" Guys: Team Fortress 2. "

" @gamb1t said:

" i noticed that majority of the people that prefer less classes HAVENT EVEN PLAYED OR EVER WILL PLAY BF2.   so instead of giving your stupid i never played bf2 but STFU STFU STFU STFU?  oh ya stfu no one cares your opinion is USELESS  oh ya this game is just getting worse and worse by the day. im greatly disappointed and at this moment i am NOT rebuilding a pc just for this. "

With comments like these rolling around, it's no wonder people can just call even the most constructive criticism to the changes "a load of bitch and whine".   As an experienced BF2-player I'll say this; "I'm Commander PhatSeeJay and I must respectfully ask you to gtfo and take your fail with you." "

I've always hated DICE's class/kit design. Absolutely awful. 
 
DICE should learn from Killzone 3 and Team Fortress 2--create some unique classes with their own proper objectives, abilities, and advantages in combat.

" I've always hated DICE's class/kit design. Absolutely awful.  DICE should learn from Killzone 3 and Team Fortress 2--create some unique classes with their own proper objectives, abilities, and advantages in combat. "

" @project343 said:

" I've always hated DICE's class/kit design. Absolutely awful.  DICE should learn from Killzone 3 and Team Fortress 2--create some unique classes with their own proper objectives, abilities, and advantages in combat. "

 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           we fear change "

" People are going to bitch about anything that makes this game different than Battlefield 2. "

I'm ready for whatever changes they make because that's how franchises evolve
 
as a huge fan of the Battlefield series (played an loved every battlefield game on PC, including bc2), I trust DICE knows wtf they are doing
  
all they basically need are vehicles, unlocks, cool maps, parachutes, and it'll be another fun battlefield game to play with the pals.

 I would prefer that they would go back to the old BF2 classes. Game was much more balanced and class equipment actually made sense. 
 
I have major gripes with the Medic and Assault class, Recon is questionable and Engineer is possibly the perfect class by blending Engineer and Anti-Tank which is completely fine for me.
 
Assault: I don't think they should be the ones passing out ammo especially since they get grenade launchers, it's not better than in Modern Warfare 2 someone doing the Army of One exploit.
Medics: It makes no sense for them to carry a Light Machine Gun, they should be carrying either SMGs or Carbine type weapons. 
Recon: Mortar is sort of lame, and if they do bring back the Commander feature then I assume this little item will go away. 
I feel as though Snipers shouldn't have C4 either, but instead a claymore. Though it is understandable in BFBC2 where the maps are primarily very close quarters based and being near an enemy armor is very common, but how often do you find yourself in BF2 in maps which are arguably larger than the conquest maps (at least) so close to armor, when you are sniping from a far and above? I didn't have that issue unless I ran further in towards flags in large maps or within the city limits of the infantry maps. (In BF2)
 
The major class balance issue from BF2 was that as an engineer you really couldn't defend yourself from long range enemies. You had Knife, Pistol, Shotgun, Mines, Grenade and a Wrench. With the SMGS added to the class which was what the anti-tank class in BF2 wielded. So the way I see it is BF3 class system ideally for me would be.
 
Assault: Standard issue Rifles, Grenade Launcher attachment, either a frag grenade, pistol and knife.
Medic: Carbine style rifle, Medkit, Frag Grenade, Defib, Pistol, Knife
Support: LMG, Ammo Box, Smoke Grenade, Pistol, Knife
Sniper: Sniper Rifle, Binoculars that can zoom out further for spotting, claymore, Frag, pistol, knife
Engineer: SMG, Wrench, Rocket, Pistol, Knife
Spec Op: Either Carbines or Light rifles (Differing from the ones available to Medics/Assault), C4, Frag, Pistol Knife.

You couldn't resupply your own grenade launcher as an assault class in BFBC2.

Assault: Standard issue Rifles, Grenade Launcher attachment, either a frag grenade, pistol and knife.
Medic: Carbine style rifle, Medkit, Frag Grenade, Defib, Pistol, Knife
Support: LMG, Ammo Box, Smoke Grenade, Pistol, Knife
Sniper: Sniper Rifle, Binoculars that can zoom out further for spotting, claymore, Frag, pistol, knife
Engineer: SMG, Wrench, Rocket, Pistol, Knife
Spec Op: Either Carbines or Light rifles (Differing from the ones available to Medics/Assault), C4, Frag, Pistol Knife. "

" @ElBarto said:

Assault: Standard issue Rifles, Grenade Launcher attachment, either a frag grenade, pistol and knife.
Medic: Carbine style rifle, Medkit, Frag Grenade, Defib, Pistol, Knife
Support: LMG, Ammo Box, Smoke Grenade, Pistol, Knife
Sniper: Sniper Rifle, Binoculars that can zoom out further for spotting, claymore, Frag, pistol, knife
Engineer: SMG, Wrench, Rocket, Pistol, Knife
Spec Op: Either Carbines or Light rifles (Differing from the ones available to Medics/Assault), C4, Frag, Pistol Knife. "

