I dunno. I've got this suspicious inkling that this game's going to be really successful. With alot of people (me included) who aren't satisfied with MW2 and after trying the demo I've gone from not interested to day one buy. Anyone else feel the same? I find myself having alot of "OH SHIT WHAT THE HELL!!" moments in the demo and it's just awesome. The sniping feels good without being overpowered since you can only really hit still targets or ones running in a strait line for a long period of time. The vehicles feel powerful without being indestructable. The destructable terrain and cover is really interesting for an online shooter, especialy one with maps this size. It really does make a difference. One match a wall just happened to have a little chunk blown out of it just the right size for me to point my gun out of it while the next match it got destroyed in 30 seconds making me have to go somewhere else.
 
I think it's going to be a perfect storm for this game.. it's coming at the right time where MW2's starting to get pretty old, it's improoved alot on the first game and the demo leaves a very good impression, I think BC2's going to be one of the best sellers this year and a few weeks ago it wasn't even on my radar.

I don't know if you could classify it as a sleeper.  Honestly in my opinion I could see it ending up being more of a disappointment than a true sleeper simply because the gaming community is pretty excited about it but the general community not buying it because they are happy with MW2.  Plus you have to look at all the other games coming out that could take away sales from it.  I think it will sell well probably somewhere in the 2-4 million range this year.  Watch out Pachter I am coming for your job.

Though I found that my experience with the BC2 demo wasn't all that fantastic, you have a good point. I'm almost certain that a good number of MW2 players are going to hop onto this, especially considering that there's so much more to do in Bad Company 2 compared to Modern Warfare 2.

I guess my inkling is me just hoping it's good and hoping it'll do well. Of course the full game isn't out yet so we don't know for sure how it'll balance out with all the perks and guns there'll be.

Eh, not for me anyways.  I've been looking forward to it since it was announced.  I loved the first one.

A lot of people who were going to buy MW2, until the no dedicated servers thing, are probably going to buy BC2.

Stop using terminology you dont understand.

" @Rowr: Ok, sorry.  This is why I post alot and rarely make threads. What was I thinking. "

After sinking some time into the demo I have to say I'm quite impressed. However I do have a number of issues: 
 
-I was getting just as much enjoyment out of playing BF1943. 
-I was getting more enjoyment out of playing BF2
-I do find movement a huge pain in the ass. I can't help but compare it to MW2 - but that game has the movement down to a T. By comparison BC2 feels clunky. 
-Sniping is pretty bad, shots to the upper torso should be a kill, I remember using the semi-auto and having to shoot a guy five or six times. Not impressed.
 
I don't think it will overtake MW2 as the most played game on Live for more than a short period of time after its release. I'm at the moment considering getting a PS3, and if I do I'll pick this up as there are a number of friends of mine who have the console. Little to no interest in the single player.

This definitely won't be a sleeper hit, there will be plenty of people playing this.

"-Sniping is pretty bad, shots to the upper torso should be a kill, I remember using the semi-auto and having to shoot a guy five or six times. Not impressed. "

" @Alexander said:

"-Sniping is pretty bad, shots to the upper torso should be a kill, I remember using the semi-auto and having to shoot a guy five or six times. Not impressed. "

I think if the sniping was any more powerful in this game than it is it would be unplayable. Due to a lack of any competent mid - long range guns, it feels like the sniper is used alot. More one hit kills would be incredibly frustrating. "

I agree with the part about it being sort of a perfect storm.   It will probably sell faster than a lot of people are expecting, but yeah it's not a sleeper.
@Rowr said:

" The controls feel improved over the first, but 50 percent of the time it feels like they arent doing what i want. "

" Sniping is pretty bad, shots to the upper torso should be a kill, I remember using the semi-auto and having to shoot a guy five or six times. Not impressed. "

The way I snipe is to always mark the target first (back button on 360, I guess select on PS3), then if you aim for the centre of the red arrow you're almost always garanteed a 1-hit kill headshot. Try it, it really does work. Makes sniping a whole lot easier.

