He brings up a good point, but the game he helped make wasnt exactly "ground breaking". But, this is probly cause the twits he mentioned would bitch if anything was changed.

"@ryanwho said:

" @danimal_furry said:

" I don't see anything wrong with the general message he is sending. If a series stagnates, people complain. If a franchise tries to freshen up with new and creative ideas, people complain. He wasn't addressing the gameplay issues in his comment. He was merely responding to the criticism against creativity in the gaming industry, and making a correct point that without this creativity games would all be a generic and boring mess. Sometimes the "new ideas" don't work, but they have to try something fresh every now and then.     "

Its just, Treyarch have never been creative. Let a creative dev say this. Treyarch just let IW try new things then they copy and expand on that. Unless they think their zombie mode was innovative, lol. They're part of the problem, then they complain about a problem they propagate. Its silly. Let Platinum say this, they earned the right. "

I gotcha. Good point. "

I think it's funny seeing someone from Treyarch talk about creativity.

"Hey guys, how do you like Call of Rehash 32? What's that? FUCK YOU GUYS YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT CREATIVITY YOU UNCULTURED SWINE WE RULE "

He's right, but coming from him its a little unwarranted since Treyarch is hardly at the forefront of innovation.

To all you people saying that he's right. 
 
How is he right? Most of his complaints are coming from angry gamers. Those angry gamers that I've seen bashing just Black Ops makes a very good point on what they're saying. First off, the game is not innovative at all. You're seeing the same kind of action sequences you see in past Call of Duties. It's also been proven that you can play the first level on a hard difficulty without shooting your gun.  
 
Second, there have been major about the problems with the PC and PS3 version of Black Ops. Now, I bought Black Ops on the PC maybe a week after release and when I started playing, there was horrible stuttering and lag issues. Now, I didn't complain then because I'm a patient man. I did follow the Black Ops forums on the Call of Duty website and on Steam. Pretty much everyone has been having this same problem. A lot of people were voicing their problems, but most of them were saying "be patient, they will fix it". Exactly what I was doing. Come 2 months later and a couple of tiny patches down the road and still no problems fixed. People are still experiencing major stuttering. 
 
Now, I can understand the CM has a point if it's people bashing on the game without even playing it, but apparently that's not the case. The people that our voicing their opinions angrily are the people that are experiencing the major problems with the game. And that's why I agree with them 100%.

Actually, he's totally right that gamers are pessimistic dicks for the sake of being pessimistic dicks. It doesn't help that several of our greatest personalities focus on the negative as parts of their careers (Yahtzee and the Angry Video Game Nerd, even if the latter actually admits that he likes a game, from time to time), and even people who don't focus on the negative, like Alex Navarro or Jeff Gerstmann, are mainly remembered for the negative.

" @ryanwho: But isn't he saying that the reason they don't innovate is because people would get all up in arms about it? "

"  It’s a creative industry – the most creative form of entertainment in existence." 
 
rofl, ok josh. whatever you say. 

he is right but it's just there are problems that people complain about. they aren't to creative. treyarch just remakes what infinity ward made. call of duty 4 -> world at war -> modern warfare 2 -> black ops. they just expanded what infinity ward's ideas are. i do think that black ops was good. 
 
they suck with the PC support. the port was bad and there isn't much support on fixing things.

Whether or not he's right he's really not in a position to say that as a guy from Treyarch. 
 
You know? The guys who always trailed behind IW using their tech? 
 
Talk about stagnant.

Umm, who exactly are these "too many" developers who are allegedly trying new things and then getting burned for it?  Treyarch sure as shit isn't one of them.
 
I see plenty of people (and I am one of them) ragging on the industry for making the same shit over and over again, but I rarely see people rip developers for being too creative or innovative.  I'm more forgiving than most about games that are rough around the edges, but even when people do rip these so-called creative games, it's not because they're creative or innovative, it's because often the developer treats this creativity as an excuse for the rest of the game being borderline broken.  It's not enough to just innovate in a vacuum, you do still actually have to build a good game around that innovation in order to be successful.

I appreciate creative design in video games, just not his games :)

" @Enigma777 said:

" He's right... "

This. Regardless of the creative merits of the Call of Duty franchise, he speaks the truth. "

" Umm, who exactly are these "too many" developers who are allegedly trying new things and then getting burned for it?  Treyarch sure as shit isn't one of them.  I see plenty of people (and I am one of them) ragging on the industry for making the same shit over and over again, but I rarely see people rip developers for being too creative or innovative.  I'm more forgiving than most about games that are rough around the edges, but even when people do rip these so-called creative games, it's not because they're creative or innovative, it's because often the developer treats this creativity as an excuse for the rest of the game being borderline broken.  It's not enough to just innovate in a vacuum, you do still actually have to build a good game around that innovation in order to be successful. "

What he says rings true to up to a point, but it's just so hard not to laugh when it's coming from him.

"It'll be a bit of a tl;dr for most of you, so here's the relevant paragraph"

I certainly don't. My friends and I regularly denounce popular games as shit once we get bored of them regardless of their creative quality. If I'm not having fun, I fail to recognize the creative aspect.

Now that is an ironic statement :D
 
Also, did he forgot that gaming industry is starting to think more about money then anything else, or has i never changed?
dun- dun, DUN!

I just want a fucking COD4 game with new guns & maps is that so hard to do!
 
No it's not!

I like how people on this thread seem to confuse creativity and technical issues. Good job everybody. 
Anyway, I think Mr. Olin speaks the truth

" He is absolutely right. Everyone is too focused on shitting on everything that doesn't go perfectly right and don't take the time to appreciate all the brilliant games we get to play every month. It seems people prefer to complain about games than play them. It's kind of ridiculous.  Also, everyone's funny quips about Treyarch are exactly proving his point.... "

Just because they make COD games doesn't mean they have to re-skin IW games. They could make changes to the COD franchise, but instead they just wait for IW to push the franchise forward then just copy them the next year.

" @Doctorchimp said:

" He's right, well generally speaking...  BUT FUCKING TREYARCH SHOULDN'T OPEN THEIR FUCKING MOUTHS "

You should quit writing on those forums maybe.  "Treyarch hate" is so stupid... On the other hand people then praise Infinity Ward and MW2 like it's baby jesus or something. "

Polish > Creativity.  I never understood why uniqueness makes a game's jank more excusable.