I think they can be art in many different ways, not just visually. I think a game like Pixel Junk Eden is an example of a game being a piece of art visually, but nothing else. I find Bioshock to be an example of games as art in many ways, both visually and more...
Games may not always be art, but film/music isn't always artistic either...
"Ofcourse its art, every game has artist working on it. Theres loads of art in every game....
Games are art=fact"
Concept artist may not = artist
medium with artists=/=art
Basically this is a question about the depth of videogames as a cohesive whole, and I feel you can't reach that sort of thing with a development team. Too many cooks....
Games, in my mind, can be art. At this point though, I can not name one. There are definitely points in games where the visuals, experience, sound, as well as the narrative come together to evoke an emotional response from me. Whether that be anger, sadness, glee, or a myriad of other emotions. That in and of itself qualifies as art to me. Sure, games have art in them. I can not deny that as that is what I do in my free time. That does not mean that the entire game as a whole is a work of art.
I think it differs on a game by game basis, I would consider some games art and others not at all. Just like how I think some modern art is not art at all.....I'm looking at you, "Red dot in the center of a blank canvas".
Technically, they are art, but I don't think they should be considered as art, but rather video games. The art complements your game experience - it's an interactive medium, not one you merely look at (graphics), read (plot), or hear (sound).
Therefore I think while the answer to this question is yes, it's an irrelevant question and games should not strive for art above anything else.
No, the single player campaign is art. It's beautiful, the story is incredibly moving and it touches on a current events note that could change your perspective on war.
I think video games are actually one of the highest forms of art, due to the player's interaction which allows them to experience the events and interpret them in more ways than a guy looking at a shelf of Cambell Soup cans.
"I think it differs on a game by game basis, I would consider some games art and others not at all. Just like how I think some modern art is not art at all.....I'm looking at you, "Red dot in the center of a blank canvas"."
WHAT!? You do not consider "Red dot in the center of a blank canvas" to be the greatest piece of art in the world?lol
Its all about your definition of art. i believe that if dudes paint pictures of stuff, then its art. And then somebody puts it in a game. Then if its in the game, then why isnt it art anymore? And considering that nearly EVERYTHING in a game goes through a concept art phase, then the entire game is art. Only its all in 3d, so that means that its modern art!
"Wow, you really think COD4 is art? It's a brown mess...the atmosphere is too upbeat....the graphics/atmosphere isn't really that great, I think."
While I do agree that Call of Duty 4 is not art, you apparently have taken the term too literally by focusing only on the graphics of the game. For this thread, in my opinion, art is something that evokes true emotional responses from the player.
"I think it differs on a game by game basis, I would consider some games art and others not at all. Just like how I think some modern art is not art at all.....I'm looking at you, "Red dot in the center of a blank canvas"."
WHAT!? You do not consider "Red dot in the center of a blank canvas" to be the greatest piece of art in the world?lol
Its all about your definition of art. i believe that if dudes paint pictures of stuff, then its art. And then somebody puts it in a game. Then if its in the game, then why isnt it art anymore? And considering that nearly EVERYTHING in a game goes through a concept art phase, then the entire game is art. Only its all in 3d, so that means that its modern art!
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The graphics are art, sure. But when it is placed within something with so many different pieces, it does not make the game itself a work of art.
Graphics are not art, the game as a whole is art. Anything that makes a message and allows the spectator (or player) to interpret the themes in a way they can make connections to. Don't even try to tell me that GTA IV is not able to evoke any form of emotional response.
"Graphics are not art, the game as a whole is art. Anything that makes a message and allows the spectator (or player) to interpret the themes in a way they can make connections to. Don't even try to tell me that GTA IV is not able to evoke any form of emotional response."
Grand Theft Auto 4? Are you speaking of the emotion of regret?
Don't even try to tell me that GTA IV is not able to evoke any form of emotional response."
Only in terms of plotline. If, as you say, the whole collective package is to be classified, then stuff like controls and graphics need to be taken into account. And I took exception to both of those in that game. Yeah, I mean all the "Tap A to run" stuff.
If anything is created by a person or group of people for a viewer to enjoy, to evoke an emotional response, and/or to send a message it is art. How are movies art but not video games?
Yes. Just because something is crap, does not mean it isn't art. If someone paints a picture and you think there is nothing special about it, if you think it is crap, does that disqualify it from being art?
"If anything is created by a person or group of people for a viewer to enjoy, to evoke an emotional response, and/or to send a message it is art. How are movies art but not video games?"
That's kind of blurring the line. Although you're technically correct, by that definition, stuff like toys are art. Basically it's a question of symbolic depth and meaning, as opposed to arguing definitions.
Yes, most things are created with the creator's impression, or finger print if you will, embedded in every aspect of the art. Anything that is symbolic, representative of a theme greater than the creation itself, is art.
"No, the single player campaign is art. It's beautiful, the story is incredibly moving and it touches on a current events note that could change your perspective on war.
I think video games are actually one of the highest forms of art, due to the player's interaction which allows them to experience the events and interpret them in more ways than a guy looking at a shelf of Cambell Soup cans."
All it does is glorify war. War is nothing like that. You can't execute high-level Middle Eastern leaders on a whim, just because you got a phone call from someone.
It does not glorify war, it demonizes war. The running theme of the story is the atrocities of war and man's capability for evil and needless acts of destruction. It might be fun to shoot people, that does not mean it glorifies war.
It does not glorify war, it demonizes war. The running theme of the story is the atrocities of war and man's capability of evil and destructive acts. It might be fun to shoot people, that does not mean it glorifies war.
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I disagree. It has no true, dynamic, consequence for your actions. It says to shoot everything you see that isn't behind you. That is not how it works.
Yes, you wanted to send a message that what you were creating is not art. The irony is, your creation was meant to serve a purpose; thus making it art.
It does not glorify war, it demonizes war. The running theme of the story is the atrocities of war and man's capability of evil and destructive acts. It might be fun to shoot people, that does not mean it glorifies war.
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I disagree. It has no true, dynamic, consequence for your actions. It says to shoot everything you see that isn't behind you. That is not how it works."
You aren't reading between the lines or understanding the story. Watch how the story unfolds, the terror that man can unleash and needless deaths that squabbles and misunderstandings can lead to. Sure the game is meant to be fun, it is not meant to make war "cool."
What are you trying to say? Are you trying to prove that a picture is not art? Photography is not art? Knee-slapping humor is not art? Are you trying to send a message?
Honestly, I am just trying not to fall asleep. I have been up for 27 hours and it is making me think oddly. Therefore, I entertain myself with Photoshop.
"Honestly, I am just trying not to fall asleep. I have been up for 27 hours and it is making me think oddly. Therefore, I entertain myself with Photoshop."
Not my decision at this point. Family matters have required me to be awake. But, that is too off-topic for now. I will return later and the discussion shall continue. For now, I need to get something to keep me awake.
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