Valve just released an update to Team Fortress 2 containing the following.

• Fixed team switches on Attack/Defense maps spamming the console
  
• Fixed the Kritzkrieg not working on servers with crits turned off
  
• Fixed some clipped localized strings in various in-game dialogs
  
• Fixed several cases where files were synchronously loaded while the game was running
  
• Fixed a shutdown crash in the material system
  
• Cached rendering of item model panels to improve performance, in particular while weapon selection was visible
  
• Added a gear symbol behind the health bar for Engineer buildings, in both target IDs and freeze panels
  
• Players killing themselves will now give a kill credit to the last enemy who damaged them
  
• Fixed grenades, rockets, and flamethrower being able to fire through grates at round starts
  
• Fixed players being killed and creating ragdolls during team switches
  
• Fixed various exploits and performance problems in CP_Badlands, CP_Well, and CP_Fastlane
  
• Removed health bonus from the Backburner

Ooo interesting... Hopefully we get the heavy pack soon :P. Its going to be hella funny when there are 8 heavies on each team!

Do people still play this game (on the 360)?

"Do people still play this game (on the 360)?
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I just played around a little and the old flamethrower seems to be more useful than the backburner now.

"Do people still play this game (on the 360)?
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thank god they got rid of the health bonus off the backburning. Pyro vs Pyro wont be as bad now

I wish I liked that game

I have the orange box but everytime i play TF2 I just get bored...

I hope CS2 is coming out though from Valve

Players killing themselves will now give a kill credit to the last enemy who damaged them....that's the only thing I don't like, but I guess its for the people who kill themselves since they don't want someone to get a point, accidents happen a lot with me.

I guess I don't really have a reason to play the Backburner any more. I rarely used the flare gun and now I'll rarely use the backburner. Lame.

Yeah they need to review the Pyro class now. The BackBurner is next to useless and Pyro's are now a squishy class again. See my topic here in the Pyro section of the Wiki for my thoughts on this recent update.

I'm very happy with the Pyro nerf. Pyro is one of my mains and the Backburner was pretty shitty, but I couldn't give it up because of the health bonus. Now there's no question. None of the new Pyro weapons are viable anymore.

Really, I do think that's a good thing. Plus I can kill all Pyros with one bullet in the head again.

Demilich, that's pretty naive. The axtinguisher is definitely far more useful than the original axe, and for some people the flare gun is better because it has long range benefits.

How can it be naive if I've tested all of them to their maximum extent?

The Axtinguisher forfeits the biggest part of a melee weapon. Surprise. The moment you light someone on fire they focus entirely on you making the kill even harder, not to mention you waste time switching weapons.

And the Flare gun is only better for noobs. I cannot stress that enough. A good Pyro will use his shotgun the moment his target leaves range.

And you can't debate that the Backburner is better still.


But when I read back, I somewhat agree with you about the Axe. The Axtinguisher is viable, but 3 close range weapons usually means you won't ever have to use it. Pretty much for kicks only.

"A good Pyro will master the flare gun. The shotgun is overpowered so therefore you are a noob for using it.
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good for them for removing health bonus on the backburner, didnt see why they had to add it, the backburner itself is good enough of an upgrade.

"A good Pyro will master the flare gun. The shotgun is overpowered so therefore you are a noob for using it.
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"Do people still play this game (on the 360)?
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"Miniman said:

"A good Pyro will master the flare gun. The shotgun is overpowered so therefore you are a noob for using it.
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In th end though id rather be called a noob and get kills than waste my time learning how to use a weak thing like the flare gun.
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updates for the 360 will never come will they?

The problem is that the Pyro is, in Valve's eyes, mean't to be a stealth and ambush class. In theory thats awesome but in practice it just doesn't work out because the very nature of TF2 is utter chaos, its not like other FPS style games where you can lay in wait and camp. Because its a constantly energy filled game where people just go crazy and charge around like a bull in a china shop.

The fact Pyro's need to get very close, dangerously close, to their targets means we can't ambush well at all because the moment you set a target on fire your the focus of their attention and the Pyro with 175hp doesn't take that many hits before he dies. Atleast with the 225hp we could get close to a target and stand the chance of taking a few hits but living long enough to do some serious damage, even if we die it was guaranteed the burning effect would kill a target.

What we could really do with is having the Pyro's base health boosted to 200 and raise the Soldier's to 225 and imrpove the hit detection for the backburner. That way its a little more useful compared to the default flamethrower now and Pyro's stand a slightly better chance of surviving long enough to be effective against targets when a head on fight occurs or if we do have to get dangerously close to a target.

"The problem is that the Pyro is, in Valve's eyes, mean't to be a stealth and ambush class. In theory thats awesome but in practice it just doesn't work out because the very nature of TF2 is utter chaos, its not like other FPS style games where you can lay in wait and camp. Because its a constantly energy filled game where people just go crazy and charge around like a bull in a china shop.

