"I don't dislike homosexuals, but I'm against gay marriage. I expect nearly everyone here to disagree with me, but that's okay. Religious beliefs are religious beliefs. I won't water them down just to seem cool to a bunch of strangers on the Internet."
Thank you for relinquishing your brain, please leave it outside as you step out the door. Don't worry you are allowed to keep your spinal cord, we wouldn't want you to be unable to follow your religious friends.
zitosilva said:
"I'm 100% for it.
oraknabo said:
"I think we need a whole new system. One type of marriage for people in a religious congregation and another type of secular union for everyone else that doesn't give a crap about religion. The rights for both would be the same, but there would be tighter regulations on the first, like you'd have to get approved by a legit religious leader first. Religious people would still get to keep the "sanctity" of their marriage and everyone else could get "married" as they please."
But isn't that the difference between a church marriage and a civil marriage? Though I don't agree with it, I can understand that church not wanting gay marriage since it goes against their belief. But ins't just the civil the gives you rights? I though the church one was merely symbolic for the religious people."
I believe you are right in the US, (not entirely sure) in my country you are completely right. There are two separate unions and religious marriage is simply symbolic. I believe it is the same in the US but religious marriage can also be a legally binding union (in here you have to get married twice, I think you only need one marriage in the US). "
Yeah, it's the same in my country. Church marriage means absolutely nothing legally speaking, it's the civil one that does.giyanks22 said:
"I don't mind having gay marriage, but I think it should be called something different.
I think it is morally and biologically wrong, because the whole point of marriage is to have children with the person you love, except two men or two women can't "Naturally" have children. So regardless of your religious beliefs it defies biology.
I hate to sound like John Kerry, but: I'm not for it, but I'm not against it.
I don't think it should happen, but I don't mind people who are gay, because they can't help it, and everyone is guaranteed equal rights."
But other animals besides humans also mate with the same species, yet no one says they defy biology.
"I don't mind having gay marriage, but I think it should be called something different.
I think it is morally and biologically wrong, because the whole point of marriage is to have children with the person you love, except two men or two women can't "Naturally" have children. So regardless of your religious beliefs it defies biology.
I hate to sound like John Kerry, but: I'm not for it, but I'm not against it.
I don't think it should happen, but I don't mind people who are gay, because they can't help it, and everyone is guaranteed equal rights."
Do you believe people that are sterile shouldn't be married?
destro said:
"I dont think 2 guys should actually be officially "married" i think marriage is something between a man and a women, its been like that since the beginning of time and its worked out fine so far. If 2 guys want to get "married", they can; but i think they should be labeled as "life partners" and not a married couple."
Why do people care so much about a word? And if you don't believe in changing marriage, then blacks and white still shouldn't be aloud to be married.
" >So regardless of your religious beliefs it defies biology.
See the book: Biological exuberance : animal homosexuality and natural diversity"
I assume you are replying to me?. Where did I say it defies Biology?. I know full well how prominent homosexuality is within animal species across the board, but that has little to do with my view above. It makes no difference at all.
"I dont think 2 guys should actually be officially "married" i think marriage is something between a man and a women, its been like that since the beginning of time and its worked out fine so far. If 2 guys want to get "married", they can; but i think they should be labeled as "life partners" and not a married couple."
Right, ruining the lives of people that thought they could never be accepted is really working out fine. Denying people basic rights which they deserve works out fine. Your smart.
"I dont think 2 guys should actually be officially "married" i think marriage is something between a man and a women, its been like that since the beginning of time and its worked out fine so far. If 2 guys want to get "married", they can; but i think they should be labeled as "life partners" and not a married couple."
Why do people only ever look at this in terms of men? There are such a thing as lesbians out there in the real world, you know. They don't just exist in porn.
I have a question for those against, what bad do you think would come from letting gay people marry? I mean, how will it hurt anyone? How will it make this nation worse?
Christianity is about toleration and not judging others. Being a prejudiced asshole is going against Christianity. You don't have to agree with someone, but to judge them and condemn them yourself is kind of a no-no."
This is very true, but homosexuality still goes against the Christian faith. They don't have to judge and condemn anyone to simply not want to take part of it in their Church. Someone believing a gay person is going to hell is every bit as much of a sin in Christian faith as a Christian church marrying gay people. Religions shouldn't be forced to go against their beliefs. That's why Obama doesn't support gay marriage, and that's why I don't either.
As has been stated before, it's a simple question where the law says one thing and the church says another. Equal rights is a pretty clear statement, so there is no argument here whether gay people should be able to be joined in the same way that straight couples can. Only the words differ.
Therefore, this is nothing but a matter of setting down principles, gays will still be happy even if they can't be married and the church will survive even if they can. Marriage itself is just a social construct that ties people together in a superficial way. The weight in the concept all comes from the masses blindly following the social norms, like I said, the importance is purely superficial.
So it's all about saying exactly how important the Christian values is versus the democratic. I vote democracy.
Christianity is about toleration and not judging others. Being a prejudiced asshole is going against Christianity. You don't have to agree with someone, but to judge them and condemn them yourself is kind of a no-no."
