Why Don't You Play Bioware Games?

What's keeping you from playing Bioware games?

• Not digging controlling a whole group of characters
• Too much reading/talking is boring

Because I don't know of any for old school consoles. At least Blizzard was porting its games to consoles, even if nobody really gave a crap.

I'm pretty sure that while the general public isn't into BioWare games, there is a huge crossover between the people who do like their games, and the people who visit Giant Bomb. So yeah, don't expect a whole lot of insight from this thread.

" I'm pretty sure that while the general public isn't into BioWare games, there is a huge crossover between the people who do like their games, and the people who visit Giant Bomb. So yeah, don't expect a whole lot of insight from this thread. "

Other then Dragon Age: Origins I haven't liked a Bioware game since Knights of the Old Republic. I hate how they keep dumbing down their games and removing the RPG in their RPG's every chance they get. I got my hopes up for The Old Republic after playing the Alpha and following it for so long, but other then that I don't care about a single thing they are doing with any of their franchises. Unless Dragon Age 3 goes back to being good like Dragon Age: Origins instead of the pile that was Dragon Age 2 anyway.
 
I though the first Mass Effect was ok, but it didn't blow me away. I really disliked what they did with the story for Mass Effect 2, the gameplay changes, and other then one character I hated all the new cast. I have zero interest in Mass Effect 3, but I will wait until we see more of what they are going to do with the gameplay before I write it off too.

" @FreakAche said:

" I'm pretty sure that while the general public isn't into BioWare games, there is a huge crossover between the people who do like their games, and the people who visit Giant Bomb. So yeah, don't expect a whole lot of insight from this thread. "

Yeah - that's seems to be the case. Where's the CoD crowd, when you need it? "

Hardcore MMORPG players are anomalies when it comes to general game taste, I would suspect.

I generally don't like the gameplay, as I don't really enjoy strategy/RPG games. I find the presentation to be really bad and turns me off most of their games. The story/setting usually aren't interesting to me either. 
 
Outside of ME2, I've never really wanted to play any of their games/haven't enjoyed the ones I've played. 

Dragon Age was fun, but after hearing about all of the changes that they were making for DA2 and how they were eliminating many of the things I liked about the original, I decided not to bother with the sequel.  Because why support something I'm not fond of.
 
As for Mass Effect, I tried the Mass Effect 2 PS3 demo, and I hated it.

• Not digging controlling a whole group of characters
• Too much reading/talking is boring

Only crazy people don't like Bioware games. Crazy, I tell ya!

i played dragon age origins and mass effect a little, but with both of them i didn't get very far, found them boring and didn't have any interest to continue playing them. They don't have interesting settings and i don't like the gameplay in either, so it's just not for me. i figure it's a similar case for a lot of people

" @Seppli said:

" @FreakAche said:

" I'm pretty sure that while the general public isn't into BioWare games, there is a huge crossover between the people who do like their games, and the people who visit Giant Bomb. So yeah, don't expect a whole lot of insight from this thread. "

Yeah - that's seems to be the case. Where's the CoD crowd, when you need it? "

Playing CoD. "

I think it's probably because they are overly complicated in the beginning. When my brother in law was going through the KotOR in game tutorial at the beginning, my eyes were glazing over. The same can be said for Dragon Age, it's overly complicated and complex and that only appeals to a certain type of gamer. Most aren't willing to invest the time it takes to learn them. I did, and loved them both but I waste far too much of my life playing video games.

Dragon Age is the only Bioware game I've liked.  I find most of them lacking in the gameplay department, which is kind of important for, you know... a game.

" I'm pretty sure that while the general public isn't into BioWare games, there is a huge crossover between the people who do like their games, and the people who visit Giant Bomb. So yeah, don't expect a whole lot of insight from this thread. "

You should have used this picture in your OP: 

 As for Mass Effect, I tried the Mass Effect 2 PS3 demo, and I hated it. "

I like all Bioware games so far (even the old ones before KOtOR)
I have no problem with Dragon Age 2, I just haven't bought it yet. I want to wait until I upgrade my PC for that one.
 
That being said, asking "hardcore" MMO RPG players (as you put it) is a good reason they don't play DA2. Hardcore MMORPG players don't buy that many other games. I know because I used to do this to save money. Dont get me wrong, they play other games from time to time, but for the most part they're playing their MMO of choice.
 
Also, reasons you listed for them not playing is kind of funny. All MMOs have that problem, but you can skip it instead of dealing with it. I'm guessing these "hardcore MMO players" aren't much into lore and therefore not much into traditional RPGs. I find this most common in WoW players- although wow being the biggest MMO and me being unable to quantify this, that is really moot I suppose.
 
Anyway, nothing keeps me from playing Bioware games. They're solid experiences and from what I can tell becoming the modern day FMV games only not FMV but still heavily relying on story (granted they're much better told stories as well). My point is they seem to be the more cinematic experiences of current gaming- similar to FMV only generally good. This is not everyone's cup o' tea. I personally enjoy it.

