Fable III
Game » consists of 16 releases. Released Oct 26, 2010
The third game in the Fable series sets you with the task of overthrowing your own brother, the tyrant ruler of Albion, as the kingdom enters the industrial era.
Convince me that Yahtzee is wrong
(yo, spoilers inside)
Watched it? Good.
Now I haven't played Fable 3. And I know that when I play a game and watch Yahtzee's reviews I usually have an "OK, but" moment where I can pretty much identify why things were done the way they were, whether it worked out or not. So can somebody explain to me in what way Yahtzee is wrong about the way that Fable 3 ends.
But it's fun. And funny.
Also, he didn't even talk about the real problems with that game, like the near-useless map, and the framerate troubles.
" Because Yahtzee is an arrogant dick and if you value his opinion that much you're probably a lost cause already? "This. I mean, his videos are funny, but he complains about everything. I don't think I've ever seen him say a game is good (though aside from that Fable III one, I haven't watched any of his stuff in YEARS).
Well, there was Portal." @mazik765 said:
" Because Yahtzee is an arrogant dick and if you value his opinion that much you're probably a lost cause already? "This. I mean, his videos are funny, but he complains about everything. I don't think I've ever seen him say a game is good (though aside from that Fable III one, I haven't watched any of his stuff in YEARS). "
EDIT: but none of this is useful, because I'm curious about the specific way in which he might be wrong. I'm not pretending that the game ends well (I've certainly heard lots of bitching) but I'm wondering if there is any point on which he has seriously missed the mark.
God damn you Peter Molenyeux. Way to take a good idea and screw it up.
Just build up enough money without doing any of the king stuff. Then you'll be fine.
" Watched it and it bored me to death. How anybody finds him funny is ridiculous. "I'm really not sure why some people don't think he is funny. *shrug*
I don't understand why some people don't realize that Yathzee is playing a character and has determined before he even starts playing a game that he'll be a dick about it in the review. Cause that's his thing. That's what he does. He used to be positive about games in his old reviews, but people didn't like that, so he stopped.
I'm amazed people get offended by Yahtzee. His video's are supposed to be a lighthearted ribbing of any game whether it's a hit or not. It's like a roast for video games. If you don't find him funny thats cool, but getting offended by him would be like getting offended by Greg Giraldo (RIP).
Why does every thread about Yahtzee's opinion come down to people either saying "I think Yahtzee is funny" or "I don not think Yahtzee is funny"?
The fact is, if you read his blog Extra Punctuation its pretty clear that what he is doing is an odd combination of serious criticism and overly-agressive comedy. He has some very detailed views about stuff that he mentions in the videos that goes beyond mere trolling. Not that he doesn't do that too.
The point is that by emphasizing the negative to an extreme, Yahtzee provides a viewpoint that allows you to examine games in a very productive way. Even if he is ultimately wrong about something, that tells you something meaningful as well.
" Watched it and it bored me to death. How anybody finds him funny is ridiculous. "It was funny before he started taking on well-liked games an complained about them being the worst shit ever and then inserting an "oh by the way, I liked the game" at the end.
" Yahtzee may only criticise games, but at least he knows how to critique games, unlike almost all the game critics who are currently working. "This is somewhat true. I think that what Yahtzee does is a lot less like a product review and feels a lot more like artistic criticism. which is pretty much directly opposed to every other game reviewer ever.
Wrong as in for this one game? Or wrong as "in general". I rarely agree with this guy, and I find notions of people considering him a "reviewer" kinda strange. Clearly he has a very specific taste in games, which is commendable. It's when he's matched with something that obviously isn't going to jive with his very jaded personal bias, that his little verbal sessions usually write themselves. Sometimes having a vocal negative view-point on a popular game is healthy, especially given what feels like a white-wash of opinions when it comes to certain games with reviews.
I don't like heavy contrarian exclamations though, and his opinions usually run the gambit of an honest insight to something wrong, and being a troll.
Oh, and he's not funny. :/
Oh man, I went back to actually watch the video and that was actually quite funny.
Also I think Fable games are shit.
" Wrong as in for this one game? Or wrong as "in general". "Well the topic in the Fable 3 board, and there is a link to his review of Fable 3...
Fable 3 was panned across the board, and many of the reviews cited the end-game to be a big deal-breaker. So yes, he's more or less in line with everyone else.
"Because Yahtzee is an arrogant dick and if you value his opinion that much you're probably a lost cause already? "
He's right about pretty much everything
And I've noticed that people like the opportunity to disagree with Yahtzee.
