The length of Single Player Campaigns has changed, deal with it.

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"Movies are also proper Mass Market product and so they appeal to lots of people for lots of reasons; content, adulation, popularity, trends.  Games really only appeal to gamers for only one reason; that they are games. "

 "Almost no-one can tell you what makes a good gameplay experience good, but almost everyone can tell what a bad gameplay experience feels like."   

"Now, I'm sure that you'll probably do some more arse pulling of figures to justify your opinion, possibly comparing games to some other arbitrary thing of similar budgetary value and you're welcome to do so."

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I don't know if this is mentioned before but to me, I welcome shorter games. 
 
They allow people with a busy lifestyle to finish games - but then again I almost never pay full price (which is key for Australians) so I might be different. 

" I don't know if this is mentioned before but to me, I welcome shorter games.  They allow people with a busy lifestyle to finish games - but then again I almost never pay full price (which is key for Australians) so I might be different.  "

It's about developers giving us less for the same amount of money. That doesn't sound right for customers like us in my book.

The problem isn't length, but that some games have basically a WTF-ending. They simply end without really resolving much of anything. I don't mind games that are four hours long, but when I expect to be add a midpoint in the game and instead already see the credits roll (rest of the story comes in the sequel), that just feels wrong. Now luckily most games don't seem to suffer from these issue, but in those that do, it is really annoying.

People think Alan Wake is short? That game was a fine length.

I would rather have an awesome 8 hour experience, than a drawn out 20 hour one.

If the game is single player only, it should have at least a 12-15 hour or so campaign.I dont mind short single player games as long as the multiplayer is good.

Even if you take RPGs out of the equasion, Borderlands and Red Dead Redemption are both action games that clock in at over 15+ hours (in RDR's case well over, more like 30-40). The problem is not with games in general, just a certain subsection. There's always a reason for a game being a certain length. Heavy Rain and Alan Wake are as long as they are because they're supposed to be tight narrative experiences with replayability as well. Splinter Cell Conviction justifies its 5-6 hour campaign with extensive co-op play as well as multiplayer. It's all relative. You can play a game with a guide and cruise through in half the time of other people, or obsess over collectables and seeing every piece of hidden content and take much longer. Relative.
 
It's something that worries me a little, especially listening to Jeff talk about games. It seems like people are developing quite a narrow view of what a game is; they want intense action experiences, and by nature those games tend to be shorter in length. Even if you aren't an RPG guy, there are plenty of other experiences that seems to pass some people by.