" I think it's probably because they are overly complicated in the beginning. When my brother in law was going through the KotOR in game tutorial at the beginning, my eyes were glazing over. The same can be said for Dragon Age, it's overly complicated and complex and that only appeals to a certain type of gamer. Most aren't willing to invest the time it takes to learn them. I did, and loved them both but I waste far too much of my life playing video games. "

I'm more of a Bethesda or Snowblind guy. 
 
WHEN IS SNOWBLIND MAKING CHAMPIONS: NEXT GEN!?

My biggest 2 problems with BioWare games are the so-called "morale choices" and the extraneous romances. The morale choices usually boil down to "play the game twice to see all the content!" and the romances are award, slightly embarrassing to participate in, and ultimately meaningless short of a few stat points here and there.  
 
But for the sake of full disclousre, I've only played the first 3 hours of the first ME of Xbox and all of DA:O on the PS3. I didn't like ME's brand of Sci-Fi and I found DA:O to be astoundingly boring. Except for the fire tornadoes. Those were pretty awesome.     

" @Hailinel said:

 As for Mass Effect, I tried the Mass Effect 2 PS3 demo, and I hated it. "

Same thing here. Just felt like a shooter. I really enjoyed the first one on the PC, though. "

I really enjoyed Mass Effect, but since then I just haven't found any of Bioware's storytelling to be compelling. I get this strange sense of deja vu, all over again.
To be fair, I don't have a problem with any other aspect of Bioware games, it's just that the narrative is most important to me, and in all but one case, Bioware games that I've played have been shit/lazy when it comes to telling a good story.

• Too much reading/talking is boring"

I hated Dragon Age Origins, KOTOR, Jade Empire, and Mass Effect. I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 for what it was, but to me it wasn't really an RPG. It was an action game with a cool dialogue tree and a mundane leveling system. I've come to the conclusion that Western RPG's just aren't my cup of tea.

I play BioWare games. By which I mean Mass Effect games. 

" I'm more of a Bethesda or Snowblind guy.  WHEN IS SNOWBLIND MAKING CHAMPIONS: NEXT GEN!? "

I bought every Bioware game this gen thus far. 
 
Do I get a pat on the back?

" I think it's probably because they are overly complicated in the beginning. When my brother in law was going through the KotOR in game tutorial at the beginning, my eyes were glazing over. The same can be said for Dragon Age, it's overly complicated and complex and that only appeals to a certain type of gamer. Most aren't willing to invest the time it takes to learn them. I did, and loved them both but I waste far too much of my life playing video games. "

" My biggest 2 problems with BioWare games are the so-called "morale choices" and the extraneous romances. The morale choices usually boil down to "play the game twice to see all the content!" and the romances are award, slightly embarrassing to participate in, and ultimately meaningless short of a few stat points here and there.   But for the sake of full disclousre, I've only played the first 3 hours of the first ME of Xbox and all of DA:O on the PS3. I didn't like ME's brand of Sci-Fi and I found DA:O to be astoundingly boring. Except for the fire tornadoes. Those were pretty awesome.      "

" The 'Bioware Experience' must be something the romance novel reading hausfrau would dig  "

Dullness.  The scripting is so bloody lifeless.

@Slaker117

I'm just curious, for people who like ME1 but not 2, did you actually enjoy the combat in the first one? I really liked both, but in 1 I did so in spite of the gameplay. "

Mass Effect 2 sold only 2 million? ... I find it hard to believe that.

" Mass Effect 2 sold only 2 million? ... I find it hard to believe that. "

I love BioWare's old school games, and KotoR as well. I haven't played Dragon Age yet, though I might it buy tomorrow.
 
I hate the Mass Effect series though, especially ME2. Characters, story, and gameplay were all terrible in my opinion. I'll continue to play Bioware games, except for anything that is ME related.

I'm starting to think that you work for Bioware.

" Only crazy people don't like Bioware games. Crazy, I tell ya! "

But...but I am! HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF SUCH BULLSHIT!

I love Bioware. Not only do they make my favorite genre of games (RPG) but they are also Canadian!!! Im pretty sure I have boughten every Bioware game since Baldur's gate except maybe that sonic game...

First Bioware game I ever played was Baldur's Gate. The best Bioware game I ever played was Baldur's Gate II. The last Bioware game I completed was Mass Effect 2. I have pretty much played every one of their games between those. Over the time period I guess I have gotten use to how their games tend to flow, and I accepted their short comings a long time ago. In my opinion, their main story lines tend to be sort of weak. KOTOR has arguably their best central storyline. Arguably. I personally think BG2 has the best story, villain, and party members, but a lot of people don't agree with that. 
 
Now, outside of those two games, the stories tend to be kind of bland. Dragon Age is sort of generic. If I wasn't use to slow burn sort of games, I probably wouldn't see the appeal. But their games are usually very rewarding to the people who can get past their unimpressive beginnings and stick with them. I mean, the combat isn't always that great until further in the game. You don't really experience Bioware's story telling strengths until you get to know and interact with the characters a lot. Because they are usually the best part of the thing. Mass Effect 2 barely has a story if you take out the character recruitment and loyalty missions.

I don't like WRPG's. I think they have shit-gameplay. DA being no exception.
 
I mildly enjoyed the first  ME, though.