Communism is the way to the future.

 Why do I say this? is not communism the system that has killed millions in the world? Has it not oppressed and destroyed millions of lives?
 
No it has not. Communism has not destroyed lives at all. What has destroyed lives are the so called 'communist states' that were in fact dictatorships. I talk of Stalin, Pol Pot and Kim Jong il. Stalin was not communist, he was a Stalinist. Pol Pot was not communist, he was a dictator. Kim Jong il is not communist, and is in fact a follower of Juche. Communists do not support these dictators, and never will. Communists spit on these dictators, just as you do.
 
What communism stands for is this:
 
1) Communism stands for equality. Communists damn the rich and their money hoarding, and they stand for a society where everyone is equal, and everyone receives according to their needs. 
 
2) Communism is true democracy. What kind of say do citizens get in current day 'democracies' like America and Australia? A couple of votes every few years is what they get. A couple of votes that people can cast to see who will tax them next. Communism stands for true democracy, where everyone gets their say, and the people are the true masters of the nation - not some fat, overpaid politician who has no idea what a proper days work is. 
 
3) Communism is a centralized economy. Capitalism believes that everyone has a right to 'The American Dream', where if they work hard enough in life, they will end up with lots of money and a nice family. Everything is owned privately, so that some will end up rich owning companies while others will perish. However, communism believes that the people should own the economy (factories etc) so that everyone receives their share, unlike now, where you get workers selling themselves for a small wage while the fat businessmen get rich of the profits. 
 
4) Communism supports the workers. The workers are the life bloody of the nation, and communism believes they should all be given jobs, proper living conditions and free health care - and that's just for starters. Capitalism does not help their workers, we can see that in the US - where there is so much poverty and unemployment. But communism believes that the workers should be given priority. Not the government, not the factory owners, but the people should be given priority of all goods produced.   
 
5) Communism gives equal opportunity. Under capitalism, you are taught that you have equal opportunity in life. But this is not so. From the time you are born, there are barriers of class. Why is it that rich kids get into university easier than poor ones, who must get a scholarship? Why is it that the rich have more opportunity than the poor? Why is it harder for a poor man to get into government than a rich ones? However, communism does not agree with this. Instead, people are born equal. It does not matter what colour you are, what sex you are, or what place you are born in. People are equal no matter what, if it be government, military or factory job. People should be given rights to enter college not by how much money they have, but by their passion and their interest in what they want to learn. Equality of opprtunity can never be reached unless people are equal in practice, and without class and race barriers. 
 
In short, communism is the way to the future. It gives a future for workers, and it will do nothing but help the majoirty of the populations of the world. In the hands of the people would be the economy, the politics and the very direction of their lives. It is true freedom and true equality - which is what is needed in this destructive world of capitalism and dictatorships which are killing the masses.

 Why do I say this? is not communism the system that has killed millions in the world? Has it not oppressed and destroyed millions of lives?
 
No it has not. Communism has not destroyed lives at all. What has destroyed lives are the so called 'communist states' that were in fact dictatorships. I talk of Stalin, Pol Pot and Kim Jong il. Stalin was not communist, he was a Stalinist. Pol Pot was not communist, he was a dictator. Kim Jong il is not communist, and is in fact a follower of Juche. Communists do not support these dictators, and never will. Communists spit on these dictators, just as you do.
 
What communism stands for is this:
 
1) Communism stands for equality. Communists damn the rich and their money hoarding, and they stand for a society where everyone is equal, and everyone receives according to their needs. 
 
2) Communism is true democracy. What kind of say do citizens get in current day 'democracies' like America and Australia? A couple of votes every few years is what they get. A couple of votes that people can cast to see who will tax them next. Communism stands for true democracy, where everyone gets their say, and the people are the true masters of the nation - not some fat, overpaid politician who has no idea what a proper days work is. 
 
