im done console gaming.

Well i had 3 xbox die on me and was very upset but then today my ps3 went and im just done with it. Really wanted to play ff13 but i guess ill just get back on warcraft and play some more FPS RTS on my PC.

Have you never had a PC break on you?

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

"Gunner said:

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

and computers are repairable to the user if they know what they are doing nearly all centralized computer makers *dell, hp...ect* the warrenty is void if you put components in the system that weren't originally there atleast if you keep those components in the system, And some computers WILL just fail completely no return, no proceed to go no easy fix by the user.

PC gaming is not the end all be all thing its as messy, faulty and problematic as console gaming.
"

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

Bad luck.

Well said Diz

"Gunner said:

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

PCs are not reparable by most users. Thatt's why so many PC repairers exist!

Consoles are easier and cheaper to replace and continue gaming from where you left off. PC faults may entail game re-instaills, driver updates and hardware conflicts.

I think I had a genuine contribution to this thread Gunner. If you care to be so demeaning to other posters, that rather makes you out to be the cunt.

"

I don't have a good PC, but to get one top of the line with everything I need to play the newest PC games, I would have to spend the same amount of money I spent the entire last year on games as a whole, and that includes the cost of a new PS3  (just over $2,000 total including tax).  I think I'll be sticking with consoles.

"Gunner said:

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

PCs are not repairable by most users. That's why so many PC repairers exist!

Consoles are easier and cheaper to replace and continue gaming from where you left off. PC faults may entail game re-instaills, driver updates and hardware conflicts.

I think I made a genuine contribution to this thread, Gunner. If you care to be so demeaning to other posters, that rather makes you out to be the cunt.

"

"I don't have a good PC, but to get one top of the line with everything I need to play the newest PC games, I would have to spend the same amount of money I spent the entire last year on games as a whole, and that includes the cost of a new PS3  (just over $2,000 total including tax).  I think I'll be sticking with consoles."

"I don't have a good PC, but to get one top of the line with everything I need to play the newest PC games, I would have to spend the same amount of money I spent the entire last year on games as a whole, and that includes the cost of a new PS3  (just over $2,000 total including tax).  I think I'll be sticking with consoles."

His point is that any real PC gamer will know how to fix his PC, and the relative frustration that could possibly be caused by performing the repairs (if any occurs) is preferable to paying other people money to fix a product that should not break at all in the first place. Consoles are easier to replace, although not at all cheaper in most situations. Gunner, though he didn't need to invoke a retarded 4chan meme in his first sentence, has a legitimate point."

For RoD, the fix ix free ( I should know, as the author of www.ringofdeath.co.uk)"

"Jayge said:

His point is that any real PC gamer will know how to fix his PC, and the relative frustration that could possibly be caused by performing the repairs (if any occurs) is preferable to paying other people money to fix a product that should not break at all in the first place. Consoles are easier to replace, although not at all cheaper in most situations. Gunner, though he didn't need to invoke a retarded 4chan meme in his first sentence, has a legitimate point."

My last PC repair cost me far more than a PS3. I had to fix my friends PC over xmas - new motherboard meant new RAM too. All in all, the parts alone cost more than a 360. Many PC reparis inevitably involve upgrading ancilliary compnents. Also, PCs include a user configurable OS that often needs re-activating - these overheads do not exist for consoles.

I also disagree that being a gamer automatically turns you into a hardware expert.

For RoD, the fix ix free ( I should know, as the author of www.ringofdeath.co.uk)"

"

My last PC repair cost me far more than a PS3. I had to fix my friends PC over xmas - new motherboard meant new RAM too. All in all, the parts alone cost more than a 360. Many PC reparis inevitably involve upgrading ancilliary compnents. Also, PCs include a user configurable OS that often needs re-activating - these overheads do not exist for consoles.

I also disagree that being a gamer automatically turns you into a hardware expert.

For RoD, the fix ix free ( I should know, as the author of www.ringofdeath.co.uk)"

"Shadow said:

"I don't have a good PC, but to get one top of the line with everything I need to play the newest PC games, I would have to spend the same amount of money I spent the entire last year on games as a whole, and that includes the cost of a new PS3  (just over $2,000 total including tax).  I think I'll be sticking with consoles."

