1. The "dungeons" were all the same.

 
 There were about 4 types of dungeons in Oblivion. Ayleid Ruin, Fort, Cave, Oblivion Plane and combinations thereof. With the Shivering Isles expansion, add several more dungeon types to the list. Oblivion has more TYPES of dungeons than most other games have dungeons, period. What is Oblivion's competition, here? I'm not going to deny that the caves of Cyrodiil got boring. But come on, it wasn't that bad. It's not as if it's Dragon Age II, with the same exact dungeon being used for 50 quests. In hindsight, to make the game even better, they should have hired more people for dungeon-creation like they did for Skyrim. Still better than games with a maximum of 10 dungeons. Most people had no problem playing for over 300 hours despite this.
 
 2. There's no Multiplayer.
 
 Good. The Elder Scrolls games are the final expression of a great idea; a game where I can pick flowers or read a surprisingly long in-game book without a whiny, vulgar 13 year old accompanying me. And, no, it shouldn't even be an option for a good number of reasons listed in other posts. Over time, people will fail to get the whole point of going solo. It's not something you "get" right away.
 
 3. The game is "bland and lifeless".
 
 Bland? That's how I felt about the art direction of Morrowind and I felt Oblivion to be a slight improvement. It's true, many portions of the game seem ripped directly from the non-fantasy version of Earth as it actually exists. That's because the game designers literally went around the world taking photographs of objects and materials that would fit in the world and then precisely copied them. Yes, that means no 30 foot long organic swords or wicked twisty armor like in JRPGs-- is that really a hang-up for you? It's kind of insignificant. 
 
By bland do we mean that it wasn't covered in ZOMG GIANT MUSHROOMS? Exactly what gimmick should Cyrodiil have used? I can't think of anything good and it would have been tiresome to do that general concept for two games in a row, anyway.
 
 Lifeless? So, they make a big city and put a lot of people in it. However, the city is a little bigger than the number of individually crafted NPCs can fill.  The NPCs going about their schedules on tracks looked bad but it was a minor issue and most NPCs in other games just stand in one spot 24/7. Had anybody created a world with so many non-random, multi-line interactive NPCs before that? Have they done it since? Then what exactly are you comparing it to?  Morrowind certainly didn't have this functionality. At least, not without a glitchy mod plugged in.
  
 Sure, Assassin's Creed filled the world with virtual bodies, but they had no more lines than an "oof" sound when you bumped into or pick-pocketed them. Not even close to Oblivion. Fable III? Oh yeah, I never got tired of hearing "my dad says you're the Big Cheese". Not even Fallout 3 made cities that were as big that had as many NPCs. You might as well be putting down the world's most powerful gun because it doesn't shoot plasma -- when nothing else does, either.  I mean, I assume you play video games in general so why do you reserve your impossible standard for the one game that surpasses all others in so many respects? 
 
In fact, I felt the opposite about the "outside" world of TESIV -- too much "life". Or at least, the amount of critter life was poorly located. Why can't I walk from one city to another without being attacked separately by 4 wolves, 3 bandits and a mudcrab? How the heck do the residents of this world ever get anything done with so many aggro critters running about? It looks like they're fixing this in Skyrim by putting the enemies in groups instead of scattered everywhere so that you can't go from A to B without 8 battles. I know people have complained to the contrary, I just don't see how there could have been more enemies without making a simple walk a laughable exercise.
 
4. Level and loot scaling. Alright, that was a glaring weakness. Let my character get powerful after 300 hours, plzkthx. And at levels 1/2/3, you'd think that wolves outnumbered people. 

Don't forget about the way melee weapons go right through what you're trying to attack in Morrowind unless you stack your skill points into one of the weapon skills. I much prefer Oblivion's method of "you still hit them, but for ridiculously low damage," to Morrowind's "your sword went right through its head, but somehow you missed."

you forgot the part where the main story was bad, there was like 6 voice actors + patrick stewart, and the terrible dialogue interface.

1. A game shouldn't need expansions to give it more variety, and just because one game was worse, doesn't make the other better. 
 
2. Don't care about multiplayer, not a lot of people even want it. 
 
3. The game is bland and lifeless. There werne't enough voice actors, the conversation were all the same, the daily routines were basically "walk here, talk about mudcrabs, walk here, talk about thieve's guild, go to bed". They didn't actively chop wood like they do in Skyrim, they didn't have items in their hands. They got caught on the environment, glitched and babbled and took you out of the immersion. Also, wolves, bandits and mudcrabs aren't enough enemy variety, though I did find not enough happened. 
 
