I perhaps have an idea to aid in Dan attempting to make Patrick insane

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#1 Posted by Penderton (133 posts) -

I don't know what new menace he came up with this time (I don't have the game but it's provided hours of entertainment anyway!) but I was thinking...since he quit when going back to the start the last time, is it possible to make an overworld that leads to a sub-world that's the exact copy of the overworld? That way when someone goes through the pipe they'll THINK they restarted the whole level. I'd imagine Patrick would keep quitting and be forever looking for a non-existant exit in the first one. To go even one better, the actual exit pipe leads to a third section of the level that looks the same again, if possible? You'd have to put a wall on the left hand side of where you start so the difference wouldn't be noticed but is this a doable thing?

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#2 Edited by Quantris (1252 posts) -

This is very doable. I was thinking of making a level like that, but was going to call it Endless Eight (so the title kind of gives it away). But instead I ended up spending most of the night trying (and finally beating) GB level 2.

Another, similar idea was to set up a trap like the one in GB level 2, with the door opening above spikes so you have to hold left. Like in GB level 2, you can see the trap before you enter the door.

Except when you enter the door, you're taken to a different section of the level that's set up slightly differently, where the spikes are moved one over. And when you die, you think you must have just seen it wrong.

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#3 Posted by ViciousBearMauling (2094 posts) -

That's pretty darn rude...

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#4 Posted by rethla (3725 posts) -

Those elaborate mindfucks are possible but they take up so much space so i wonder if they are worth it. Would make it a gimmick level thats cleared once you solve that one thing. Obviously there are room for more stuff but if you are gonna pull of tricks like those you need to dedicate much space is what im saying.

I just hope there are a few hidden blocks that destroys Patricks jumps every 10th run and slowly drive him insane ;)

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#5 Posted by dudeglove (13680 posts) -

Is there a limit on pipes to and from the sub world? And can you start a level with Mario coming out of a pipe?

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#6 Posted by Penderton (133 posts) -

@quantris said:

This is very doable. I was thinking of making a level like that, but was going to call it Endless Eight (so the title kind of gives it away). But instead I ended up spending most of the night trying (and finally beating) GB level 2.

Another, similar idea was to set up a trap like the one in GB level 2, with the door opening above spikes so you have to hold left. Like in GB level 2, you can see the trap before you enter the door.

Except when you enter the door, you're taken to a different section of the level that's set up slightly differently, where the spikes are moved one over. And when you die, you think you must have just seen it wrong.

If you make it general people will just download it to figure it out, right? Making it to specifically mess with someone you know will quit right away because they've already fell victim to the trick multiple times and hasn't downloaded a level to figure it out is what makes it work here. Can fall for the endless cycle of restarts or just be at the end looking for another way out. I saw how to beat the new one and it's too easy. :( At least it's for chairity. Though if he downloads that level this won't work because he'd download this too. So overworld, super tough, 5 pipes at the end, 4 restart the level, 1 leads to a subworld that's the exact same, 5 pipes at the end, 4 restart the subworld (unless they can redirect to the to the start of overworld too), a different one leads to the last of the overworld which is again an exact replica (or maybe move everything one block to the left) until the end. Though yeah, room is a concern, that's why I was wondering if it was doable.

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#7 Posted by CatsAkimbo (791 posts) -

You don't necessarily have to duplicate the entire world. You could set it up so you have a "choice" pipe near the end, one which goes back to the start of the level, another that goes to a new red herring part of the level that's actually a dead end. The actual solution would to bring something through the back-to-start pipe that enables you to take some different path.

Maybe give the player a star before the "choice", and have a death-pit near the start of the level that turns out to have a pipe at the bottom. With the star, you make it to the bottom, but without, you die before you even see it. It'd be easy to assume it's a "back to start fuck you" and completely dismiss it.

I was actually going to propose that during the live streams, but I'm never able to watch things live.

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#8 Posted by Jesus_Phish (3766 posts) -

It's doable. I think it might have been on UPF but someone made what you're looking for but with a slight twist. It's an airship level that uses two screens, both of which are a horizontal flip of each other. It was a really cool idea for a level, the guy who made it included nice little touches like spring blocks that would fall as you exit a pipe to show that your orientation has changed.

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#9 Posted by Naoiko (1674 posts) -

Does Dan really need any help? Lol pretty cool idea though. =)

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#10 Posted by notnert427 (2158 posts) -

Oh God, a potentially endless loop where you can't even really tell which world you're actually in? This site is full of nightmare people. :)

Maybe make some really subtle difference that's nearly impossible to notice in the underworld and the third world, like having one more koopa in a crowded koopa jail on each world.

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#11 Posted by the-damn-muteki (4 posts) -

It might be easier if the sublevel was filled with mostly indistinguishable rooms each with at least one door to a different indistinguishable room. That way it becomes a mess of pipes and doors that no sane person could ever navigate

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#12 Posted by Jellybones (327 posts) -

This is brilliant.

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#13 Posted by robsamuel (139 posts) -

If pipes go to the sub world and doors stay on the same world, that's a bit of a give away. Though it would make it a little confusing at least.

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#14 Posted by chroipahtz (239 posts) -

@robsamuel: If the player was constantly going through pipes and doors, not to mention repeatedly playing the level and getting more and more frustrated, it'd be very easy to not be able to keep track.

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#15 Edited by FlashFlood_29 (4394 posts) -

The idea is great up until you mentioned the five pipes at the end and only one leading to the subworld. A "puzzle," where the ONLY solution is to brute force trial and error is not a puzzle.

If Dan wanted that kind of trick he could easily put a ton of pipes at the end of one of his insane levels and have only one of them lead to the ending.

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