Why does this ignorance pop up in every single PC-related thread? You could build a PC, right now, that would play every single game currently on the market with medium or high settings, for less than $850 (at most). Would it be top of the line? Water-cooled? Would the tower suck your dick for you and tell you how awesome you are? Could it predict when your mother-in-law would be dying? No; but it would function incredibly well and still work as an excellent machine for all manner of other applications. It's been years of this stupid, stale, retarded argument. PC gaming is not more "expensive" than console gaming, especially taking into account the cost of online services, increased game prices, controllers and other peripherals, and the inevitable maintenance that pops up with all of them, requiring first-party paid repair centers."

"Gunner said:

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

and computers are repairable to the user if they know what they are doing nearly all centralized computer makers *dell, hp...ect* the warrenty is void if you put components in the system that weren't originally there atleast if you keep those components in the system, And some computers WILL just fail completely no return, no proceed to go no easy fix by the user.

PC gaming is not the end all be all thing its as messy, faulty and problematic as console gaming.
"

You have a funny name.

"Maybe...but for someone like me who is completely bewildered with hardware, that's a tricky prospect.  I'd imagine to do it for that price, you would need specific equipment, along with the knowledge of how to set it up in the exact right way.  Besides, the games coming out on the PC these days just don't appeal to me at all.  I don't like the RTS genre in general and the whole mouse + keyboard control setup has always been clunky and unintuitive.  The mouse part is good, that makes aiming extremely accurate, but the keyboard just causes way too many issues.  I guess the main reason I don't understand this guy's decision is...what's coming out on the PC anytime soon?  Maybe Starcraft in a year or two, but not much else."

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"Gunner said:

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

and computers are repairable to the user if they know what they are doing nearly all centralized computer makers *dell, hp...ect* the warrenty is void if you put components in the system that weren't originally there atleast if you keep those components in the system, And some computers WILL just fail completely no return, no proceed to go no easy fix by the user.

PC gaming is not the end all be all thing its as messy, faulty and problematic as console gaming.
"

Yep, one of my friends in my HTML class who is building a new computer got a quad core processor and motherboard that came dead on arival. You really can't fix a busted mobo unless you really, and I mean really, know what your doing. Hell, my computer just crashes out of the blue every couple of odd months. If anything your PC is more likely to run into problems gaming than consoles. Atleast with a console you never have to worry about troubleshooting why your game won't install. ;)."

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

"DARKIDO07 said:

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"Gunner said:

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

and computers are repairable to the user if they know what they are doing nearly all centralized computer makers *dell, hp...ect* the warrenty is void if you put components in the system that weren't originally there atleast if you keep those components in the system, And some computers WILL just fail completely no return, no proceed to go no easy fix by the user.

PC gaming is not the end all be all thing its as messy, faulty and problematic as console gaming.
"

Yep, one of my friends in my HTML class who is building a new computer got a quad core processor and motherboard that came dead on arival. You really can't fix a busted mobo unless you really, and I mean really, know what your doing. Hell, my computer just crashes out of the blue every couple of odd months. If anything your PC is more likely to run into problems gaming than consoles. Atleast with a console you never have to worry about troubleshooting why your game won't install. ;)."

And when you do get a doa, you just send it in and get another one for free. And the reason you dont have to worry about troubleshooting on a console is because you send it in having to pay for the repairs (if its not a rrod). Troubleshooting shouldnt have to be a tedious and hard thing to do, spend a couple of hours on the internet researching how to fix a problem and i guarentee youll have a solution, like i said maintaining/fixing something you use almost every day shouldnt be a hassle."

I agree with Darkid.  PCs, in my experience, have had a lot more problems and lot more often than any console I've ever used.  I do like Mouse and Keyboard for most games, and since you can hook up a 360 controller to the PC that solves the problem of platforming games.  But it's just too prone to failure for me.
I like the convenience that comes with owning a console, it may break every year or two, and then you send it in, and they fix it and send it back.