4. Yes, scaling was terrible. 
 
Of course you need mods to bring Oblivion to Morrowind. Morrowind was released before Oblivion.

Oblivion rules. It definitely has its flaws but so did Morrowind and other Bethesda games like Fallout 3, but that didn't stop me from spending well over 60 hours in each of those games.

i liked oblivion and i played it quite a lot plus I heard morrowinds missions are sometimes boring (collecting lots of stuff).

I don't know why so many people hate Oblivion, the game is fucking fantastic. The main story isn't the best but its also not the worst, and their is so much more to do then just the main story. Even though the dungeons are all alike they sure as hell were more fun and diverse to do then the shit in Dragon Age 2, like seriously the game has a few flaws but so does every game made. 

Way to defend Oblivion by bashing Fable and Assassin's Creed. Real classy.
Oblivion is fucking good, you won't change the minds of the haters.

Morrowind had spunk.

I don't hate Oblvion I just like Morrowinds setting and story more.

Oblivion was awesome and was the game that made buying a 360 worth it for me at the time. Can't wait for skyrim.

but assassin's creed is still cool

you forgot the part where the main story was bad, there was like 6 voice actors + patrick stewart, and the terrible dialogue interface.

Hey, if Skyrim has more dungeon variety, a more dynamic/engaging "life" to the world, and better level/loot scaling, then all the complainers have my humble thanks as a non-complainer.

Erm... I feel like you need to do a bit of research, or something. Your first point is outright broken, Oblivion's aesthetic dungeon design was one of its stronger points. Your second point is insane, the people who dislike Oblivion would eviscerate Bethesda if they even suggested adding Multiplayer. And your third point is a strawman: You've chosen to focus entirely on the "lifeless" part of the complaint, rather than the much more valid "bland" part.

I don't know who you're trying to argue with, but it's not me, and it's not any other Oblivion critic I've ever spoken to.

If you want to read complaints against Oblivion that actually exist, here's a good starting point:

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=129

I played Morrowind for about an hour and a half and did not enjoy one second of it. I played about 130 hours of Oblivion and only stopped there because I lost my save. Sure, the combat in Oblivion is no Chronicles of Riddick, but the combat in Morrowind was utterly abysmal. When I hit someone with a sword, I ought to HIT THEM. This should not be a difficult concept. Heck, half the time it seems that self-styled " Hardcore RPG" fans want to have as little direct involvement in their games as possible. Instead of playing as your character, you end up more as a guy yelling instructions at the party like some kind of obsessive back-seat driver.

"Cast that! Heal him! Use this! Wear these!"

And then you just watch it unfold.

If Role Playing just means sitting back and watching dice rolls, then no thank you. Video games should not be beholden to the structure of board games. Pen-and-paper RPGs did not invent the concepts of role-playing, making decisions, customization or having memorable character interaction. If the point of an RPG is to make you feel like a self-made hero of myth, then make a game that does that. I don't remember Aragorn or Conan the Cimmerian deciding between a +5 Fire Sword or a +6 Ice Bow or pausing their battles to cue up a "Shout of Brave Bellowing" stat boosting yodel. Give us options, give us a deep and compelling world and then make the game as visceral and immediate as possible.

Sorry, rant over.

None of those are the things I complained about--or saw lots of other people complain about--when saying Oblivion was a step backwards from Morrowind in a lot of ways. But, uh, good points I guess?

@Laketown said:

you forgot the part where the main story was bad, there was like 6 voice actors + patrick stewart, and the terrible dialogue interface.

Morrowind always felt clunky and stiff to me, especially in combat. The GUI was hard to navigate too. And it was quite unstable on PC, I remember. Crashes were pretty common. Oblivion's plot was generic and very basic, and the limited amount of voice actors could be quite boring in the long run. On the other hand, Morrowind was a bit lackluster in the voice acting department when it came to variety and frequency, right?

Both games have their flaws and strong points, whoever zealously claims that Morrowind is the best and Oblivion needs a little bit of perspective. I'm equally tired of fanboys and haters.

Something about Oblivion always put me off. I never felt like I was doing any damage or playing it right. Morrowind I only remember was the first big open RPG I played.