3) Communism is a centralized economy. Capitalism believes that everyone has a right to 'The American Dream', where if they work hard enough in life, they will end up with lots of money and a nice family. Everything is owned privately, so that some will end up rich owning companies while others will perish. However, communism believes that the people should own the economy (factories etc) so that everyone receives their share, unlike now, where you get workers selling themselves for a small wage while the fat businessmen get rich of the profits. 
 
4) Communism supports the workers. The workers are the life bloody of the nation, and communism believes they should all be given jobs, proper living conditions and free health care - and that's just for starters. Capitalism does not help their workers, we can see that in the US - where there is so much poverty and unemployment. But communism believes that the workers should be given priority. Not the government, not the factory owners, but the people should be given priority of all goods produced.   
 
5) Communism gives equal opportunity. Under capitalism, you are taught that you have equal opportunity in life. But this is not so. From the time you are born, there are barriers of class. Why is it that rich kids get into university easier than poor ones, who must get a scholarship? Why is it that the rich have more opportunity than the poor? Why is it harder for a poor man to get into government than a rich ones? However, communism does not agree with this. Instead, people are born equal. It does not matter what colour you are, what sex you are, or what place you are born in. People are equal no matter what, if it be government, military or factory job. People should be given rights to enter college not by how much money they have, but by their passion and their interest in what they want to learn. Equality of opprtunity can never be reached unless people are equal in practice, and without class and race barriers. 
 
In short, communism is the way to the future. It gives a future for workers, and it will do nothing but help the majoirty of the populations of the world. In the hands of the people would be the economy, the politics and the very direction of their lives. It is true freedom and true equality - which is what is needed in this destructive world of capitalism and dictatorships which are killing the masses.

Perhaps you should take up your communist agenda with this Liberty Prime soundboard.

it's like a 1950's soviet cartoon come to life.

What the hell is going on on this board these days?

 i think actual communism would be good, but the way communistic views have been deluded and fucked by all the past communistic leaders makes it an improbable form of government in this day and age    

I for one, approve this message

" What the hell is going on on this board these days? "

Expropriate the expropriators, comrade!

Hell yeah, bro!
 
First time here in a while and the first thing I see is a communist thread. 
 
I for one support this fully, and I am a firm believer in Marxism.

" What the hell is going on on this board these days? "

You're about 200 years late to the party. Karl Marx had the same ideas you did (except his were fairly original at the time), and the communist system has again and again proven to be deeply flawed in its economics. Communism has never worked and never will work, it has nothing to do with the leadership, it has to do with the economic structure.  
 
1) Communism equalizes resources for everyone
2) Equal resources means no incentive to excel/innovate 
3) National productivity goes down 
4) Country becomes poorer 
5) Country needs to keep standard of living, but can't because of lowered wealth  
6) Country becomes even poorer
7) War, oppression and poverty (power stratification replaces fiscal stratification) <-- signature oppressive leaders appear here, but are brought about by all the previous socioeconomic factors mentioned.  
 
In other words, communism has its heart in the right place but can't actually execute its ideals in reality. Again, it has nothing to do with leadership or politics. Communist systems can actually be broken down mathematically.  
 
Ask any Sociology or Economics prof in a University and they will tell you more about it. 

 @Geno said:

" Communism has never worked and will never work, it has nothing to do with the leadership, it has to do with the economic structure.   1) Communism equalizes resources for anyone 2) Equal resources means no incentive to work/excel 3) National productivity goes down 4) Country becomes poorer 5) Country needs to keep standard of living, but can't because of lowered wealth 6) War, oppression and poverty.   In other words, communism has its heart in the right place but can't actually execute its ideals in reality. Again, it has nothing to do with leadership or politics. Communist systems can actually be broken down mathematically.  Ask any Sociology or Economics prof in a University and they will tell you more about it.  "

" No. Communism is just a fun idea and nothing more. "

Communism sounds good in theory, but sucks in practice.

Suprise no one's posted this yet, fucking commies. 
 
  

Fuck that shit, son. 