I mean, I don't get where everybody is getting this $30 price tag from, but every time I've sent in my 360, they've fixed it for free.
and when I get it back, I plug in my 360's HDD and I can pick up my game where I left off.
with my computer, I could get a virus, need to re-format, and lose all of my saved games.  Not to mention that probobly happens once every couple of months.

PC's just seem to be a hassle to keep up and running, and you're constantly in need of upgrading your rig.
Let's do a quick price comparison:

Let's say you buy some stuff to build a PC back in 2005. for the Bare Bones, a 200gig HDD, a good video card with 256 onboard RAM, 1 gig of RAM, a good motherboard that can support up to 2 gigs of RAM, and a 3gightz processor, it'll cost you, say $500 bucks.
Now, the 360, at launch cost $400 bucks, and came with a 20gig HDD, and a headset for online gaming.  However, for that online gaming, you would have to buy a $60 12-month card for xbox live. Altogether, costing you about $460 bucks.

Now, a year goes by, it's 2006, your 360 broke, so you send it in.  Microsoft has extended thier warrenty, so they fix it for free and send it back to you. You re-up for another year of xbox live, spending another $60. Alltogether price, $520.
For your PC, you're starting to see more and more games with higher requirements, your processer is still fine, and so is your RAM, but you feel you need a better video card, so you buy a new video card for say, $80 bucks. Altogether Price, $580 bucks.

Another year goes by, it's 2007, Your PC is starting to run many new games slowly, Your processor still seems to be doing fine, but you need more ram, since your motherboard only has 2 slots of ram, and they're both filled with some 512mb sticks, you buy 2 1gig sticks, costing you about $70 bucks.  Altgether Price, $650.
Your 360 is being weird, and you send it in, they fix it for free, since microsoft extended thier warrenty again, and they send it back to you, you re-up for another year of xbox live for $60. Altogether Price, $580.

Another year passes by, it's 2008, your PC seems to do okay on medium settings, but you want it to do better, so you spend some money for a new motherboard that can support up to 4gigs of RAM, and has 4 slots for around $80, you make sure the new motherboard still supports your old RAM, and then you buy 2 more sticks of 1gig ram, which is a little cheaper now at $60, alltogether price, $790.
Your 360 has stopped breaking and you're content with how it runs, you re-up for another year of xbox live, spending another $60, however, your HDD is pretty much full by now, and you want another one, microsfot has released a 60gig HDD and you buy it off of ebay for $85 bucks. alltogether price $725.

So, overall, the 360 doesn't have as many problems, requires you to worry less about it, and is overall, in my opinion, a lot more stable than your average PC.
of course, this is all just average pricing I came up with off the top of my head, shopping around for memory motherboards and stuff a while ago, so i'm not sure exactly how accurate these prices are.
but it does seem PC gaming isj ust a little more expensive.
of course, I didn't include the cost of games.  if you buy all of your PC games legit then it'll cost pretty much the same amount as if you bought all of your 360 games legit.
of course, there's a lot of pirating when it comes to PC gaming, and in that regard, it would be cheaper... but, what's illegal and more expensive?

I guess gambling, but thats a different topic.
I dunno, this is just one man's opinion, take it for what you will.

You added in an unnecessary PC upgrade, didn't add in the fact that Microsoft only replaces a RRoD 360 once before giving you a much shorter warranty, and charges you upwards of $100 for things like E74 or Disk Drive errors, which are not covered by that warranty. Your numbers are wrong.

"You added in an unnecessary PC upgrade, didn't add in the fact that Microsoft only replaces a RRoD 360 once before giving you a much shorter warranty, and charges you upwards of $100 for things like E74 or Disk Drive errors, which are not covered by that warranty. Your numbers are wrong."

