Garchomp debate

So my debate is about if Garchomp is really a uber or are trainers just winy wusses? post your opinion and give reason please not just he's uber because his attack stat is high give more reason than just this please thatks^^

wow ok let me figure out where to start,
 
first: punctu-fucking-ation! (i want to be able to understand your point before the fifth time i read it)
second: usually a debate involves the OP stating their position for someone to rebut against.
third: post this in the pokemon board, so the people that see it have an idea of what your talking about.  EDIT: Still?! I assumed by now, they would have ironed that out :\

No, he really is uber. It's not enough his attack stat is so high he also has insanely high base speed compared to non-legendary Pokemon in conjunction to that high attack and all around high stats in general. Also sandstorms give him that extra 20% evasion which is just stupidly overpowered considering his other high stats and excellent move sets. He is too powerful for his own good. A novice player with a properly trained Garchomp can take out entire teams without barely being touched if the opponent doesn't know what they are doing. He's an ez mode button.

I don't know about ya'll, but I think Dragonite is still the best dragon Pokemon of all time. Garchomp can go suck it. =P
 
To be serious, yeah I think he's an uber. His attack stat is already high, and has the biggest advantage during battle in sandstorms (Sand Veil ability). Plus, he has one of the highest stat base out of all the pseudo-legendary ones, beating them at HP and Speed.

He's considered an uber.

i have to disagree with this. Garchomp is not that tough me and many people i know can easily take out even a ev trained garchomp. also Have you fought a ev trained chansey? you think garchomp is bad i can make a blissey or chansey that will make him look like a peice of cake

I think the real debate here is whether or not Garchomp is French.

How to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of whatever Pokemon you feel like.
2. Battle your friends. Legendaries may or may not be allowed.

1. Build a team of chain-breeded Pokemon from a specific tier, with specifically picked or trained natures, IVs and EVs.
2. Battle other players who have done the same, and bitch about tiers and other stuff you really shouldn't care about when you lose.

" How to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of whatever Pokemon you feel like.
2. Battle your friends. Legendaries may or may not be allowed.

 
How not to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of chain-breeded Pokemon from a specific tier, with specifically picked or trained natures, IVs and EVs.
2. Battle other players who have done the same, and bitch about tiers and other stuff you really shouldn't care about when you lose.

Pokemon is relaxing, whimsical fun. If you take matters like "Should Garchomp really be in the über tier?" seriously, you're doing it wrong.

"

" @Icemael said:

" How to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of whatever Pokemon you feel like.
2. Battle your friends. Legendaries may or may not be allowed.

 
How not to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of chain-breeded Pokemon from a specific tier, with specifically picked or trained natures, IVs and EVs.
2. Battle other players who have done the same, and bitch about tiers and other stuff you really shouldn't care about when you lose.

Pokemon is relaxing, whimsical fun. If you take matters like "Should Garchomp really be in the über tier?" seriously, you're doing it wrong.

"

Well said. It seems like "hardcore" pokemon players are like those insane people that bred Chocobos in FF7.  I don't even know what IV and EV means, but I love playing pokemon for fun. "

I like loading as many HMs as I can onto my starter. That's how I play these games.

" How to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of whatever Pokemon you feel like.
2. Battle your friends. Legendaries may or may not be allowed.

 
How not to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of chain-breeded Pokemon from a specific tier, with specifically picked or trained natures, IVs and EVs.
2. Battle other players who have done the same, and bitch about tiers and other stuff you really shouldn't care about when you lose.

Pokemon is relaxing, whimsical fun. If you take matters like "Should Garchomp really be in the über tier?" seriously, you're doing it wrong.
 
So my answer to your question is: Who gives a shit? "

The real problem with serious Pokemon battling is the fact that it would take soooo long to get a "properly" trained team i.e. all level 100, right natures, EV/IV maxed, and correct movesets.  It's a total bummer, but I still enjoy fielding a decent squad and throwing my numbers against someone else's.  And according to Smogon, Garchomp is uber, so that's enough for me. 
 
Also, my Electabuzz is nicknamed Infamous.

" How to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of whatever Pokemon you feel like.
2. Battle your friends. Legendaries may or may not be allowed.

 
How not to play Pokemon multiplayer: 

1. Build a team of chain-breeded Pokemon from a specific tier, with specifically picked or trained natures, IVs and EVs.
2. Battle other players who have done the same, and bitch about tiers and other stuff you really shouldn't care about when you lose.

Pokemon is relaxing, whimsical fun. If you take matters like "Should Garchomp really be in the über tier?" seriously, you're doing it wrong.
 