4 was the biggest problem I had with Oblivion. 1 I was mostly fine with apart from Oblivion gates,  2 is just stupid and with 3 I thought the world was pretty well realized and life like, the samey NPCs you run into with identical voices was a problem though. I agree that the constant danger five feet outside any settlement was really annoying and unbelievable. I can see why people would call it bland looking but I didn't mind. 

@Laketown said:

                   

you forgot the part where the main story was bad, there was like 6 voice actors + patrick stewart, and the terrible dialogue interface.

                   

               

In the interest of being exact, there were 11 mainstay VA's in Oblivion. 
 
Imperial male
Breton male
Orc and Nord male
Redguard male
Argonian and Khajiit male
Elf male
Imperial and Breton female
Orc and Nord female
Redguard female
Argonian and Khajiit female
Elf female

you forgot the part where the main story was bad, there was like 6 voice actors + patrick stewart, and the terrible dialogue interface.

Well this is a breath of fresh air. I'm so sick of people who have like seven pairs of nostalgia-glasses on whenever they make a point.

Also, super stoked for Skyrim.

@BaneFireLord said:

@Laketown said:

you forgot the part where the main story was bad, there was like 6 voice actors + patrick stewart, and the terrible dialogue interface.

Not to say that Oblivion's story is good (there's a reason why it was the last thing I did, after The Shivering Isles and all the guild quests), but why do so many people say that Morrowind's story was all that great? I thought it was just as bland as Oblivion's.

I'm not comparing it to morrowind, I'm just saying that it is also bad.

I tried to go back to oblivion a couple of weeks ago to ready myself for skim, but couldn't play it for more than an hour before giving up. My main problem was the shit Interface (PC) and the fact that the world DID feel lifeless outside of towns.

Being punched in the face is marginally better than being kicked in the balls.

Don't forget about the way melee weapons go right through what you're trying to attack in Morrowind unless you stack your skill points into one of the weapon skills. I much prefer Oblivion's method of "you still hit them, but for ridiculously low damage," to Morrowind's "your sword went right through its head, but somehow you missed."

I played Morrowind for about an hour and a half and did not enjoy one second of it. I played about 130 hours of Oblivion and only stopped there because I lost my save. Sure, the combat in Oblivion is no Chronicles of Riddick, but the combat in Morrowind was utterly abysmal. When I hit someone with a sword, I ought to HIT THEM. This should not be a difficult concept. Heck, half the time it seems that self-styled " Hardcore RPG" fans want to have as little direct involvement in their games as possible. Instead of playing as your character, you end up more as a guy yelling instructions at the party like some kind of obsessive back-seat driver.

"Cast that! Heal him! Use this! Wear these!"

And then you just watch it unfold.

If Role Playing just means sitting back and watching dice rolls, then no thank you. Video games should not be beholden to the structure of board games. Pen-and-paper RPGs did not invent the concepts of role-playing, making decisions, customization or having memorable character interaction. If the point of an RPG is to make you feel like a self-made hero of myth, then make a game that does that. I don't remember Aragorn or Conan the Cimmerian deciding between a +5 Fire Sword or a +6 Ice Bow or pausing their battles to cue up a "Shout of Brave Bellowing" stat boosting yodel. Give us options, give us a deep and compelling world and then make the game as visceral and immediate as possible.

Sorry, rant over.

I like all the ES games but Morrowind felt alien and it made me want to explore it, YES GIANT MUSHROOMS are awesome, I put over 200 Hours in Obliv I didn't hate it, the super stock fantasy setting just took its toll on the world, endless forest and the same Ruins/Caves a million times killed the Open world for me, still loved it though but Skyrim looks like a combo of Obliv/Morrow so it should be Fucking amazing.

I still play Oblivion and love it.  This game deserves no hate!

1. A game shouldn't need expansions to give it more variety, and just because one game was worse, doesn't make the other better. 
 
2. Don't care about multiplayer, not a lot of people even want it. 
 
3. The game is bland and lifeless. There werne't enough voice actors, the conversation were all the same, the daily routines were basically "walk here, talk about mudcrabs, walk here, talk about thieve's guild, go to bed". They didn't actively chop wood like they do in Skyrim, they didn't have items in their hands. They got caught on the environment, glitched and babbled and took you out of the immersion. Also, wolves, bandits and mudcrabs aren't enough enemy variety, though I did find not enough happened. 
 