" I'm amazed people get offended by Yahtzee. His video's are supposed to be a lighthearted ribbing of any game whether it's a hit or not. It's like a roast for video games. If you don't find him funny thats cool, but getting offended by him would be like getting offended by Greg Giraldo (RIP). "Yet he gets mad if you don't take his opinion seriously.
" @jukezypoo said:" Yahtzee may only criticise games, but at least he knows how to critique games, unlike almost all the game critics who are currently working. "This is somewhat true. I think that what Yahtzee does is a lot less like a product review and feels a lot more like artistic criticism. which is pretty much directly opposed to every other game reviewer ever. "
What he does is show why the majority of games today aren't everything they could be, and why they shouldn't be held in such high regard. In this case Fable III is not only the worst game in the series, it's also just another fable. Who really cares.
All yahtzee does is protest to better games, he's giving an opinion and in most cases he's right. People who don't like him, or say not to take him seriously just don't understand the fucking point. They also seem to forget he himself is a freelance game writer and he just wants people to hold games to a higher regard. Something that will never happen when we keep praising things with such stupid plots/plot holes as the game in question right now.
" @Brendan said:Example?" I'm amazed people get offended by Yahtzee. His video's are supposed to be a lighthearted ribbing of any game whether it's a hit or not. It's like a roast for video games. If you don't find him funny thats cool, but getting offended by him would be like getting offended by Greg Giraldo (RIP). "Yet he gets mad if you don't take his opinion seriously. "
This is to everyone on Giantbomb. Next time you decide to start a thread and start it with "convince me...", punch yourself in the face. Please.
It's fucking Fable man.
Give it a rent, and forget about it. There's nothing special here.
Just to name a few. He did a best and worst of 2010 video recently, if you want to know what he liked in 2010 (one of his favorites of 2010 being Amnesia Dark Descent).
Just letting ya know cus you said you didn't know.
He actually reviewed Psychonauts years ago (around when he first started) and couldn't think of a mean thing to say about it- which he mentions in the review that its odd for him so if I remember he nit picks at the game then goes on to say that the game is actually good despite any of its flaws. Something like that.
" @mazik765 said:Then you have not watched all his videos. There are about three games he adores." Because Yahtzee is an arrogant dick and if you value his opinion that much you're probably a lost cause already? "This. I mean, his videos are funny, but he complains about everything. I don't think I've ever seen him say a game is good (though aside from that Fable III one, I haven't watched any of his stuff in YEARS). "
" This is to everyone on Giantbomb. Next time you decide to start a thread and start it with "convince me...", punch yourself in the face. Please. "Why? It seems pretty healthy to me. This whole open-mindedness thing. And asking for input on things. Letting people voice their opinions...
@xaLieNxGrEyx said:
" @nintendoeats: It's fucking Fable man. Give it a rent, and forget about it. There's nothing special here. "
Yeeeeeeeeeeah. Or I could play the several other games on my listand wait until some time when its cheap and I don't have any games on the go. In my books "Nothing to see here" = wait until it costs 10 bucks and play it for 3 hours or so. But I have specific reasons for being that way.
" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2652-Fable-3 (yo, spoilers inside) Watched it? Good. Now I haven't played Fable 3. And I know that when I play a game and watch Yahtzee's reviews I usually have an "OK, but" moment where I can pretty much identify why things were done the way they were, whether it worked out or not. So can somebody explain to me in what way Yahtzee is wrong about the way that Fable 3 ends. "An opinion, wrong? What land do i live in.
" @nintendoeats said:Opinions can be wrong if they are based on false premises." http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2652-Fable-3 (yo, spoilers inside) Watched it? Good. Now I haven't played Fable 3. And I know that when I play a game and watch Yahtzee's reviews I usually have an "OK, but" moment where I can pretty much identify why things were done the way they were, whether it worked out or not. So can somebody explain to me in what way Yahtzee is wrong about the way that Fable 3 ends. "An opinion, wrong? What land do i live in. "
Forgot to give my input to OP. Sorry.
Just wanted to say I cant really endorse buying or playing Fable 3. I haven't played it, so my opinion immediately is void, but I gave up on Lionhead when they turned into con artists by making Fable 2 have no ending, and releasing DLC that only advertised they'd be making Fable 3.
I have no respect anymore for Peter Molyneaux or Lionhead (for more reasons then listed, I'm just keeping it short).