"Jayge said:

"You added in an unnecessary PC upgrade, didn't add in the fact that Microsoft only replaces a RRoD 360 once before giving you a much shorter warranty, and charges you upwards of $100 for things like E74 or Disk Drive errors, which are not covered by that warranty. Your numbers are wrong."

that's where the "towel trick" comes in"

He also forgot that PC games are very often 200-300 sek (24.45-36.68 usd) cheaper, atleast in Sweden.
10 New PC games per year for 399 sek each. (sometimes costs 499) 3990sek=488,97usd
10 New Console games per year for 599 sek each. (sometimes costs 699) 5990sek=733,52

You can sometimes find games cheaper though. I bought Halo 3 on the day it was released and it only costed 399 on Elgiganten while I think GAME was selling it for 699! :D

"He also forgot that PC games are very often 200-300 sek (24.45-36.68 usd) cheaper, atleast in Sweden.
10 New PC games per year for 399 sek each. (sometimes costs 499) 3990sek=488,97usd
10 New Console games per year for 599 sek each. (sometimes costs 699) 5990sek=733,52

You can sometimes find games cheaper though. I bought Halo 3 on the day it was released and it only costed 399 on Elgiganten while I think GAME was selling it for 699! :D
"

mmmm

convenience

"Gargantuan said:

"He also forgot that PC games are very often 200-300 sek (24.45-36.68 usd) cheaper, atleast in Sweden.
10 New PC games per year for 399 sek each. (sometimes costs 499) 3990sek=488,97usd
10 New Console games per year for 599 sek each. (sometimes costs 699) 5990sek=733,52

You can sometimes find games cheaper though. I bought Halo 3 on the day it was released and it only costed 399 on Elgiganten while I think GAME was selling it for 699! :D
"

You have an amazing avatar. Also, I now know that Swedish currency is known as the "sek". Thank you.

But damn, that's a serious price difference up there. Around here it's only a 10 US Dollar discrepancy every time."

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

Guys.. you don't have to upgrade your PC every 6 month... that's just stupid.. also basically all of PC parts have some kind of warranty on them...and they don't break easily unless you abuse the hell out of it (insane overclocking, dropping it on concrete floor). 

The main reason I stayed away from 360 and moved on to PC was the RROD issue.. I used to be a console only gamer... and when I replayed Half-life 2 on PC... I was blown away compared to the xbox version.

Oh.. and how is it so hard to maintain your PC ??  Virus, spyware check,  defrag hard drive  every two weeks, and use common sense when surfing net..

Hard to install games ??  Put the game disc in .. let it run while surfing the net.. checking the email etc.. install the patch then your done.  Ofcourse there are some games that will give you some headache,  but most of the time it works fine.

damn dude. a ps3 died on you? thats gotta be THE WORST! because its so rare. 

I have an iMac.  It never breaks.

Yea I'm just not getting how some people come up with the numbers they do comparing PC against consoles, it seems some people just want to believe themselves that they are right even when they should know better. It's been I don't know how many years of the constant "playing games on PC is soo much more expensive than console" shit, and its just not true. If you want to be naive, and just compare the PC itself to only the price of a console, I guess you're going somewhere, but its pointless to not compare all the addition things that you need.

Its not hard at all to maintain your PC well and if any problems occur, to find a quick fix for them. Of course other problems could occur, they can anywhere for any piece of technology, but just in general it isn't a task at all. I think its just exclusive console gamers who would get a PC believing all that price difference bullshit about, on top of never pay a single bit of attention to it besides using it when they want to and not do the most basic things to maintain it, that get all up in arms and surprised when something ends up happening. Then rant about it on the internet about how superior consoles are. Its actually pretty simple for the people that want to be honest with themselves and do a true price comparison of the two that anyone that thinks its more expensive, harder to maintain, causes more problems, etc. is just plain wrong.

Lastly, as far as no games being on the platform, its just nonsense. Plenty of FPS that are multiplatform most people prefer on PC, or the fact that steam is just amazing and and has a very good library of games on it. Of course indie games, and plenty of smaller projects that just aren't anywhere else except PC, there are definitely some games that would surprise you that you wouldn't find anywhere else. Plus modding....there's really no less games on PC than anywhere else. besides the few exclusives you want to talk about. I also know quite a few people that like RTS games a lot(if you don't this means nothing to you but if so) and they've only played them on a console, and only a few so far have been really built with that in mind, and they are still just far inferior to playing one on a PC(no that isn't some PC elitism, its just the truth for that genre especially.) Anyway that's all I have to say about that.

