Ben_H

The blessing and curse of having a Family Video a couple blocks away meant that as a kid I could take advantage of their 2-for-1 Tuesdays promotion and rent two N64 games for $2. I definitely rented both of these. The curse of course being that I also ended up renting games like Superman 64, which I played for about 20 minutes before giving up. Even 8 year old me knew that game was complete garbage.

Oh yeah for sure. I'm in the same boat there. The extra day to day stuff they add in the main portion of the game both P5R and P4G is generally great but then they tack on that extra month and all of the content associated that feels out of place and awkward. Both of those games wrap up neatly but then have to be weirdly unwrapped to allow for the extra month. Though at least for P5R, the new social links actually fit well into the main game. For P4G, Marie doesn't fit in with the rest of the game at all. She's basically the Poochie of that game.

My beef with that solution was that it kind of sucked all of the challenge out of the last 40ish hours of Persona 5, which made much of that part really boring. You could so easily hit level 99 with everyone and have such ridiculous amounts of money that you could fuse the most broken personas possible. I think the thing that compounded it was that they chucked an entire new section of Mementos at you when it seemed pointless to and just added a few more hours of driving around holding the boost button looking for those flower petals.

Though that gets to my general gripe with both Persona 4 Golden and Persona 5 Royal in that they give you added content but none of it feels necessary and often it seems awkwardly shoe-horned into an already complete game. The various quality of life things added to both games were great but the extra content just didn't do anything for me. I think that's why I like this version of Persona 3 so much. It's just Persona 3, for better and worse, but with a bunch nice updates to make the game better to play and less repetitive day to day. If you go back to them, you notice immediately that Persona 3 and FES were extremely thin games material wise so it's not surprising to me that some folks also find P3R also kind of slow and thin on content since it is very faithful to the old games. I just happen to enjoy slow burn stories like the one in this game so it works well for me.

Question: did you leave your game idling a bunch or did you actually spend a bunch of time doing extremely optional stuff? If you actually did spend 25-35 hours doing a bunch of tertiary grinding for things that are only there for the top 1% of completionists then I can see why you might view the game as a slog. I did all of the typical side stuff (requests, s-links, party member cooking things, etc.), did a whole bunch of extra (probably unnecessary) grinding for items/money, and did a bunch of fusing that I probably didn't have to and still ended up at 90 hours (most folks I've talked to who aren't as completionist-y finished the game in 70-80 hours), which felt like a reasonable length for one of these games. If you follow how the game signposts things, the game's pacing makes a lot more sense.

But also, on the default difficulty this game is balanced like Persona 4 Golden and the Persona 5s in that you get so powerful at the end that gear kind of stops mattering to a certain degree. They dole out XP from bosses/mini-bosses such that by the time you hit the top of Tartarus, you're about level 85 and can comfortably fight the final boss with little to no extra levelling/grinding or fancier gear needed. In old Persona 3, you'd hit the top of Tartarus, be around level 70, then need to do 10+ hours of grinding to get above level 80 to even stand a reasonable chance against the final boss. I think P3R's combat levelling pacing setup is about perfect and a much better solution than P5R's solution of eventually allowing you to turbo the catbus through enemies in Mementos rather than fighting them normally, which let you break the game and rapidly get unlimited XP and money. This completely threw out any pretense that the combat and levelling actually mattered in P5R and felt like a lazy kludge fix meant to paper over the fact that Mementos was extremely boring and many hours too long for what it was.

Now I'm wondering if somebody high up at Embracer is a huge Garfield and Friends enthusiast. It would make everything that happened at that company make a lot more sense. Maybe Lars Wingefors secretly loves U.S. Acres.

Finally a relevant thread bump in this, the Year of Shadow the Hedgehog.

This popping up at the same time people are starting to see the video player problems return makes me think that a recent update to the site must have caused some type of regression to occur.

Yukari is basically OP in the back half of the game if you play your cards right and unlock all of her extra stuff. She was a permanent fixture in my party too. Though she always was in my party in P3 FES too because she was the only party member with actual good healing abilities in that game until the very end of the game. They really leaned into "Yukari is the party healer" in this version of the game.

Also yeah, the additions they made to the game helped a lot with making Junpei less insufferable. That also can be said of Ken.

This but also I get random French ads even though the part of Canada I'm from has only an extremely small subset of people who speak French beyond an extremely basic level, because apparently according to advertisers, "located in Canada" means that we all universally speak fluent English and French.

But on the main topic, yeah I've been hearing of this kind of thing happening a lot more recently in general for many podcasts I listen to. I'm not sure if it's advertisement buyers of certain types trying to game the system since they know their ad isn't desirable to be included on most podcasts (I would imagine tons of podcasts flag politics and gun ads as things to filter out of the potential ad pool), podcast providers relying too much on machine filtering to try to organize categories of ads, or some combo of the two, but this does seem to be happening a lot more the last year or two. Other podcasts I listen to have been running into this problem too.

I think the Persona 4 Endurance Run is probably up there. They started it partly as a joke and openly said it might only last a couple weeks (the name came from them wanting to see how much of the game they could endure before giving up). Then they unintentionally got way invested in it and completed the whole game, to the point that both Jeff and Vinny still make references to it from time to time (Jeff referenced the Endurance Run in the last week and still says "get bent" a lot. Vinny mentioned fusing episodes and the Endurance Run a bit ago when talking about viewership of their Cyberpunk playthrough).

The thing that gets tricky with this is that the overlap between Dan's jokes/bits/accidentally getting genuinely way into things he thought he didn't like and Gerstmann's jokes/bits/accidentally getting genuinely way into things he thought he didn't like is pretty big. Gerstmann starting Super Mario Bros. Special as a joke for a stream then committing to finishing the game came to mind for me as a Dan-like thing (much like Dan's Seaman playthrough). Jeff and Dan both being dismissive of anime (Jeff less so compared to Dan. Dan used to be really aggressively dismissive of anime even though everyone else on staff was screaming at him that Metal Gear Solid is basically anime) then getting way into Dragon Ball Z also came to mind as a very Dan thing. The thing that always showed up in those 2014-2016 Bombcasts was that Jeff was in some ways just as weird as Dan, but in a different way.

For other members, I think how Brad viewed computers and technology (or at least used to, he's much less severe about this now) was very Dan-like (well, old Dan from like 5-10 years ago) for a while. His knowledge and views on computers for a long time was very much based in the 90s/early 00s along with boomer takes he read on tech greybeard forums, and he was weirdly dismissive and skeptical of new technology in a way Dan used to be about other things. If you listen to old episodes of the Tech Pod, this tendency would show up a lot and would leave Will flabbergasted at times (for example, Brad would talk as if something was extremely common to do on computers even though nobody else had actually done the thing that way in a decade or more). It seems like Will and others have finally drip-fed Brad newer technologies and ideas that have broken him out of this mindset. As an example, he was extremely stubborn about replacing his pair of 15+ year old CCFL tech monitors because he didn't see why new, bigger monitors would be beneficial (CCFL monitors use significantly more energy compared to modern LED monitors. Brad's monitors were also tiny by standards of even 10 years ago) then when he finally did replace them he had a Dan-like moment of realization how much better the tech has become. Now Brad's way into a bunch of modern tech stuff (home automation/servers and open-source software) mostly just for fun more than anything.