Well, I kind of agree with the guy.  I love my PS3 as much as anyone, but I feel Sony has totally dropped the ball this holiday season.  I can't even begin to fathom why they've let Microsoft and Wii just have this holiday.  It's like they are not even trying to compete anymore, which scares me a bit for the future of the platform. 

I agree as well. How they came to the conclusion that making a 160gb bundle with Uncharted that costs $100 more was a good idea rather than packing LBP in with the 80gb I can't figure out. They really seem clueless in the current market. They have some good exclusives and some more good ones to come out in 2009 but until they get the price right it won't matter much.

I also love my ps3 but completely agree with what that guy had to say, i thought it was a very good article that really told it how it was. I bet a buncha people wont even read that article and go all "nah uh" and defensive cause of the topics title.

"I agree as well. How they came to the conclusion that making a 160gb bundle with Uncharted that costs $100 more was a good idea rather than packing LBP in with the 80gb I can't figure out.

Meh, what can you do. I'm personally happy with my system.

While I agree with the article and am in no way going to defend Sony's dreadful marketing and pricing decisions I have to admit, this slew of negative American press can't be helping the systems image in any way, shape or form.

The Playstation 3 has essentially become the media's pinata and while, I 100% agree Sony have made some mega stupid decisions I think you can put a positive spin on the sales.

Sony have sold more PS3's in it's first two years than Microsoft did 360's in their first two years. Microsoft were at 17.7 million after two years whereas Sony sit at 18.5 (I have links for those that need them). That's hardly unsuccessful. Also, the 360 is currently the absolute cheapest system on the market worldwide yet gets absolutely obliterated by the (now) more expensive Wii.

I think it's moderately positive that Sony are staying in touch with a system that's so expensive. You'd expect (Pachter style) that if the system ever did get a price drop it would gain a lot of ground.

Also, there was a reason Microsoft dropped their price so sharply in recent months, they have a real bomb-like attitude to business... Sony will continue to plod along with consistent growth, that will please them. Did anybody really expect Sony to come out closer to the XBOX in Novemeber when it's essentially half the price in an economic recession? I mean really?

What's good for Sony is that sales grew over the year of 2007 and while I entirely agree Microsoft are raping them in marketing terms I don't think it's game over for Sony.

Granted though, I'll say again, they should have done something to keep closer to the 360 this year. A budget sku perhaps with a 20gb HDD and no WiFi (but an ethernet cable instead) would be a good way to know $100 or so off the price. Of course it has to come with the right marketing strategy too, which Sony, sadly, seem very poor at these days.

Of course all this talk of sales is not stopping any of us from enjoying our games and, quite honestly, I'm getting bored of the business side of games. I just want to see God Of War 3 dammit.

sabataging

"hidys said:

sabataging

oh wow

He seems to be addressing the article from the viewpoint of a Blu-Ray player over a gaming console- They talk more about 1080p and Netflix, and only once mention the other consoles at all.

Honestly, I think this year has been better for Sony, but they seriously need to drop their price."

They will next year. 

He isn't dissing the PS3, he quite clearly says how much he loves the PS3. He is dissing Sony's marketing strategy.

"He isn't dissing the PS3, he quite clearly says how much he loves the PS3. He is dissing Sony's marketing strategy."

"get2sammyb said:

They will next year. 

Has this been confirmed or is this a rumour or speculation?
Because I'd love to buy a PS3 after I go to college, and it would be nice if it was cheaper.

And had backward compatibility. Seriously, Sony...."

"atejas said:

"get2sammyb said:

They will next year. 

Has this been confirmed or is this a rumour or speculation?
Because I'd love to buy a PS3 after I go to college, and it would be nice if it was cheaper.

And had backward compatibility. Seriously, Sony...."

It's more of an educated guess based upon rumour really. Word is it's going to drop price in March. Of course Sony aren't going to admit that because they'd shoot any Christmas sales they could have had in the foot.

"get2sammyb said:

"atejas said:

"get2sammyb said:

They will next year. 

Has this been confirmed or is this a rumour or speculation?
Because I'd love to buy a PS3 after I go to college, and it would be nice if it was cheaper.

And had backward compatibility. Seriously, Sony...."

It's more of an educated guess based upon rumour really. Word is it's going to drop price in March. Of course Sony aren't going to admit that because they'd shoot any Christmas sales they could have had in the foot.

I actually think they have confirmed the price drop. I think I remember reading something about it on gamespot. Too lazy to find a link right now though."

"Granted though, I'll say again, they should have done something to keep closer to the 360 this year. A budget sku perhaps with a 20gb HDD and no WiFi (but an ethernet cable instead) would be a good way to know $100 or so off the price. Of course it has to come with the right marketing strategy too, which Sony, sadly, seem very poor at these days."

Here's an interesting graph which shows sales in the US and Japan.

Sony cant sell its console for shit
Too bad, because its got some damn fine games

"Sony cant sell its console for shit
Too bad, because its got some damn fine games"

Here's an interesting graph which shows sales in the US and Japan.