I would go back to PC gaming, but damn it, it's just too expensive to stay up to date with the technology. As a college student, my 360 gives me all the gaming I need. I wish I had more time and money to spend on gaming, because some titles I have on 360 I would obviously rather play on a PC. I'd also get a PS3, but I have to be content with a psp for sony only titles.

"I agree with Darkid.  PCs, in my experience, have had a lot more problems and lot more often than any console I've ever used.  I do like Mouse and Keyboard for most games, and since you can hook up a 360 controller to the PC that solves the problem of platforming games.  But it's just too prone to failure for me.
I like the convenience that comes with owning a console, it may break every year or two, and then you send it in, and they fix it and send it back.

I mean, I don't get where everybody is getting this $30 price tag from, but every time I've sent in my 360, they've fixed it for free.
and when I get it back, I plug in my 360's HDD and I can pick up my game where I left off.
with my computer, I could get a virus, need to re-format, and lose all of my saved games.  Not to mention that probobly happens once every couple of months.

PC's just seem to be a hassle to keep up and running, and you're constantly in need of upgrading your rig.
Let's do a quick price comparison:

Let's say you buy some stuff to build a PC back in 2005. for the Bare Bones, a 200gig HDD, a good video card with 256 onboard RAM, 1 gig of RAM, a good motherboard that can support up to 2 gigs of RAM, and a 3gightz processor, it'll cost you, say $500 bucks.
Now, the 360, at launch cost $400 bucks, and came with a 20gig HDD, and a headset for online gaming.  However, for that online gaming, you would have to buy a $60 12-month card for xbox live. Altogether, costing you about $460 bucks.

Now, a year goes by, it's 2006, your 360 broke, so you send it in.  Microsoft has extended thier warrenty, so they fix it for free and send it back to you. You re-up for another year of xbox live, spending another $60. Alltogether price, $520.
For your PC, you're starting to see more and more games with higher requirements, your processer is still fine, and so is your RAM, but you feel you need a better video card, so you buy a new video card for say, $80 bucks. Altogether Price, $580 bucks.

Another year goes by, it's 2007, Your PC is starting to run many new games slowly, Your processor still seems to be doing fine, but you need more ram, since your motherboard only has 2 slots of ram, and they're both filled with some 512mb sticks, you buy 2 1gig sticks, costing you about $70 bucks.  Altgether Price, $650.
Your 360 is being weird, and you send it in, they fix it for free, since microsoft extended thier warrenty again, and they send it back to you, you re-up for another year of xbox live for $60. Altogether Price, $580.

Another year passes by, it's 2008, your PC seems to do okay on medium settings, but you want it to do better, so you spend some money for a new motherboard that can support up to 4gigs of RAM, and has 4 slots for around $80, you make sure the new motherboard still supports your old RAM, and then you buy 2 more sticks of 1gig ram, which is a little cheaper now at $60, alltogether price, $790.
Your 360 has stopped breaking and you're content with how it runs, you re-up for another year of xbox live, spending another $60, however, your HDD is pretty much full by now, and you want another one, microsfot has released a 60gig HDD and you buy it off of ebay for $85 bucks. alltogether price $725.

So, overall, the 360 doesn't have as many problems, requires you to worry less about it, and is overall, in my opinion, a lot more stable than your average PC.
of course, this is all just average pricing I came up with off the top of my head, shopping around for memory motherboards and stuff a while ago, so i'm not sure exactly how accurate these prices are.
but it does seem PC gaming isj ust a little more expensive.
of course, I didn't include the cost of games.  if you buy all of your PC games legit then it'll cost pretty much the same amount as if you bought all of your 360 games legit.
of course, there's a lot of pirating when it comes to PC gaming, and in that regard, it would be cheaper... but, what's illegal and more expensive?

I guess gambling, but thats a different topic.
I dunno, this is just one man's opinion, take it for what you will."

and it continues...

People who have a lot of problems with PCs (OSs in particular) are usually dumb people. They get their system bogged down with spyware, malware, and viruses. Stop being dumb and a PC is a lot better.