-Sniping is pretty bad, shots to the upper torso should be a kill, I remember using the semi-auto and having to shoot a guy five or six times. Not impressed

Sleeper hit?! It's a Battlefield game! How on earth does that class as a sleeper?!

" @pause422: I was using the semi-auto, over a long range it took no less than five shots to kill a guy. Perhaps I'm mistaken and I hit someone else also, but generally speaking there were a number of times when I got a bit flustered at having to shoot someone more than once in the upper body to kill them. Another time, I was on a hill sniping - getting a bunch of assists because the sniper next to me was cleaning up after I put a bullet to someone. "

@Alexander Dude I feel like you're problems with it(just saying btw, no need to think I'm calling you out or insulting you) are that this games sniping isn't like Call of Duty, and you're using that as a criticism.  If thats the case, there really isn't anything anyone can say or do for you. I myself, find this to be the most satisfying sniper in a game in recent history, mainly a MP game. Compensating for bullet drop and long range shots, pulling off marksman headshots from distances that are a longer range than entire maps in modern warfare, is really satisfying.  I find that hold your breathe garbage entirely gimmicky, and sniping in those games so easy I don't find it satisfying at all, just boring.
 
As far as taking more than 1 body shot, use the bolt action rifle then I would say, its far better to me anyway, since it actually has good power behind it and pulling off 1 shot kills is rather much easier than the Type 88. That gun though, you have to understand has a good amount of rounds and is very accurate even when someone were to spam it, so if it was just a single body shot kill it would entirely make the bolt action rifles useless and void to use.
 
 
@Scooper I meant nothing negative towards you with my apparent"miss use" of the term, but as you stated,  it seems thats what you were referring to, and many people will assume the same thing.

Right now I believe that Darksiders is the sleeper hit of the year. Nobody really understood how good it was until the game came out. Bad Company 2 though have seem quite solid for a long time. The only thing we want to know is HOW good it will be. A sleepet hit? No.

The sniping is god awful in this game, but everything else is pretty much awesome. I'll be buying this game because the multiplayer is totally nuts; every game is guaranteed to have at least 1 insane moment that makes you go "OMGWTF"

I normally hate playing online FPS's but playing the demo yesterday got me interested, I guess I'll way for reviews

I really liked the first one, and one time I let my friend borrow it, and he never gave it back. (NEVER let your friends borrow your games!) so I've been itching to play bad company for a while. I really enjoyed the demo, so I'm definitely picking this up, probably along with GoW 3.

I don't think it'll steal the same crowd from MW that MW stole from Halo. But I do think it will do better than people expect compared to the first Bad Company.
 
edit: Also from what I read, the PS3 and 360 aiming controls feel pretty different. I do know that I think the 360's aiming curve for this game is poorly implemented compared to how it is in MW2. If you happen to have both consoles, give the demo on the other platform a try and see how it feels.

It definitly will outsell it's predecessor, which sold about 2 million copies at fullprice. Must have sold quite some more, since it has been released on PSN and XBL. BF is a huge franchise on PC and it's the first BF game in 3 years for the PC crowd, outside of BF Heroes. Will certainly sell very well there too. Since I'm a fan and believe the BF:BC is one of the most underappreciated games ever (multiplayer wise), I'm hoping BF:BC 2 will be a breakout success. I'd really love to see it sell around 10 million units.
 
I too believe BF:BC 2 hits a pretty good release window. DICE might just pull it off. Gameplay-wise - I'm already more than satisfied. The Beta and Demo are tight!

I found out I liked the game far more than any other shooters I had, so it's not really a sleeper for me anymore. I do plan on getting it day 1 too. It's pretty exciting looking at the weapon unlocks and knowing you can't unlock them until the full game. I really wanna get the game just for those unlocks.

