Is Greg Kasavin right or wrong?

@Al3xand3r said:

Can you even actually make any meaningful conversions to the gameplay? All I've seen is maps, maybe crappy stunt or racing levels as the most varied gameplay difference. I don't see single or multi player projects that completely change the setting, the arsenal, the enemies, the game modes, or even the genre."

@bybeach said:

"My opinion, Halo CE was a rather so so PC game. i didn`t like the endless concrete period, the weapons were meh to me at first. The day glo cutsie kind of look put me off also, but I got used to it, and got a real kick out of the 'little ppl.' The combat improved for me throughout the game, and I luved the ghost.This doesn`t make Kasavin wrong. This is my opinion. It still inspired me to play halo 3(not a PC game, true) and got into it more.This is opinion also, that the Gears of war port to PC was better then on console, though the gap has been vastly, incredibly narrowed. To the point I was enjoying using a controller, and not thinking of any differences at all. I enjoy both consoles and PC these days.I think these days a game like Halo 3 would easily claim it`s place on the PC, and not be hampered that it was ported from the best thing happening for fps on console. So there wouldn`t be this controversy of dragging something way up from the past, and a Kasavin review that even after my playing the game didn`t strike me as off. As a PC gamer at the time, I thought Halo CE competitive, but there were other PC games I liked more."

@RHCPfan24 said:

"Reading through this thread, I can see that the emphasis on his opinion is not taking center stage anymore."

@LordAndrew said:

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@RHCPfan24 said:

"Reading through this thread, I can see that the emphasis on his opinion is not taking center stage anymore."

That's fine. "Greg Kasavin's opinion is wrong" is a horrible start for a thread anyway. It had to be derailed in order to survive. "

@Ravey said:

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@mocobrian said:

"Marathon was the first FPS to use feature dual wielding.

Actually, Marathon and Rise of the Triad were released on the same day."

Like the GamingGoose.... you know the GamingGoose?

@Azteck said:

"What is this discussion even about?! I have read all 3 pages and I see no fucking point in the topic since that review is old and has little relevance these days."

@mocobrian said:

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@Azteck said:

"What is this discussion even about?! I have read all 3 pages and I see no fucking point in the topic since that review is old and has little relevance these days."

Do you agree with Greg Kasavin? "

@LordAndrew said:

"Having only played the demo, I'm not really qualified to comment on Halo. But since the release of Half-Life 2, I can say that the PC FPS scene has changed significantly. Halo for the PC may have been fine and dandy back in 2003, but six years later I'm not so sure. I doubt Greg Kasavin himself cares about Halo for the PC at this point. And why should he? It's been more than six years! Half-Life 2 has legs, Halo for the PC did not. But how could he have known that at the time? We've got the power of hindsight on our side, Greg Kasavin did not. "

@mocobrian said:

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@LordAndrew said:

Half-Life 2 hasterrible team and enemy A.I., Halo has good team and enemy A.I., Half-Life 2's combat is basic, Halo's combat is deep.

Half-Life 1 > Halo 1 > Half-Life 2

I doubt he's not a fan of Halo.

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@jukezypoo said:

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@SmugDarkLoser said:

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@mocobrian said:

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@LordAndrew said:

Half-Life 2 hasterrible team and enemy A.I., Halo has good team and enemy A.I., Half-Life 2's combat is basic, Halo's combat is deep.

Half-Life 1 > Halo 1 > Half-Life 2

I doubt he's not a fan of Halo.

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Well I don't think anyone gives a shit about Half life for it's gunplay. "

Agreed Smug. Also, Half-Life 2 has a far better story than halo, and AT LEAST equally good gunplay. As for A.I, Halo has Shitty A.I, both friendly and Enemy. Half-Life 2's is bad too, but they are both equally terrible. "

@LordAndrew said:

"I'm sure he's a big fan of Halo. He's made that no secret. I doubt he's been playing the PC port of Halo: Combat Evolved any time recently though.Halo for the PC is no longer relevant. Period."

@jukezypoo said:

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@SmugDarkLoser said:

Agreed Smug. Also, Half-Life 2 has a far better story than halo, and AT LEAST equally good gunplay. As for A.I, Halo has Shitty A.I, both friendly and Enemy. Half-Life 2's is bad too, but they are both equally terrible. "

@SmugDarkLoser said:

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@Al3xand3r said:

Can you even actually make any meaningful conversions to the gameplay? All I've seen is maps, maybe crappy stunt or racing levels as the most varied gameplay difference. I don't see single or multi player projects that completely change the setting, the arsenal, the enemies, the game modes, or even the genre."

Yes?  There's a tons of new vehicles, new enemeis, new maps, skins, new weapons, tweaks to physics, lighting, general script editing,  etc.

this is something of the map editor, but it's also to show something along the lines of what could be a full conversion
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@Al3xand3r said:

"Note how from talking about a multi platform game, he makes up his own rules and restricts comparisons to  PC exclusive titles only... As if multi platform titles of the Modern Warfare sort don't look and play infinitely better on PC. Lol. Also, The Witcher is an FPS folks. Lol. What more evidence do you need about someone talking out of his ass without having a clue about what he's pretend-attempting to discuss?

Anyway, there are many PC shooters better than Halo, from single player titles like the Half-Life (or anything Valve) franchise to multiplayer focused titles like the Unreal Tournament franchise, the Battlefield franchise, the Call of Duty franchise, the Tribes franchise (well, perhaps not the last part) to mixed focus titles like Rainbow Six , Ghost Recon (but not the shoddy consolised latest parts) SWAT, Armed Assault 2 and others. Even free stuff like America's Army. Sure, not all of them are exclusive, but several are, and the rest look and most importantly play far better on PC, with often enough more involved communities, mod support, and so on and so forth. There's really no comparison. "

@LordAndrew said:

"I haven't played Half-Life 2 yet. Still playing the first one.I wasn't talking about gameplay, gunplay, AI, or any of that shit. I was talking more about the Source Engine. Might as well toss Unreal Engine in there too to help you understand that I'm not trying to make a big deal about that one game."

@Al3xand3r said:
lol. proving my point.  That is the xbox version.  The pc's map editor doesn't look like that.  See what I mean?  You can go to the original image's location and check it out.  And yes, it does require hacking, etc. but once you compare how many people play halo and want to mod it, you'd see where this is going. 

@LordAndrew said:

"Halo fanboy much? (See? I can be a stupid troll too.)"

@mocobrian said:

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@LordAndrew said:

"Halo fanboy much? (See? I can be a stupid troll too.)"

Half-Life 1 > Halo 1 > Half-Life 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 2 "

@SmugDarkLoser said:

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@mocobrian said:

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@LordAndrew said:

"Halo fanboy much? (See? I can be a stupid troll too.)"

Half-Life 1 > Halo 1 > Half-Life 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 2 "

You really think Half-Life 2 is that good?  Jees, call it luck of timing.  Because really, that game is so mediocre for a good shooter. "

@mocobrian said:

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@SmugDarkLoser said:

You're a fucking Halo fanboy, more than I'll ever be. "