4. Yes, scaling was terrible. 
 
Of course you need mods to bring Oblivion to Morrowind. Morrowind was released before Oblivion.

@The_Nubster said:

1. A game shouldn't need expansions to give it more variety, and just because one game was worse, doesn't make the other better. 
 
2. Don't care about multiplayer, not a lot of people even want it. 
 
3. The game is bland and lifeless. There werne't enough voice actors, the conversation were all the same, the daily routines were basically "walk here, talk about mudcrabs, walk here, talk about thieve's guild, go to bed". They didn't actively chop wood like they do in Skyrim, they didn't have items in their hands. They got caught on the environment, glitched and babbled and took you out of the immersion. Also, wolves, bandits and mudcrabs aren't enough enemy variety, though I did find not enough happened. 
 
4. Yes, scaling was terrible. 
 
Of course you need mods to bring Oblivion to Morrowind. Morrowind was released before Oblivion.

 I agree and disagree:1) There wasn't variety in Morrwind either. I got tired of seeing the same ancestral tombs over and over again and the caves were the same.  2) Don't want multiplayer. 3) There were barely  any voice actors for Morrowind and the damn text conversations were all the same nothing different except for they new topic for a quest  (same for Oblivion). Morrwind's characters didn't even fucking move or go to sleep. Just the ones outside that would wander aimlessly without purpose or soul, I admit that Morrwind is a dead land. 4) Yes, scaling was frustrating.

I'm gonna be honest, I've never really played Morrowind for more than a half hour or so. But reading your post and seeing you say that the problems that Oblivion had, it shared with Morrowind, is fucked up. They should have cracked down and fixed that.

Oblivion was, and still is, an excellent game. There is no other game that I spent so much time on, with the game still keeping me interested after all that time. I see why some haters hate, but imo, one of the best games I have played, and enjoyed playing the whole way through.
 
Can't wait for Skyrim; going to be fantastic.

@kashif1 said:

@MrKlorox said:

Don't forget about the way melee weapons go right through what you're trying to attack in Morrowind unless you stack your skill points into one of the weapon skills. I much prefer Oblivion's method of "you still hit them, but for ridiculously low damage," to Morrowind's "your sword went right through its head, but somehow you missed."

and there is most of the reason why i'll never play morrowind, the rest of the reason is that my computer sucks. Seriously though Oblivion needs no defence, its a good game with a bunch of nostalgia blinded haters.

I had almost no fun at all playing Oblivion. The horrid leveling system combined with the horrid level scaling made progression about as entertaining as sitting on a rabid porcupine. The act of negotiation is made painful with the inclusion of that stupid mood wheel, the imperial guards are implausible in their psychic nature (not to mention fucking annoying). I cleared maybe two Oblivion Gates total and had no desire to even approach a third, much less all the rest of them.

The most entertainment I got out of the game was starting from scratch, cranking the difficulty all the way down, going straight to the arena and cleaning it out in the span of half an hour. Second place was vampirism, but certain things like the sun, and once again those goddamn imperial guards drained the fun out of that one quick.

Seriously, though. Fuck those guards. How the hell did they know I had item in my inventory that I stole in an entirely different city with absolutely no one around to see me commit the crime?

And don't even think of this as the rant of a nostalgia-blinded fan of Morrowind, because I never played Morrowind or any other Elder Scrolls game prior to Oblivion.

I don't like Morrowind at all. Oblivion made it possible for regular people to play the game. Not having waypoints and having enemies that do not scale to your level which made exploring the wrong part of the world an instant death may be fun for a few hardcore fans, but it wasn't until Oblivion that most people could play TES series.

@dagas said:

I don't like Morrowind at all. Oblivion made it possible for regular people to play the game. Not having waypoints and having enemies that do not scale to your level which made exploring the wrong part of the world an instant death may be fun for a few hardcore fans, but it wasn't until Oblivion that most people could play TES series.

There's an easy way to avoid death in regions of Morrowind that are too powerful for you.

Don't go to those places until you're strong enough to take them on.

Most of your points are pretty shaky.