The fact Pyro's need to get very close, dangerously close, to their targets means we can't ambush well at all because the moment you set a target on fire your the focus of their attention and the Pyro with 175hp doesn't take that many hits before he dies. Atleast with the 225hp we could get close to a target and stand the chance of taking a few hits but living long enough to do some serious damage, even if we die it was guaranteed the burning effect would kill a target.

What we could really do with is having the Pyro's base health boosted to 200 and raise the Soldier's to 225 and imrpove the hit detection for the backburner. That way its a little more useful compared to the default flamethrower now and Pyro's stand a slightly better chance of surviving long enough to be effective against targets when a head on fight occurs or if we do have to get dangerously close to a target.
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You're thinking too much. I'll boil it down:

1. Pyro can get kills easily after the nerf.
2. Pyro could get kills easily before the buff.
3. Pyro is not for head on combat (As you have said). Therefore if the Pyro gets 225hp, the Spy should get 400hp.
4. Pyro is fine.
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1. Yes easily. Just get better.
2. Yes, easily again. Get better.
3. The Pyro is a flanking offensive class. Like you said, you're not meant for head on combat so why do you need so much health? You light people on fire, and run away at the nearest corner.

And my comparison shows how flawed your logic is. You think the Pyro needs more health because he's fragile and needs to get close to his opponents? The Spy needs to get closer and has even less health.

The Pyro is fine. Just admit you got used to being a tank and enjoy living longer. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Valve know what they're doing better than you do.

"Demilich said:

"_blank said:

"Miniman said:

"A good Pyro will master the flare gun. The shotgun is overpowered so therefore you are a noob for using it.
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In th end though id rather be called a noob and get kills than waste my time learning how to use a weak thing like the flare gun.
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You're not a noob for using the shotgun. He just made a completely irrelevant and stupid post.
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Meh, I would rather have a more satisfying kill then use the easy method.
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Yeah trust me,360 is dead to TF2 really. My steam locked up permanently a while back,all the text is gone to anything in the program and just doesn't work,my computer being old and slowly dying and kill programs is the reason.

So when I felt like playing more after I heard of all these updates(even though I could only get them on PC) I figured I'd try a 360 version just to get my TF2 fix.

There's on average 3 servers up. But if you want to play with friends you gotta start your own,then wait like 15 minutes+ to get anyone to join and stay there(or that just won't happen)


Can't wait to get my new PC built soon though,really been wanting to check out these updates because I have yet to see a single one.

the 360 is dead for tf2

"Well ok then. The shotgun isn't necessarily overpowered but it has a huge advantage over some classes especially the 125hp classes.
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Flare gun does have its uses. When you're in the shotgun's effective range most of the time it is better to use your flamethrower.

"Flare gun does have its uses. When you're in the shotgun's effective range most of the time it is better to use your flamethrower.
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"xruntime said:

"Flare gun does have its uses. When you're in the shotgun's effective range most of the time it is better to use your flamethrower.
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You're not very good at Pyro are you?
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I love the shotgun..I do find that most pyros are terrible with it though.

yeah 360 is dead for tf2 its way to easy to exploit engineers turrets and just own maps I've seen so many maps where the engineer just owns every one.

"yeah 360 is dead for tf2 its way to easy to exploit engineers turrets and just own maps I've seen so many maps where the engineer just owns every one.
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Thanks for the details.

""When you're in the shotgun's effective range most of the time it is better to use your flamethrower"

My point was how incredibly false that was. True could be said if you replace Shotgun and Flamethrower with Flamethrower and Axe, but the Shotgun is effective up to to 50-70 meters. You'd know that if you were good enough.
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Have you forgotten where we are?

You're not going to win this, I'm not going to win this. Instead I'll keep using my shotgun, getting easy kills. While you miss repeatedly with your flare gun. Enjoy the meager damage it does only to have your enemies run for a health pack or a medic.

Great updates. I was starting to think TF2 was getting stupid, it was to easy to play the pyro and stuff.

"Have you forgotten where we are?

You're not going to win this, I'm not going to win this. Instead I'll keep using my shotgun, getting easy kills. While you miss repeatedly with your flare gun. Enjoy the meager damage it does only to have your enemies run for a health pack or a medic.
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I don't get why people now recon that without the added health boost the BackBurner is now underpowered and weak. The very fact that you can do critical hits to the back automatically makes a much more powerful offensive weapon.

Even in a typical duel, say soldier vs pyro I can run around and get a good couple of critical hits that I couldnt with the standard flamethrower.

That's not to say I think the old flamethrower is underpowered now. The air balst does have its occasional uses but at the moment it's a feature im willing to sacrafice.

Anyone know  if and when these updates are coming to the 360

I lost track. Last time I heard valve where trying to connive Microsoft to offer this content for free.

I don't see it happening. Do yourself a favor and just buy the PC version. Best purchase you will ever make.