"diz said:

"Jayge said:

His point is that any real PC gamer will know how to fix his PC, and the relative frustration that could possibly be caused by performing the repairs (if any occurs) is preferable to paying other people money to fix a product that should not break at all in the first place. Consoles are easier to replace, although not at all cheaper in most situations. Gunner, though he didn't need to invoke a retarded 4chan meme in his first sentence, has a legitimate point."

My last PC repair cost me far more than a PS3. I had to fix my friends PC over xmas - new motherboard meant new RAM too. All in all, the parts alone cost more than a 360. Many PC reparis inevitably involve upgrading ancilliary compnents. Also, PCs include a user configurable OS that often needs re-activating - these overheads do not exist for consoles.

I also disagree that being a gamer automatically turns you into a hardware expert.

For RoD, the fix ix free ( I should know, as the author of www.ringofdeath.co.uk)"

And if you knew how to fix the problem yourself and knew exactly what you needed to get ahead of time i promise you that you would have spent half that for self repairs. since when did learning about things you use every day become a hassle and problem?"

Uh no. Yes not all people know the most about PC's and putting them together and getting parts, but that doesn't change the price. Obviously you just looked in the wrong places.

"Gunner said:

"diz said:

"Jayge said:

His point is that any real PC gamer will know how to fix his PC, and the relative frustration that could possibly be caused by performing the repairs (if any occurs) is preferable to paying other people money to fix a product that should not break at all in the first place. Consoles are easier to replace, although not at all cheaper in most situations. Gunner, though he didn't need to invoke a retarded 4chan meme in his first sentence, has a legitimate point."

My last PC repair cost me far more than a PS3. I had to fix my friends PC over xmas - new motherboard meant new RAM too. All in all, the parts alone cost more than a 360. Many PC reparis inevitably involve upgrading ancilliary compnents. Also, PCs include a user configurable OS that often needs re-activating - these overheads do not exist for consoles.

I also disagree that being a gamer automatically turns you into a hardware expert.

For RoD, the fix ix free ( I should know, as the author of www.ringofdeath.co.uk)"

And if you knew how to fix the problem yourself and knew exactly what you needed to get ahead of time i promise you that you would have spent half that for self repairs. since when did learning about things you use every day become a hassle and problem?"

Why did I pay twice as much as you would to repair mine and my friends PCs? Are you saying you can get PC parts cheaper than I, or that I can't repair PCs effectively? Either way, you're being presumptious.

The fact that I have been asked to fix many PC issues reveals that there are many PC issues and not all PC users can address them.

The hassle is in having to learn about something you don't neccessarily want to, when your objective is only to play games. 

"

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"Gunner said:

"diz said:

"Have you never had a PC break on you?"

Stupid question is stupid. Of course he has, everyone has but at least computers are repairable by the user, open up an xbox or ps3 and you void the warranty and even then consoles are so different from a PC that you are unlikely to actually fix it."

and computers are repairable to the user if they know what they are doing nearly all centralized computer makers *dell, hp...ect* the warrenty is void if you put components in the system that weren't originally there atleast if you keep those components in the system, And some computers WILL just fail completely no return, no proceed to go no easy fix by the user.

PC gaming is not the end all be all thing its as messy, faulty and problematic as console gaming.
"

And the only people who buy computers from dell, hp exc. are console gamers, any real PC gamer builds his own computer, not exactly rocket science."

"And the only people who buy computers from dell, hp exc. are console gamers, any real PC gamer builds his own computer, not exactly rocket science."

hell i remember when half life 2 was released on steam all the problems people had steam activation problems, running the game on their hardware problems people would get the minimum spec system and the game wouldn't even run, some couldn't get to run good on recommend specs because the game was so taxing, people with 6 month old systems couldn't get it to run cause the game was that demanding on systems, Look at crysis when it was released, something like 70% of the computer owning population couldn't play it.

Well, you get what you pay for/put effort into. My 360 and PS2 are gathering dust while a catch up on my huge backlog of missed games.

As long as you know how to maintain your rig properly, that is.

Oh.. god I honestly don't know where this argument of yearly upgrade on PC comes from.    If you guys want to waste money on HPs, Dells, and Acers it's your choice :).