First of all, you don't need every AI in the game to have intricate, observable lives. In reality, you see tons of people and ONLY ever see them walking or driving, maybe eating out at McDonalds or something. You know what would have been cool? More populated outer areas with less detailed AI (just walking around, etc) and then a few actually important AI's with more detailed routines, and keeping the detail mostly inside, with much fewer AI. There is no need to make everyone want to strike up a conversation with you, and it's alway sweird when no one is EVER in a shop, there is usually like, one guy in even the biggest of inns, and the streets are totally lifeless and empty. Just because the few AI the game had were more detailed than most, it doesn't help. The illusion doesn't work, end of story.

Second of all, the world felt bland because it completely lacked diversity within itself. All of the land was the same thing: rolling hills. Even the mountains were soft, and gentle. There was no detail to the world. Just grass, and 20 of the exact same trees all over the place. There were two types of terrain: grass, and snow. The dungeons weren't only all the same, but they looked terrible, and were layed out in the worst possible ways. But also, comparing it to DA2, which was MASSIVELY flawed in that EXACT way, is just stupid. If you can't come up with a middle ground to compare to, no one is going to take you seriously.

Look at Skyrim. Look at the world. It's not "gimicky" but it's way more full of life and looks infinitely better and far less bland, because it has details, and diversity. Things feel like they could be real, rather than some shitty rolling hill that looks like every other square inch of the entire kingdom. The mountains look massive and imposing, sharp and striking compared to the rest of the world. Even the forests look more natural, not just a bunch of circular round rolling hills. The fog isn't the same shitty fog we've seen in games since the PS1 that just makes everything look like shit because it fades too fast and doesn't effect the sky, and looks incredibly artificial. The weather effects aren't awful, the buildings look more full of life and unique and most importantly the world feels like it has definition, like it has more than one attribute. The world of oblivion can be summed up with "rolling hills, some water, and a big tower. Sometimes there are firey gates to lava world." Skryim takes far more to give a good picture of.

And you also totally ignored the combat. Which is particularly dull, especially if you attempt to go with an all melee character. Things like chip damage, damage spongy enemies, incredibly low damage levels on melee weapons, latency leading to you swinging your weapon forty times after letting go and causing you to get hit because you can't interrupt with a block, incredibly simple enemy AI, all lead to Oblivion being a pretty terrible game in terms of combat. And little things like not having a way to shield against magic (everything was passive, it would have been really cool to be able to actually block most spells with a shield, and just have the shield take a lot of damage) ANd it was sluggish, because every enemy took like 30 hits to down, unless you were a mage, in which case you just went around obliterating everything, but without too much satisfaction because every spell was just the same thing with a different look.

@The_Nubster said:

3. The game is bland and lifeless. There werne't enough voice actors, the conversation were all the same, the daily routines were basically "walk here, talk about mudcrabs, walk here, talk about thieve's guild, go to bed".

You are so right, I forgot about all the rich voice acting in Morrowind...oh wait

Oblivion was a great, great game. I never played Morrowind and perhaps it makes oblvion look crappy, but regardless, Oblivion is fantastic. Maybe Morrowind is such a fantastic game it hurts Oblivion.

Oblivion was awesome. Morrowind was awesome. Skyrim will be awesome.

I liked Oblivion better than Morrowind. I will probably like Skyrim better than both of them combined. That's my guess.

I liked Oblivion just fine, but I will insist that the game was broken.
Morrowind was broken too, but the voice acting was better(mostly because there might as well have not been any, yes) and the visual style just popped more. Look at things like the Ordinator Armour or the Dwarven Ruins.
 
That being said, SKREEEEE!

There is no need to make everyone want to strike up a conversation with you

 Well, let's kill Bethesda with fire for not being so quick to decide what we "need" and making the effort to give us the choice. And not all of the characters in the game "want" to strike up a conversation with you. Many won't, unless you convince them. Some won't, no matter what.

it's alway sweird when no one is EVER in a shop, there is usually like, one guy in even the biggest of inns, and the streets are totally lifeless and empty. Just because the few AI the game had were more detailed than most, it doesn't help. The illusion doesn't work, end of story.

Second of all, the world felt bland because it completely lacked diversity within itself. All of the land was the same thing: rolling hills. Even the mountains were soft, and gentle. There was no detail to the world. Just grass, and 20 of the exact same trees all over the place. There were two types of terrain: grass, and snow. 

The dungeons weren't only all the same, but they looked terrible, and were layed out in the worst possible ways. But also, comparing it to DA2, which was MASSIVELY flawed in that EXACT way, is just stupid. 

