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Microsoft Joins Bandwagon to Block Class Action Lawsuits

As with previous Terms of Service updates, you also have the option to opt out.

The slightly delayed dashboard went live yesterday, bringing with it big legal changes.
The slightly delayed dashboard went live yesterday, bringing with it big legal changes.

When updating to Microsoft’s new Xbox 360 dashboard, you’re also agreeing to an updated Terms of Service.

Not surprisingly, Microsoft has joined Sony and Electronic Arts in asking consumers to waive away their rights to participate in class action lawsuits against them, preferring individual arbitration that's way cheaper for the company, doesn't involve a jury and avoids headlines.

The notable tweaks begin in section 18.1 of the updated Terms of Service, the most important change being this section:

“YOU UNDERSTAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BY AGREEING TO BINDING ARBITRATION, YOU ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO LITIGATE (OR PARTICIPATE IN AS A PARTY OR CLASS MEMBER) ALL DISPUTES IN COURT BEFORE A JUDGE OR JURY. INSTEAD, YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT ALL DISPUTES WILL BE RESOLVED BEFORE A NEUTRAL ARBITRATOR.”

This language is similar to what both Sony rolled out after PlayStation Network suffered from a long outage, the result of a compromised network that exposed the personal information of tens of millions.

As with previous Terms of Service changes, however, you have the option to continue using the service, while also rejecting the changes made to your rights toward class action lawsuits.

“Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this contract, Microsoft agrees that if it makes any change to Section 18.1 (other than a change to the notice address in Section 18.1.3) while you are authorized to use the Service, you may reject the change by sending us written notice within 30 days of the change by U.S. Mail to the address in Section 18.1.3. By rejecting the change, you agree that you will informally negotiate and arbitrate any Dispute between us in accordance with the most recent version of Section 18.1 before the change you rejected.”

That address, by the way, is Microsoft Corporation, ATTN: LCA ARBITRATION, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052-6399, and you’re free to modify a template I created for the PSN incident that should work just fine in this situation, too.

Sony is the only company to publicly discuss the change, explaining it was only responding to a recent Supreme Court decision that allowed AT&T to prevent employees from engaging in class action lawsuits.

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We're still better off than China and other Communist/Muslim countries.

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@Three0neFive said:
Sony does it, "holy shit what the fuck its the end of times fuck you". Microsoft does it, "meh."   Gamer logic.
Logic logic. By this point, people who aren't gamers are starting to realize that this kind of thing was always only questionably legal to begin with, so sooner or later, this will be shot down by some agency of the government or other.
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@Hulsey90 said:

If I am outside the US can I still send this letter via US Mail? If so how?

You can, but you don't need to. According to this article, "these clauses are only relevant in the United States".
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@Deusoma: Thanks for clearing that up

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@randomfella21: It's their service, so of course they will enforce their own rights over the customers. What's funny is how blatantly juxtaposed the two are on there.

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Yay Europe bitches.

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Not that I was going to file a lawsuit or anything, but if everyone starts doing this, our legal system is gone for good. What is the point?

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Thank you Patrick. You are indeed one of the top men. I love how these companies produce a product and then change the terms each and every step of the way since 2006 and thinking... well if you don't want to agree, just don't use said product anymore. I mean come on, yeah, really rational.

Looks like I am sending out another letter today.

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What's the website that sent the letters out for you? Maybe they are doing one for this too.

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Seems Patrick was a bit quick to presume there was an opt out option. Microsoft has directly stated to Kotaku that you can't Opt Out:

Microsoft tells us you in fact cannot opt out of the agreement, and must sign on the dotted line to continue using Xbox Live. The terminology in the ToS used to "opt out" applies only to future changes made after this agreement, they say, not to this agreement itself. They also provided the following statement:

http://kotaku.com/5865797/now-microsoft-wants-to-stop-you-taking-them-to-court

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@Ehker said:

Seems Patrick was a bit quick to presume there was an opt out option. Microsoft has directly stated to Kotaku that you can't Opt Out:

Microsoft tells us you in fact cannot opt out of the agreement, and must sign on the dotted line to continue using Xbox Live. The terminology in the ToS used to "opt out" applies only to future changes made after this agreement, they say, not to this agreement itself. They also provided the following statement:

http://kotaku.com/5865797/now-microsoft-wants-to-stop-you-taking-them-to-court

Well that sucks, I hope Patrick updates this article.

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My only reason for being apathetic on this issue is that they haven't removed the ability to sue them completely. If my Xbox spontaneously explodes and burns down my home, I can still sue them. This only prevents class action lawsuits. And an extreme example like above is the only kind of reason I would sue anyways. If I was that unhappy with a service I can live without, I would just quit using that service. No need to go to court about it.

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Does Valve or EA have any legalese baked into their respective PC distribution platform EULA that's similar to what's going on here?

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@sp00kyfr0g said:

[...] I can still sue them. This only prevents class action lawsuits. [...]

Sorry, no.

"YOU ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO LITIGATE...ALL DISPUTES"

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gamersoptout.com

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Anyone want to take a guess what Windows 8 EULA is going to be like for US citizens? That won't be pretty.

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@CL60 said:

@BRNK said:

@CL60 said:

Who cares?

You and your apathetic ilk are the reason shit like this flies.

WHO CAAERS IF UR TRADING UR RIGHTS AWAY, IT E-Z.

@Rappelsiini said:

@CL60 said:

Who cares?

Why are you okay with MS taking away some of your rights?

Because it quite literally doesn't affect me and pretty much everybody else. So I really don't care.

This.

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@DG991 said:

Class action lawsuits are usually abusive to major companies anyways and divert money from actual useful things.

This doesn't stop you from suing Microsoft if they actually do something personally against you.

I don't see any problem with it.

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