Aren't we suppose to learn from history?  Thinking communism will work is pretty ignorant.  In theory it could, but it won't work in the real world as people have proven several times.

" Communism has never worked and never will work, it has nothing to do with the leadership, it has to do with the economic structure.   1) Communism equalizes resources for everyone2) Equal resources means no incentive to work/excel 3) National productivity goes down 4) Country becomes poorer 5) Country needs to keep standard of living, but can't because of lowered wealth 6) War, oppression and poverty (power stratification replaces fiscal stratification).   In other words, communism has its heart in the right place but can't actually execute its ideals in reality. Again, it has nothing to do with leadership or politics. Communist systems can actually be broken down mathematically.  Ask any Sociology or Economics prof in a University and they will tell you more about it.  "

A communist government is a good idea in theory, but the problem is it also includes a non-workable economic model. That's why I prefer socialism (registered socialist here). 
 
The first cities were established so that if one farmers field failed, he could rely on his neighbors. It's like an insurance pool. However, that doesn't mean you can just walk up and ask for handouts...if you work a job, however, you're covered.
 
Capitalism doesn't work. A Free Market would, however Capitalism is the antithesis of Free Market. Free Market innovates, Capitalism buys.
 
Anyone willing to work 40 hours a week shouldn't have to worry about making ends meet for their family. Capitalism on the other hand attemps to pay people as little as possible for their work, and then try to squeeze more work out of them without paying anymore. That's bullshit to the 10th degree.
 
Fuck Capitalism. When 5% of the population controls 85% of all national wealth, that's a fucking problem.

Obviously this is true, just look at Star Trek. No one gets paid shit and everyone does their job for the betterment of their community. Unless you're outside the Federation.  
 
... 'BEEN A LAWWNG ROOAD...

While your points sound noble and great, even if they did work (I don't know if they would or not in a real world situation) there is one factor that would always ruin this philosophy. 
 
Simple human greed. There will always be people who won't settle with what they have, that want more than the average person. If they can't do it openly, it will lead to criminal activities and corruption among people with power. 
 
As a sidenote, I don't know what kind of politics I support. I'm still lost on that issue.

Seeing as la revolución sure ain't happening in this country in my life time, I'm going to choose not to give a shit either way.

Yes, democracy sucks (it has it's flaws), but it's the best we have. The lesser of all evils, however you want to put it. Ideally, yes if we figured out everything about how to make a perfect state and were able to assign the perfect jobs for everyone to be a fully functioning citizen of that state, then communism would work. However humans are not that simple... and it's not easy running any form of government whether it is democractic or communist.

The USSR tried to get it happening for decades, especially at the start just after the revolution and they were never able to even come close to getting a happy and productive society. I dont know how old you are or what your social situation is, but your views are insanely naive. Communist in no way represents what is possible in the real world.  "

This is exactly what came to mind when I say the title... 
  

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Obviously this is true, just look at Star Trek. No one gets paid shit and everyone does their job for the betterment of their community. Unless you're outside the Federation.  
 
... 'BEEN A LAWWNG ROOAD...

"

Communism would create a horrible economy. There is a reason that people are better off in countries that have freer economies than those where the government controls things. 

It has been said Democracy is the worst form of government except all others that have been tried.
Winston Churchill

Communism is flawed. If you had studied it properly you would realise this. Unless troll.

"Communism is flawed. If you had studied it properly you would realise this. Unless troll. "

Robotic communists are the way of the future.

" @mrfizzy said:

The USSR tried to get it happening for decades, especially at the start just after the revolution and they were never able to even come close to getting a happy and productive society. I dont know how old you are or what your social situation is, but your views are insanely naive. Communist in no way represents what is possible in the real world.  "

USSR wasn't a communist country, they were a Junta. There has never been a communist country on the face of Planet Earth. Ever.  In a communist state, there is NO STATE. "

Cool manifesto, bro

lol no

" @JammyJesus said:

"Communism is flawed. If you had studied it properly you would realise this. Unless troll. "

It's good on paper but they fail to take into account the human factor "

 The concept of communism is great and would do a lot of good if it was run by the right leaders, however what makes communism so great is also it's greatest weakness and what ultimately makes it useless. While it was founded on the principles of the needs of the many over the needs of the few, it is easily corrupted into being the wants of the few and fuck the many. Which is where it always fall flat.

