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#1 Posted by BuckyBall735 (4 posts) -

Giant Bomb includes games from ancient systems and phone games yet does not seem to include any flash games. Why is this?

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#2 Posted by mosespippy (4751 posts) -

Are there any flash games of importance? Things like N+ or Castle Crashers may have started as flash but made their way into other systems. The only phone games on the site are ones of note. The iOS app store gets over 150 new games a day and almost none of those are on the site. The site also doesn't have any pre smart phone cell phone games like those flip phone versions of Call of Duty 2 and Need for Speed Underground. If there are any flash games that warrant it I'd suspect they'd be listed as PC or Mac.

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#3 Posted by EVO (4029 posts) -

Because no one's made a page for them yet.

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#4 Edited by ThePaleKing (613 posts) -

There has to be some bar for creation, and with console and PC releases it's pretty easy to keep of track of where that bar is. If you allow the posting of some flash games on the wiki then you run the risk of people just creating pages for every flash game out there, of which the numbers are near infinite.

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#5 Posted by gkhan (866 posts) -

I remember this question being asked on the Bombcast a few years ago (I think) and Jeff's response was "Because we have to fucking draw the line somewhere".

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#7 Posted by Dagbiker (7045 posts) -

The problem with allowing flash games is that there is a lot of flash games, ( which is good ), there is very little bar to make a flash game ( which is good ), but the information on spific games, is very little.

There is a web platform, for releases I believe. or at least there was.

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#8 Edited by super2j (2098 posts) -

there are a lot of flash games, like a lot and anyone can make them. That would be the biggest headache to manage. And the fact that they are on a site like newgrounds should be enough. I mean does a generic tetris flash game deserve a page? would anyone care what else that user made (which would be under his profile on what ever site he is uploading too)?

I think old Jeff quoted by @gkhan is pretty spot on

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#9 Posted by audioBusting (2524 posts) -

A lot of the browser games are Flash. Westerado had a Quick Look. There's not every Flash game, because that's just impossible, but there's not none.

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#11 Posted by psylah (2298 posts) -

Everyone is tiptoeing around it so I'm going to say it.

99% of flash games are shit.

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#12 Edited by BeachThunder (14651 posts) -

is a fucking awesome game ^_^

Anyway, browser games are acceptable (BTW, not all Flash games are browser game/vice-versa); the staff/mods have stated that you're free to add browser gamers - provided they have been written about in some editorial capacity, have some kind of monetisation, and/or are developed by an otherwise known developer (for example, The Border Lands).

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#13 Posted by tourgen (4568 posts) -

I think they cover every flash game of importance. So yeah not many flash games on the site

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#14 Edited by Ravenlight (8057 posts) -

What about all the 90s-ass Tiger Electronics handhelds? What about ROMhacks? What about video poker? Follow the money, guys!

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#15 Posted by BuckyBall735 (4 posts) -

A lot of the browser games are Flash. Westerado had a Quick Look. There's not every Flash game, because that's just impossible, but there's not none.

Ahh, I missed that category. Thanks

And to everyone saying they are all crap. Yes there is a lot of rubbish, but there are quite a few gems, such as Cursed Treasure, the Epic Battle fantasy series, The company of myself, Rebuild and Diamond hollow 2.

They are mostly retro games, but good ones.

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#16 Posted by Gamer_152 (14501 posts) -

@buckyball735: There are Flash games on the site. We allow games to be listed with "browser" as their platform and most of the games that are, are Flash games, but any browser-based game added to the wiki must be of at least some notability. Many of the browser-based games you'll see in the wiki are attached to larger non-browser games, have been released across multiple platforms, have been discussed by the staff, or are in some other way prominent. As Jeff said we have to draw the line somewhere, and while there are certainly Flash games that we should give recognition if we're trying to build a fully-formed game wiki, we see little worth in cataloguing every single Flash game that comes out.

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#17 Edited by Nictel (2696 posts) -

Just putting every newgrounds game in the wiki would be insane.

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#18 Posted by reverendhunt (766 posts) -

I think the criteria that was handed to me before (which is flexible, though) is that it has to have some sort of notoriety, like having a release on other systems, or being developed by companies/people with credits on Giant Bomb for non-browser games. Also acceptable are ones that become newsworthy, I believe, like ones with articles at multiple different sites/magazines.

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#19 Edited by Video_Game_King (36564 posts) -

@psylah said:

Everyone is tiptoeing around it so I'm going to say it.

99% of flash games are shit.

This feels VERY familiar.

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#20 Edited by Marino (6251 posts) -

@buckyball735: Flash games fall under the Browser platform in the database. There are guidelines/rules for what qualifies for a page though, so make sure you understand them before creating any new pages.

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#21 Edited by fox01313 (5228 posts) -

Other websites carry the flash games better & with so many of them, we don't need that clogging up the wiki with 9999 versions of knock off bejeweled.

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#22 Edited by Brackynews (4387 posts) -

@buckyball735: Just churning the thread for semantics at this point, but when people say "flash game" they deliberately give it a connotation of low quality. People who dismiss PHP as a way to create website apps are making the same point. Like what "Made in Taiwan" meant decades ago, but now that's where all our hard drives come from. :)

They don't normally mean a game literally "made with the Flash development platform", which in fact includes many games in the GB wiki on various hardware platforms, packaged as tidy little executables, like AIR. Flash, or more specifically ActionScript, doesn't exist as its own game engine, but it can create one. Just like you shouldn't be so vague to say a "C/C++ game", but you can say Unity game, which could potentially be assigned to the Browser platform. Do I really want to start saying "oh that's a Flixel game"? No, not really. But if it graduates to a full engine, it would be accurate.

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#23 Edited by DizzyMedal (419 posts) -

I just wanted to thank you guys for not embedding 'this far and no further'. You give me hope.

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#24 Posted by Hamst3r (5273 posts) -

Intrusion 2 is a Flash game. :D

It's sold on Steam though.

Regardless, it's awesome.

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#25 Posted by LordAndrew (14601 posts) -

They do exist on the site, listed under both PC and Browser depending on their distribution method. I created a page for the original Flash version of Alien Hominid as soon as it was allowed.