"It definitly will outsell it's predecessor, which sold about 2 million copies at fullprice. Must have sold quite some more, since it has been released on PSN and XBL. BF is a huge franchise on PC and it's the first BF game in 3 years for the PC crowd, outside of BF Heroes. Will certainly sell very well there too. Since I'm a fan and believe the BF:BC is one of the most underappreciated games ever (multiplayer wise), I'm hoping BF:BC 2 will be a breakout success. I'd really love to see it sell around 10 million units.  I too believe BF:BC 2 hits a pretty good release window. DICE might just pull it off. Gameplay-wise - I'm already more than satisfied. The Beta and Demo are tight! "

Sleeper? Maybe in comparison to MW2 yeah but either way this game I hope won't involve so much COD Kiddies going to check out this game. Maybe by being silenced by the shadow of MW2's insane waste of advertising (people would buy the game anyway), maybe it'll be doing us a favour as all the kids will stick with MW2.

It'll be a proper hit.

It won't be a sleeper's hit. A sleeper's hit is when a game is very sucessful but doesn't receive much attention or publicity, despire good professional and peer reviews.
 
I think what you're looking for is "commericial disappointment" or something along those lines. It will sell well since it is a Battlefield game, but not as nearly as much as the developers would have wished (especially considering that a few of their messages indicate that they are going to take on the beast MW2).

I bet it sells 1 million in the first 2 weeks. it doesn't have the marketing behind it that CoD did, but the hardcore FPS community is loving the beta.

Don't see it as a sleeper when it's being hyped as the best shooter of the year.  It has a potential of being one of the best games of the year but we'll have to see how the other game modes pan out and how the single player story fleshes out the game.

hmmm it may be considered a sleeper hit but, it's way too early to tell. There are so many more games coming this year that judging a game that's coming out at the start of the year is a bad idea.

Sleeper?...No, not at all. 
 
Never mind, saw your post about it being a sleeper for you. I love Battlefield games, and I've put an inordinate amount of time into the beta/demo, so I'm sure I'll love the game.

Actually, yes, I could see it acting like a sleeper hit to some extent.  I mean, obviously it's already anticipated amongst us lot - but there's that whole other audience much larger than us that makes the difference between ~2 million sales and 5+ million.  If it turns out as good as it looks, I think there's a real chance word-of-mouth could bridge that gap and keep sales ticking over beyond the initial launch.

"I don't know if you could classify it as a sleeper.  Honestly in my opinion I could see it ending up being more of a disappointment than a true sleeper simply because the gaming community is pretty excited about it but the general community not buying it because they are happy with MW2.  Plus you have to look at all the other games coming out that could take away sales from it.  I think it will sell well probably somewhere in the 2-4 million range this year.  Watch out Pachter I am coming for your job. "

The Bf:BC2 boyscouts annoy me more than the CoD:MW2 humpers.
 
Just playing Bf:BC2 demo till CoD:MW2 gets its patch for X360. I detest the shaking, only should happen with explosions fired by the enemies hitting nearby you and that map layout is horrible; you never give defenders a transport helicopter (Blackhawk). They really nerfed the vehicles by taking out the cool-down timers.

This is Battlefield. It's expected to sell.

It's not sleeper for you but it's sleeper for the general gaming consumer. It's garanteed to do well but Jimbo hit the nail on the head with what I think and didn't say very well.
 
@Jimbo said:

" Actually, yes, I could see it acting like a sleeper hit to some extent.  I mean, obviously it's already anticipated amongst us lot - but there's that whole other audience much larger than us that makes the difference between ~2 million sales and 5+ million.  If it turns out as good as it looks, I think there's a real chance word-of-mouth could bridge that gap and keep sales ticking over beyond the initial launch. "

I don't think it counts as a sleeper.  It's a sequel to a successful, well-received game.

" @sopranosfan said:

"I don't know if you could classify it as a sleeper.  Honestly in my opinion I could see it ending up being more of a disappointment than a true sleeper simply because the gaming community is pretty excited about it but the general community not buying it because they are happy with MW2.  Plus you have to look at all the other games coming out that could take away sales from it.  I think it will sell well probably somewhere in the 2-4 million range this year.  Watch out Pachter I am coming for your job. "

Obviously doesnt know what "sleeper" means. brbrbrbrbrb "