So my answer to your question is: Who gives a shit? "

" I think the real debate here is whether or not Garchomp is French. "

ok here's the low down so far iv can range from 1 to 31 the higher it is, the better that stat can get. EV is traning that spacific stat basically if your chansey have a iv
 
 of 31 for health and you train it to have a max ev of 255 in that stat then chanseys health can hit from 700 to 900 instead of around 600.garchomp is not uber 
 
people just don't play well against him. use a fast pokemon with an ice move and there garchomp i ko'ed that simple so thats my point. also i agre partially on the 
 
fact pokemon was more fun before people discovered the stupid ev and iv crap cause now if you fight a trainer with a non ev, iv trained pokemon and they ev 
 
trained theirs then you are thouroghly screwed

I don't understand why you people complain about an incredibly deep and complex battle system because you "Don't like it" or "Don't get it"

" @Fallen189: Its because its pokemon. "

" Because the battle system wasnt meant to be complex. People just discovered that they could screw with breeding tricks and turned the game into a hassle instead of a fun "catch em all" game. People seem to have forgotten that the focus of the games was catching not battling. "

" @Wes899 said:

" @Fallen189: Its because its pokemon. "

Riveting argument. "

" I don't understand why you people complain about an incredibly deep and complex battle system because you "Don't like it" or "Don't get it" "

" @Fallen189 said:

" I don't understand why you people complain about an incredibly deep and complex battle system because you "Don't like it" or "Don't get it" "

Exactly, they claim it's full of elitism and haters (not saying it isn't mind you) only to do the same thing themselves, pot meet kettle etc. And honestly it isn't very "complex".   IVs/EVs are super easy to understand and while IVs can't be manipulated easily (it's like that for a reason) gaining EVs is very simple and not time consuming at all, and it's something the developers stealthily support with stuff like the poketch Counter app without making it blatantly obvious to people that don't care, which is the beauty of it all. If you don't care about it guess what, the game doesn't force it down your throat. But for those that want to actually customize their Pokemon beyond 4 different attacks and a nickname it's nice to have.  "

yeah its a good system but it sucks if you like to battle and  you don't know about EV/IV or haven't trained any like that so regular trainers might as well call battles off unless they battle a friend who is just as cluless or EV/IV less

" @Fallen189: Nope it was something that shouldnt have been there in the first place or ignored all together. The fact that the elites have single handedly ruined online play with these "systems" is enough to say that the game was better off simple. "

People that take pokemon seriously are bad people. 

" So my debate is about if Garchomp is really a uber or are trainers just winy wusses? post your opinion and give reason please not just he's uber because his attack stat is high give more reason than just this please thatks^^ "

" People that take pokemon seriously are bad people.  "

" @Fallen189: Nope it was something that shouldnt have been there in the first place or ignored all together. The fact that the elites have single handedly ruined online play with these "systems" is enough to say that the game was better off simple. "

" People that take pokemon seriously are bad people.  "

Oh my bad, I thought I could have a different opinion on a message board. I forgot boards are just for fans.   
 

" Oh my bad, I thought I could have a different opinion on a message board. I forgot boards are just for fans.   
 

"

I think that the problem is that all of the depth of Pokemon is hidden. If the games were more overt about catering to the competitive demographic then I would be alright with it, but as for now playing pokemon seriously requires both excessive grinding and a web page up at all times so you can remember all this shit (because the game doesn't tell you any of it directly and just gives vague hints instead). Otherwise, I would be perfectly fine with crazy people playing Pokemon competitively.

Any pokemon after the original 151 is bullshit.  No matter how powerful

" I think that the problem is that all of the depth of Pokemon is hidden. If the games were more overt about catering to the competitive demographic then I would be alright with it, but as for now playing pokemon seriously requires both excessive grinding and a web page up at all times so you can remember all this shit (because the game doesn't tell you any of it directly and just gives vague hints instead). Otherwise, I would be perfectly fine with crazy people playing Pokemon competitively. "

" i have to disagree with this. Garchomp is not that tough me and many people i know can easily take out even a ev trained garchomp. also Have you fought a ev trained chansey? you think garchomp is bad i can make a blissey or chansey that will make him look like a peice of cake "

This is turning into a worse debate than what started.
 
Garchomp is a strong, but stupid looking, Pokemon. Check its stats online. I can defeat it easily too, but I type match it, so...I can kinda defeat anything easy.
 
Pokemon is a terribly deep game. Getting as deep as you want into it is not a bad thing, but you shouldn't tell people off for not getting deep into it. Same for you people saying getting deep is 'missing the point'. No. The fucking point is to have fun. If some people do it through extended customization, EV training and a breeding plan, then happy time for them when they do it. If someone just wants to put together a random team, like I did when I first played, wonderful. It's a game. Shut the fuck up now, people
 

Look, if you have a good IV spread on Garchomp, there isn't much out there that will OHKO it off the bat. On top of that, it's usually used as a revenge killer, not a lead off. It would be pretty easy too bait someone into trying to take it out just to be denied by a switch.

I think that everyone is missing the point of Pokemon.  Let me remind all of you. 
 

Bulbapedia says it's stats are average at 600 total.  That's fine with me...