" @Fajita_Jim said:

" @mrfizzy said:

The USSR tried to get it happening for decades, especially at the start just after the revolution and they were never able to even come close to getting a happy and productive society. I dont know how old you are or what your social situation is, but your views are insanely naive. Communist in no way represents what is possible in the real world.  "

USSR wasn't a communist country, they were a Junta. There has never been a communist country on the face of Planet Earth. Ever.  In a communist state, there is NO STATE. "

The USSR was a junta that was attempting to set up a communist state, they were as close as anyone has ever got to succeeding and look how that turned out.  And the idea of no state is not possible, you have to have leadership of some sort. if you dont then people will sit there waiting for orders and direction until someone stands up and gives them some OR theyll sit there, realise they dont have to worry about anyone but themselves in which case theyll revert back to a subsistence existence.  "

Communism: good in theory, never works in practice.

Communism would work, just with a very small group, maybe 50 people. Otherwise it would take goddamn forever to distribute goods equally, and the chance of greedy assholes would become higher, since human are basically greedy little motherfuckers. 
Also just a thought, if we were to encounter some sort of intelligent life, lets say aliens, that lived through a communist style system, my first guess is a huge war started by humans so that we could "save them". 

lol @ OP.  That's great. Come back to me when you have learned how badly communism is done. Like many said, good in theory, sucktastic in practice.
 
 
No comeback to all of us if you ever figure how to do Communism right.

Wow, nearly every single post in this thread has said the same thing.
 
Yes, everyone knows communism doesn't work in practice.  Human selfishness blah-blah-blah. Let the idiot bask in his own stupidity.
 
I'm not sure exactly why, but all the responses to this thread saying exactly the same thing pisses me off more than the thread itself.

Communists are like a person who believes they can free prisoners from their incarceration by blowing up the walls of  the jail. They argue that all previous attempts to do so, which have resulted in the collapse of the jail and the death of all inside, were due to improperly placed explosives, or some other technical flaw. What they fail to recognize is that the project is fundamentally flawed. Every attempt to extricate prisoners from a prison by exploding the prison walls will result in the collapse of the prison, regardless of how well you place the explosives. In the meantime, they continue to get thousands more killed by repeatedly attempting their failed project. 
  
Not Russia nor China nor Cambodia nor Vietnam failed in their communist projects because they were dictatorships rather than true communist states, but rather because attempts to produce a socialist/communist state are inherently prone to dictatorship because they put an inordinate amount of power in the hand of the state, which history has shown repeatedly results in corruption, poverty and massacre. 

Main reason it will never work: humans as a species cannot set aside the nature of wanting as much as possible, regardless of need.

"Capitalism doesn't work. A Free Market would, however Capitalism is the antithesis of Free Market. Free Market innovates, Capitalism buys.

" Communism would work, just with a very small group, maybe 50 people. Otherwise it would take goddamn forever to distribute goods equally, and the chance of greedy assholes would become higher, since human are basically greedy little motherfuckers. Also just a thought, if we were to encounter some sort of intelligent life, lets say aliens, that lived through a communist style system, my first guess is a huge war started by humans so that we could "save them".  "

Communism is a good idea in theory, but it could never work because not everyone thinks the same.

" @Fajita_Jim said:

"Capitalism doesn't work. A Free Market would, however Capitalism is the antithesis of Free Market. Free Market innovates, Capitalism buys.

You are deeply confused about some very basic definitional issues. I recommend a remedial course in economics before speaking or voting again.