 Those sound sensible, but to be honest I still think there should be a pilot class armed with only a pistol who are the only class allowed to fly. At least that way when people choose to run around the airfield waiting for respawns they have a crippled kit. "

" @Impossibilium said:

" @ElBarto said:

Assault: Standard issue Rifles, Grenade Launcher attachment, either a frag grenade, pistol and knife.
Medic: Carbine style rifle, Medkit, Frag Grenade, Defib, Pistol, Knife
Support: LMG, Ammo Box, Smoke Grenade, Pistol, Knife
Sniper: Sniper Rifle, Binoculars that can zoom out further for spotting, claymore, Frag, pistol, knife
Engineer: SMG, Wrench, Rocket, Pistol, Knife
Spec Op: Either Carbines or Light rifles (Differing from the ones available to Medics/Assault), C4, Frag, Pistol Knife. "

 Those sound sensible, but to be honest I still think there should be a pilot class armed with only a pistol who are the only class allowed to fly. At least that way when people choose to run around the airfield waiting for respawns they have a crippled kit. "

All that'll do is prevent people camping the airfield from doing anything useful. With a standard kit, at least they have an option to leave the airfield in a scout vehicle and go be useful. And don't say only noobs go for aircraft, because I'm 2:1 kdr in BC2 and I always rush for the heli at the start of the match. Chopper gunner is fun stuff, man. "

"Assault: Standard issue Rifles, Grenade Launcher attachment, either a frag grenade, pistol and knife.
Medic: Carbine style rifle, Medkit, Frag Grenade, Defib, Pistol, Knife
Support: LMG, Ammo Box, Smoke Grenade, Pistol, Knife
Sniper: Sniper Rifle, Binoculars that can zoom out further for spotting, claymore, Frag, pistol, knife
Engineer: SMG, Wrench, Rocket, Pistol, Knife
Spec Op: Either Carbines or Light rifles (Differing from the ones available to Medics/Assault), C4, Frag, Pistol Knife. "

" @ElBarto said:

"Assault: Standard issue Rifles, Grenade Launcher attachment, either a frag grenade, pistol and knife.
Medic: Carbine style rifle, Medkit, Frag Grenade, Defib, Pistol, Knife
Support: LMG, Ammo Box, Smoke Grenade, Pistol, Knife
Sniper: Sniper Rifle, Binoculars that can zoom out further for spotting, claymore, Frag, pistol, knife
Engineer: SMG, Wrench, Rocket, Pistol, Knife
Spec Op: Either Carbines or Light rifles (Differing from the ones available to Medics/Assault), C4, Frag, Pistol Knife. "

I am very against the idea of a class that has no teamwork function, which is what a general assault class is. Why can't the medic have an LMG? Because BF2 didn't do it that way? I don't think a support class needs to exist personally just to be the "ammo guy". More specialized classes means teamwork and coordination become really important, which never happens in public play. However, I do agree that the spec ops class needs to make a return, because spreading that function out between the Engineer and Recon never made sense to me. "

" You couldn't resupply your own grenade launcher as an assault class in BFBC2. "

"Hurr drr i can't beat a tank as a sniper, therefore the game is not fun and unbalanced" 
 
Nice op, flawless logic.

" You couldn't resupply your own grenade launcher as an assault class in BFBC2. "

" "Hurr drr i can't beat a tank as a sniper, therefore the game is not fun and unbalanced"  Nice op, flawless logic. "  

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" @project343 said:

" I've always hated DICE's class/kit design. Absolutely awful.  DICE should learn from Killzone 3 and Team Fortress 2--create some unique classes with their own proper objectives, abilities, and advantages in combat. "

 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           we fear change "

Change needs to happen to Battlefield. Weapon kits are a thing of the past--one of two directions needs to be taken with Battlefield: either overhaul classes into very strict, very unique definitions, or have fully customizable weapon kits. Either down the Team Fortress route, or the Call of Duty route.   Also, remove the default 'assault' class. All classes should be equally effective in one-on-one combat. One should not take offensive precedence over others. "

" @ElBarto:  I have a huge problem with your realism argument simply because this is a game we are talking about. As far as removing the ammo box so you cant spam stuff, I really never notice that as much of a problem in BC2, especially with the grenade launchers because the kill radius is so small. "

" @jmrwacko said:

" You couldn't resupply your own grenade launcher as an assault class in BFBC2. "

Yes you can, i do it all the time because im a bad person.  
 
@Jace said:

" "Hurr drr i can't beat a tank as a sniper, therefore the game is not fun and unbalanced"  Nice op, flawless logic. "  

Read more, and don't get me started on snipers. Ghilli suit wearing pricks... if they could do something useful they'd be pretty dandy. 

" @ElBarto:  I didn't say that, I said that its not really a good excuse for cutting ammo boxes from assaults because it kills the teamwork aspect that BC2 tried to foster. "