now I see what you're saying, I read "80s" and thought the decade...

Those 80gbs used combo Hardware/software. 

I can't speculate as to sony's internal costs, but developing emu for the PS2 is something no one has been able to do yet w/ much success.  The PS2 emu for the PC is slow, buggy and all over the place.  The pS2 hardware design was a bit complex.

I would love for it to happen.  Remember when everyone thought that PS2 games would be easily emu'd on the PSP?

"THE PS3 is FUTUER PROOF!  1080p games at 60fps!!!!  oh wait, they meant 1 game will be 1080p 60fps, gran turismo 5 and every other game will be 600p 26fps and tons of jaggies"

A patch would be nice, except if you are like me, who bought one of those super-cool MGS4 bundles which has the backwards compatibility.

"Hexpane said:

"THE PS3 is FUTUER PROOF!  1080p games at 60fps!!!!  oh wait, they meant 1 game will be 1080p 60fps, gran turismo 5 and every other game will be 600p 26fps and tons of jaggies"

And they delivered. It is now up to the developers to choose which games they want to release using those specifications... Also PS3 has a ton more games at native 1080P then the 360 does, so if that's what you were hinting at, then maybe you need to get your facts straight.

"

Apparently there IS a working PS2 emulator out on the PS3.

http://threespeech.com/blog/2008/12/exciting-news-on-singstar-backwards-compatbility/

Granted nobody wants to play Singstar, this proves that they are capable of doing it. But as others have said, there's no economic benefit to doing so. I could forsee a day where PS2 games are sold via PSN to cover the costs of developing an emulator (and generally coding an emulator to one game is easier since the issue of compatability is basically gone). Perhaps they could even sell, for a significantly smaller fee, just the emulator for people who have the discs, but I'm being really hopeful there.

I would rather pay for the emulation software itself rather than re-buying games I already have, having them on the HDD taking up space with the physical copy sitting on the shelf. Since the 40GB model can already detect PS2 software (try it yourself if you don't believe me), so the software is perfectly viable.

"Apparently there IS a working PS2 emulator out on the PS3.

http://threespeech.com/blog/2008/12/exciting-news-on-singstar-backwards-compatbility/

Granted nobody wants to play Singstar, this proves that they are capable of doing it. But as others have said, there's no economic benefit to doing so. I could forsee a day where PS2 games are sold via PSN to cover the costs of developing an emulator (and generally coding an emulator to one game is easier since the issue of compatability is basically gone). Perhaps they could even sell, for a significantly smaller fee, just the emulator for people who have the discs, but I'm being really hopeful there."

Anyhoo, Singstar is just FMV of the music videos with menus and lyrics. I don't think it really needs the full PS2 hardware as other games does.

"AaronBelfast said:

"The 80gb version got patched for BC, so it's possible for the 40gb, who knows."

The 80gigger wasn't patched, it had it from the get-go. They emulated the PS2 CPU (Emotion Engine), but it still had the PS2 GPU (Graphics Synthesizer) chip in there. In the 40gigger and later models, they removed the GPU and have yet to replace it with a software solution. Removing the chips saved them on the manufacturing cost per unit (lessening the amount of money they lost on each console sold).

20s and 60g had both chips along with the software PS1 emulation carried over and improved from the PStwo, which is better than the hardware backwards compatibility on the fat PS2 if for no other reason than it supported motherfucking Tomba. Word."

If it happens it won't be perfect since it will be software emulation

HA!
I had an Xbox!
No PS2 games for me!

"HA!
I had an Xbox!
No PS2 games for me!"

I REALLY want that to happen

Someone is trying to sell me the first US 60gb model, does anyone know if it can play ps2 and ps1 games with the upscaling and smoothing options? or they are 80gb features only?

"60gigger wins."

"Someone is trying to sell me the first US 60gb model, does anyone know if it can play ps2 and ps1 games with the upscaling and smoothing options? or they are 80gb features only?"

its not gonna happen people, they all ready have near complete software emulation of ps2 titles on ps3 systems they have to have certain hardware structures in the system for this to work though and it wont happen because.

1.sony sux at software.
2. sony will have to put even more money into R%D to figure it out
3.sony doesn't like making its consumers happy.

"Someone is trying to sell me the first US 60gb model, does anyone know if it can play ps2 and ps1 games with the upscaling and smoothing options? or they are 80gb features only?"

"Valkyr said:

"Someone is trying to sell me the first US 60gb model, does anyone know if it can play ps2 and ps1 games with the upscaling and smoothing options? or they are 80gb features only?"

The smooting and upscaling are bunk anyway.

The upscaling is the exact same, even WORSE than the upscaling in many HDTVs.  The "Smoothing" is horrible, it is NOT FSAA, it just "blurs" the overall image instead of FSAA sharp lines.  Only really average or bad looking games benefit w/ those options on.

The great looking PS2 games like God of War, RE4 or Gran Turismo etc.. all look far better 480p native.  Turning on 480p native mode in the game disables all upscaling from the PS3 anyway."

I just wanna play MGS2 and MGS3 again. oh and Alien Hominid.

Of course the PS3 can be patched to play PS2 games. If ePSXe can run on a modest machine, the engineers at Sony can very well make the monster that is the PS3 run PS2 games.

"Of course the PS3 can be patched to play PS2 games. If ePSXe can run on a modest machine, the engineers at Sony can very well make the monster that is the PS3 run PS2 games."

.....
Or you could have just bought a 60gb version!

"its not gonna happen people, they all ready have near complete software emulation of ps2 titles on ps3 systems they have to have certain hardware structures in the system for this to work though and it wont happen because.

1.sony sux at software.
2. sony will have to put even more money into R%D to figure it out
3.sony doesn't like making its consumers happy."

"Hexpane said:

"Valkyr said:

"Someone is trying to sell me the first US 60gb model, does anyone know if it can play ps2 and ps1 games with the upscaling and smoothing options? or they are 80gb features only?"

The smooting and upscaling are bunk anyway.

The upscaling is the exact same, even WORSE than the upscaling in many HDTVs.  The "Smoothing" is horrible, it is NOT FSAA, it just "blurs" the overall image instead of FSAA sharp lines.  Only really average or bad looking games benefit w/ those options on.

The great looking PS2 games like God of War, RE4 or Gran Turismo etc.. all look far better 480p native.  Turning on 480p native mode in the game disables all upscaling from the PS3 anyway."

I turned everything on including progressive scan, and it looked quite good actually.

"

Sony always brings features later on, so it will show up definitely.