Look at Skyrim. Look at the world. It's not "gimicky" but it's way more full of life and looks infinitely better and far less bland, because it has details, and diversity. 

Show me the diversity. So far I've seen Mountains, Mountains With Trees and the flat area around Whiterun. Which would make sense. So far, it appears to contain two-and-a-half of Oblivion's starkly different environments. Also, explain what you mean by "details". In one sense, Oblivion had details and in another sense, it didn't. No need to be vague.

The fog isn't the same shitty fog we've seen in games since the PS1 that just makes everything look like shit because it fades too fast and doesn't effect the sky, and looks incredibly artificial. The weather effects aren't awful, the buildings look more full of life and unique and most importantly the world feels like it has definition, like it has more than one attribute.  

 The world of oblivion can be summed up with "rolling hills, some water, and a big tower. Sometimes there are firey gates to lava world." Skryim takes far more to give a good picture of.

And you also totally ignored the combat. 

 ANd it was sluggish, because every enemy took like 30 hits to down

 How so? Takes about 5 hits for me. 15 or so with strong enemies like Daedroth and Land-Dreugh. I can't lodge this as a main complaint because it's NEVER happened to me, in my thousands of hours of playing -- unless I did something dumb like switch to using bows at level 25 when my Marksman skill was 6.

unless you were a mage, in which case you just went around obliterating everything, but without too much satisfaction because every spell was just the same thing with a different look.

I think a decent defense can be made for Oblivion over Morrowind, and certainly over other open-world RPGs. I prefer quality over quantity when it comes to dungeons, and I think this is true of most people. Or at least a healthy balance. In most of these areas, Oblivion is better than Morrowind, in my opinion. Not that it matters. These games are old. Dated. They don't matter much anymore. By contemporary standards, they both fall short of what we'd expect in a new game. It's like arguing over which stale crumbs taste best. Probably best to move on, unless we're talking about how past efforts effect future games. In which case ...
 
My only substantial problem with Bethesda's open-world RPG games is the sense of scale. I can deal with the other issues. Assassin's Creed actually does do this much better than Bethesda's games, and I wish Bethesda would learn those same lessons. The cities in Oblivion feel small, even though they're not small compared to other game offerings. They have very few people. I'd almost prefer they use the Assassin's creed model and have different areas, some of which are heavily populated and others which are more countryside. The truth is, we don't need more than incidental interactions with every NPC. In Oblivion, it seemed like eventually we talked to every single person in the city. The whole city. Like it or not, it makes the game world seem small. In AC, you literally could get lost in the city if it weren't for the map. In a game where every NPC is important eventually, you lose the sense of scale. I don't (and should) expect a quest (even a fetch quest) or even a short conversation from every tom-dick-and-harry on the street.
 
It's worse in games like Fallout New Vegas, where even though the Strip area really isn't small by gaming standards, it feels small because they've condensed the entire city to just a few buildings. The same happened with DC in Fallout 3. It felt like I was running around a miniature model of DC, not a real city.

@kashif1 said:

@MrKlorox said:

Don't forget about the way melee weapons go right through what you're trying to attack in Morrowind unless you stack your skill points into one of the weapon skills. I much prefer Oblivion's method of "you still hit them, but for ridiculously low damage," to Morrowind's "your sword went right through its head, but somehow you missed."

and there is most of the reason why i'll never play morrowind, the rest of the reason is that my computer sucks. Seriously though Oblivion needs no defence, its a good game with a bunch of nostalgia blinded haters.

I had almost no fun at all playing Oblivion. The horrid leveling system combined with the horrid level scaling made progression about as entertaining as sitting on a rabid porcupine. The act of negotiation is made painful with the inclusion of that stupid mood wheel, the imperial guards are implausible in their psychic nature (not to mention fucking annoying). I cleared maybe two Oblivion Gates total and had no desire to even approach a third, much less all the rest of them.

The most entertainment I got out of the game was starting from scratch, cranking the difficulty all the way down, going straight to the arena and cleaning it out in the span of half an hour. Second place was vampirism, but certain things like the sun, and once again those goddamn imperial guards drained the fun out of that one quick.

Seriously, though. Fuck those guards. How the hell did they know I had item in my inventory that I stole in an entirely different city with absolutely no one around to see me commit the crime?

And don't even think of this as the rant of a nostalgia-blinded fan of Morrowind, because I never played Morrowind or any other Elder Scrolls game prior to Oblivion.