That's all I'm gonna say, i've actually said it many times before so I don't wanna get off on a rant =P
" @EveretteScott said:" @nintendoeats said:Opinions can be wrong if they are based on false premises. "" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2652-Fable-3 (yo, spoilers inside) Watched it? Good. Now I haven't played Fable 3. And I know that when I play a game and watch Yahtzee's reviews I usually have an "OK, but" moment where I can pretty much identify why things were done the way they were, whether it worked out or not. So can somebody explain to me in what way Yahtzee is wrong about the way that Fable 3 ends. "An opinion, wrong? What land do i live in. "
Like Christianity
Ohhhh opened the shit storm box
" @nintendoeats said:Well, technically the two things are not comparable because whether or not there is a personal god is statement of fact, not a value judgment. An objective fact can still be correct even if you argue it badly, an opinion built on falsehood is just inherently wrong." @EveretteScott said:Like Christianity Ohhhh opened the shit storm box "" @nintendoeats said:Opinions can be wrong if they are based on false premises. "" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2652-Fable-3 (yo, spoilers inside) Watched it? Good. Now I haven't played Fable 3. And I know that when I play a game and watch Yahtzee's reviews I usually have an "OK, but" moment where I can pretty much identify why things were done the way they were, whether it worked out or not. So can somebody explain to me in what way Yahtzee is wrong about the way that Fable 3 ends. "An opinion, wrong? What land do i live in. "
But yeah, why did you open that box anyway?
" @vidiot said:Fair enough, but I doubt that you'll find a legitimate counter-point that "he" brings up." Wrong as in for this one game? Or wrong as "in general". "Well the topic in the Fable 3 board, and there is a link to his review of Fable 3... "
Fable 3 has tons of problems, and nothing negative that Yahtzee brings up in this review is new.
"Forgot to give my input to OP. Sorry. Just wanted to say I cant really endorse buying or playing Fable 3. I haven't played it, so my opinion immediately is void, but I gave up on Lionhead when they turned into con artists by making Fable 2 have no ending, and releasing DLC that only advertised they'd be making Fable 3. I have no respect anymore for Peter Molyneaux or Lionhead (for more reasons then listed, I'm just keeping it short). That's all I'm gonna say, i've actually said it many times before so I don't wanna get off on a rant =P "
You can sleep tonight knowing everything you just said is entirely true.
Also I gave up on it all when Peter M. said Fable was going to be the end all be all RPG and make FF look like a kids toy or something.
He seemed to fail to realize that FFVI, VII and IX (not getting into the VII arguement) are closer to masterpieces then his fuckstick of view can ever hope to acomplish.
Also Chrono Trigger/Cross says hi Molyneaux you stupid cunt. Dumbass didn't want to make RPG's he wanted to make the fucking Sims with swords.
" @nintendoeats said:And that's what I wanted to know." @vidiot said:Fair enough, but I doubt that you'll find a legitimate counter-point that "he" brings up. Fable 3 has tons of problems, and nothing negative that Yahtzee brings up in this review is new. "" Wrong as in for this one game? Or wrong as "in general". "Well the topic in the Fable 3 board, and there is a link to his review of Fable 3... "
" @xaLieNxGrEyx said:" @nintendoeats said:Well, technically the two things are not comparable because whether or not there is a personal god is statement of fact, not a value judgment. An objective fact can still be correct even if you argue it badly, an opinion built on falsehood is just inherently wrong." @EveretteScott said:Like Christianity Ohhhh opened the shit storm box "" @nintendoeats said:Opinions can be wrong if they are based on false premises. "" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2652-Fable-3 (yo, spoilers inside) Watched it? Good. Now I haven't played Fable 3. And I know that when I play a game and watch Yahtzee's reviews I usually have an "OK, but" moment where I can pretty much identify why things were done the way they were, whether it worked out or not. So can somebody explain to me in what way Yahtzee is wrong about the way that Fable 3 ends. "An opinion, wrong? What land do i live in. "
But yeah, why did you open that box anyway? "
Don't worry, you just closed it. Touche.
However I'll protect to the death that it was still funny.
" @vidiot said:Sorry about this, I need some more clarification: Why the emphasis on Yahtzee?" @nintendoeats said:And that's what I wanted to know. "" @vidiot said:Fair enough, but I doubt that you'll find a legitimate counter-point that "he" brings up. Fable 3 has tons of problems, and nothing negative that Yahtzee brings up in this review is new. "" Wrong as in for this one game? Or wrong as "in general". "Well the topic in the Fable 3 board, and there is a link to his review of Fable 3... "
Why isn't the question about Fable 3 review's in general? I've watched this review twice now trying to find something new, and out-side of some negative metaphors, the problem considering specifically the game's ending is an echoing from multiple reviews from last year.
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