"atejas said:

It's more of an educated guess based upon rumour really. Word is it's going to drop price in March. Of course Sony aren't going to admit that because they'd shoot any Christmas sales they could have had in the foot.

Here's an interesting graph which shows sales in the US and Japan.


Anyway, I fear I'm going to turn this into a flame thread, I just wanted to cement that Sony aren't actually doing that badly at all.

Having said that, I'll reiterate once again so as not to make myself look like a complete twonk -- Sony's marketing has been piss poor and they really need to get it spot on next year to compete with a system that's effectively half price."

I wouldn't call that a diss to the PS3. He was just talking about how Sony is completely disconnected from the consumer en masse.

I have read that issue 2 days ago, as I said before Sony lost 2008 but I hope  2009 would bring some changes with great exclusive titles .

Its all a matter of view point really.

SONY's marketing have more or less fucked up at the holidays and Microsoft had more less screwed them self over the other 3/4 of the year, but you have to remember the press always Considered the PS3 dead and 9/10 times it is going to be negative no matter what.

"Its all a matter of view point really.

SONY's marketing have more or less fucked up at the holidays and Microsoft had more less screwed them self over the other 3/4 of the year, but you have to remember the press always Considered the PS3 dead and 9/10 times it is going to be negative no matter what."

Actually the Positive streak was more of a Anomaly.

Before that it was all Doom and gloom then there came a few small articles about the PS3 maybe not sucking and now they are back to the doom and gloom.

I guess sony thinks everyone is made of money

"I guess sony thinks everyone is made of money

600$ was pushing it in the first place

"

I've owned every Sony console except for the pocketstation.   Any rational minded soul can see that the PS3 while technically their most feature rich console, is actually their worst overall product.  It's the most expensive, has the fewest games, the fewest good games, and the 3rd party games look worse on the PS3 than they do on the XBOX.

ALso if you've tried HOME, then you know what an epic PHAIL that service is.  HOME is so bad it's almost funny.  The best part is seeing people running around aimlessly in the lobby complaining about how "this is kinda boring"...
KINDA?  Standing in a virtual plaza with NO GAMEPLAY is "kinda boring" ROFL

"Hexpane said:

"I've owned every Sony console except for the pocketstation.   Any rational minded soul can see that the PS3 while technically their most feature rich console, is actually their worst overall product.  It's the most expensive, has the fewest games, the fewest good games, and the 3rd party games look worse on the PS3 than they do on the XBOX.

ALso if you've tried HOME, then you know what an epic PHAIL that service is.  HOME is so bad it's almost funny.  The best part is seeing people running around aimlessly in the lobby complaining about how "this is kinda boring"...
KINDA?  Standing in a virtual plaza with NO GAMEPLAY is "kinda boring" ROFL"

Why complain about HOME when its still in...

1.beta
2.and its free"

Sony's marketing strategy really needs to improve.  Right now both Microsoft and Sony need to be making key alliances with the cable companies so they can offer streaming content for either no additional cost or the same cost cable providers are charging.  Right now I don't need to pay for half the movies on XBL or PSN because it comes with the monthly fee I pay through my cable provider.  Microsoft looks to be heading that way with IPTV but still has a long way to go, however Sony looks to be taking steps back by protecting Blu-Ray.  A good example is of course Netflix, and I'm not talking about what is streamable to the Xbox but the actual HD content that you can stream period.  None of it is Sony.  Anything you can stream from Sony or one of its affiliates is all in standard definition, including Spider Man 3.  The only place you can get HD Sony content is on Blu Ray or on the PSN.

It can't be a diss if the article is based off of research and publicized facts.. 

"dcpc10 said:

"Hexpane said:

"I've owned every Sony console except for the pocketstation.   Any rational minded soul can see that the PS3 while technically their most feature rich console, is actually their worst overall product.  It's the most expensive, has the fewest games, the fewest good games, and the 3rd party games look worse on the PS3 than they do on the XBOX.

ALso if you've tried HOME, then you know what an epic PHAIL that service is.  HOME is so bad it's almost funny.  The best part is seeing people running around aimlessly in the lobby complaining about how "this is kinda boring"...
KINDA?  Standing in a virtual plaza with NO GAMEPLAY is "kinda boring" ROFL"

Why complain about HOME when its still in...

1.beta
2.and its free"

While your points are correct, Sony has spent a lot of time, effort, and money developing Home over the years.  All that time, effort, and money could have instead been used in different (and maybe better) ways.

"

"get2sammyb said:

"atejas said:

It's more of an educated guess based upon rumour really. Word is it's going to drop price in March. Of course Sony aren't going to admit that because they'd shoot any Christmas sales they could have had in the foot.

Here's an interesting graph which shows sales in the US and Japan.


Anyway, I fear I'm going to turn this into a flame thread, I just wanted to cement that Sony aren't actually doing that badly at all.

Having said that, I'll reiterate once again so as not to make myself look like a complete twonk -- Sony's marketing has been piss poor and they really need to get it spot on next year to compete with a system that's effectively half price."

I do wonder how though how the Japan stats bring down those in the US - I mean, for example the 360 sells fuck all in Japan - they're all mad for Nintendo anything, and MS have never been really able to break that market"