Rants about Arguments (Logic Blog pt 2)
By Malawi1321 23 Comments
So I felt the need to rant a little bit and I figured some of the stuff here might be useful for people on the blogs (I can dream at least).
So I’m a PhD student in Philosophy and so I teach intro classes to students at a major public university. I take classes and teach one so the school gives me a free education and some money. It’s not a bad gig, really. However, it’s amazing the difference just a few years makes from being a college student to being a “professional” college student. Also, I don’t do the fluffy kinda navel gazing most people think of philosophy. I do logic, philosophy of artificial intelligence, and moral psychology. (This is all said earlier in a blog, but it’s worth restating)
Right now I’m teaching a course where my students have to take their own views, state them in some coherent form and then defend them. This isn’t as easy as one would think and with that in mind, my latest rant is regarding certain logically fallacies and poor arguments overall. In fact, many of my student’s argue like a forum post reads.
So here are things I see in student’s writings and in forum posts that annoy me:
Explanation: a good explanation or presentation of your position involves two parts. Yes, two. One, you need to actually explain the principles of your view (the premises of your argument). This shouldn’t be a shocker. The second part is the oft overlooked. You then need to provide a justification for those premises! YES! You can have any old view you like, but you better well provide me a damn good reason for why you think them! Look, I can start out with saying “well, if the sky is purple, then I’m a puppydog” and that’s fine. But you can’t expect me to think what you’re saying is RIGHT or TRUE or SOUND (in the case of an entire argument) unless you JUSTIFY IT. Now, I love me some RPGs and Strategy games, and I could say “these games are the best, this game is of that type, therefore that game is the best” and it’s a valid argument! But I can’t expect you to actually BUY it or believe it until I give you some justification for it! Simply put, everyone has an opinion and can plug in any premises they want into an argument. However, you can’t expect people to accept them without SOME sort of justification. I can say “the sky is blue” because I can justify it by pointing at the sky and going “FUCKING LOOK”. So yeah, everyone can think what they like, but if you get into a discussion, be able to justify your view. Nothing’s worse than someone going “MASTER CHIEF IS THE BEST BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST” or “WELL, THAT”S MY FUCKING OPINION MAN”. It gets us nowhere.
strawmanning/uncharitibility: This is a fallacy in logic. It’s also pretty damn clear why it’s bad. Strawmanning is when a person does not actually argue against a person’s actual view, but rather builds a fake view that is much easier to rip apart (and does so). Basically, it gets its name because you’re not fighting a real person, you’re fighting a fake straw man (or target dummy). Now you may have a GREAT argument against that fake person, but it’s not the REAL target. For instance, in a recent podcast Brad mentioned that developers don’t lead off on PCs. He clearly cleared up his point by saying that it was a descriptive claim, not a normative one (it’s a what is claim, not a what should be claim). However, in the forum, he was attacked by someone claiming that Brad’s view was “developers should never lead on the PC”. Now, we won’t get into how good an argument the person had, but what’s important is that no matter how incredible it is, that person is not attacking brad. He’s strawmanning Brad with a crappy view. This idea of strawmanning should be pretty obvious. You can’t claim victory if you didn’t actually wound the actual person. I can’t beat up a punching bag and claim the heavyweight title.
So what do you do to fix this problem? Well, a few things. First, make damn sure you’re actually listening to what the person said and attack that view. But, you may ask, how am I supposed to make sure it’s the right view? Glad you asked! Sometimes a view is so fucking shitty or confused that there is NO way that person meant what they said, or it could be so disjointed you can’t tell which of 3 different things they meant. This is where the concept of charity comes in. Instead of just picking the easy one, or the one the person may have said, we do the CHARITABLE thing and take the BEST POSSIBLE INTERPRETATION as the target. If you do this, if you take the BEST POSSIBLE VIEW THEY COULD HAVE, you’re sure to kill any weaker version too. This should make sense. If you can kill the best possible view, you can kill a weaker one. If you can punch through 10 boards, you can punch through 1.
But why care about being charitable? Well, for a lot of reasons. First, arguments are like protagonists, they’re only as powerful as their enemy. Your view/argument is only as good as the counterargument (opposition argument) it can beat. Beating up a strawman is easy, and my argument doesn’t have to be good to do it. But if I can take Brad’s view, make it look fucking awesome, AND STILL WIN?! Then my argument is fucking great.
Second, we’re a community and we’re all people here, so show some goddamn respect. You wouldn’t want someone to intentionally misinterpret your argument as shitty as possible. You would want them to make it even better! If you really believe in your view, then you should be willing to go the extra mile and give it a real chance.
Third, you look like a dumbass when you get their view wrong and so by going with the best possible interpretation (the charitable one), they’re going to either a) agree that that’s their view or b)shut the fuck up and pretend it was because you did a better job than they did.
Finally, and most importantly, we have these forums because we want debate and discussion. Strawmanning doesn’t help, it only hurts. A real discussion takes listening, charity, and good arguments.
To finish up, I have one more thing. There’s a fallacy called “ad hominem.” It’s latin for “to the man”. It’s when you don’t actually attack the view, but the person behind it. An example would be “Global warming isn’t true, the people who say it is are all anti-business hippies”. The fact that all scientists (I uses to be one) are all anti-business hippies plays NO role WHATSOEVER in the truth of global warming. The same goes for games. Certain things are true beyond who told you them. Even if Hitler said that the sky was blue, THE SKY WOULD BE BLUE. Also, just because someone likes a game and you don’t, that doesn’t mean they’re an asshole. They may be an asshole, but that has nothing to do with the games they like (but rather with their asshol-ish tendencies). (well, actually they may be an asshole and like games that assholes like, but the fact they like a certain game doesn’t make them an asshole).
So remember kids, be charitable, don’t strawman, don’t attack the person but the view, and let’s get some nice discussion going. Furthermore, if you’re not willing to address the view and insist on attacking the person, you should post to another site. The people here pour their heart into this and want to be met on even ground, it’s not too hard to do these little things to make that possible.
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