This is very true, but homosexuality still goes against the Christian faith. They don't have to judge and condemn anyone to simply not want to take part of it in their Church. A Christian who believes a gay person is going to hell is every bit as much of a sin in Christian faith as a Christian church marrying gay people. Religions shouldn't be forced to go against their beliefs. That's why Obama doesn't support gay marriage, and that's why I don't either."
Churches wouldn't be forced to marry gays. They're plently of other places to get married beside churchs.
Christianity is about toleration and not judging others. Being a prejudiced asshole is going against Christianity. You don't have to agree with someone, but to judge them and condemn them yourself is kind of a no-no."
This is very true, but homosexuality still goes against the Christian faith. They don't have to judge and condemn anyone to simply not want to take part of it in their Church. Someone believing a gay person is going to hell is every bit as much of a sin in Christian faith as a Christian church marrying gay people. Religions shouldn't be forced to go against their beliefs. That's why Obama doesn't support gay marriage, and that's why I don't either."
"Religion shouldn't have even been brought up, it creates to many problems"
Only because Religion is flawed in itself, by bringing it up we take those flaws into the light where everybody can see the absurdity themselves. *shakes fist*
"I dont think 2 guys should actually be officially "married" i think marriage is something between a man and a women, its been like that since the beginning of time and its worked out fine so far. If 2 guys want to get "married", they can; but i think they should be labeled as "life partners" and not a married couple."
Right, ruining the lives of people that thought they could never be accepted is really working out fine. Denying people basic rights which they deserve works out fine. Your smart."
Because its AMERICA man, the home of the automobile and the NFL...big macho men shit, you cant just go one day from "America, the toughest and most bad ass country on the earth" to "oh yeah we marry gay people now, we like gay people"..it doesnt work like that
"I don't dislike homosexuals, but I'm against gay marriage. I expect nearly everyone here to disagree with me, but that's okay. Religious beliefs are religious beliefs. I won't water them down just to seem cool to a bunch of strangers on the Internet."
It's fine to object based on whatever belief system you have, however legally do you object? Do you object to the bill of rights? Or do you believe that religion should dictate law?
If two men want to be together, go for it. But marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And some of you say that gays are just different. This is not true: homosexuality is wrong. Why is it wrong? Because if we were all gay the human race would be extinct.
"If two men want to be together, go for it. But marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And some of you say that gays are just different. This is not true: homosexuality is wrong. Why is it wrong? Because if we were all gay the human race would be extinct.
Oh no. Debating stuff like this eventually leads to a locked thread and a bunch of angry people. Great job TC. I won't share my view because this is a website about video games and adding political views just screws everything up.
And I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I'm speaking from the perspective of hardcore Christians. I'm explaining why they feel the way they do, and why I agree with Obama that they shouldn't be forced to go against their own faith. No need for name calling here.
"If two men want to be together, go for it. But marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And some of you say that gays are just different. This is not true: homosexuality is wrong. Why is it wrong? Because if we were all gay the human race would be extinct.
"
This will never be a problem because everybody will not be gay.
Even if everybody do turn gay, It doesn't mean that we cannot have straight sex strictly out of reproductive purposes.
We are not regular animals anymore. We have ascended beyond stuff like this. Dude, jack of in a cup and mail it to a girl. Done.
because the whole point of marriage is to have children with the person you love, except two men or two women can't "Naturally" have children. So regardless of your religious beliefs it defies biology.
So what about couples that can not have children and are male/female? Should their marriages be nullified?
And I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I'm speaking from the perspective of hardcore Christians. I'm explaining why they feel the way they do, and why I agree with Obama that they shouldn't be forced to go against their own faith. No need for name calling here."
The strictest Christian would follow everything in the bible, not pull this selective shit that douchebags pull.
"Oh no. Debating stuff like this eventually leads to a locked thread and a bunch of angry people. Great job TC. I won't share my view because this is a website about video games and adding political views just screws everything up."
Can't we have a political discussion here? I'd say this is exactly the point of the "off-topic" area.
"As has been stated before, it's a simple question where the law says one thing and the church says another. Equal rights is a pretty clear statement, so there is no argument here whether gay people should be able to be joined in the same way that straight couples can. Only the words differ.
Therefore, this is nothing but a matter of setting down principles, gays will still be happy even if they can't be married and the church will survive even if they can. Marriage itself is just a social construct that ties people together in a superficial way. The weight in the concept all comes from the masses blindly following the social norms, like I said, the importance is purely superficial.
So it's all about saying exactly how important the Christian values is versus the democratic. I vote democracy."
Are you kidding? Are you honestly not aware of the many non-social benefits of marriage? pirate_republic said:
"If two men want to be together, go for it. But marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And some of you say that gays are just different. This is not true: homosexuality is wrong. Why is it wrong? Because if we were all gay the human race would be extinct.
"
Which is irrelevant because the whole human race isn't gay and never will be. Are you opposed to sterile people also? ArbitraryWater said:
"Oh no. Debating stuff like this eventually leads to a locked thread and a bunch of angry people. Great job TC. I won't share my view because this is a website about video games and adding political views just screws everything up."
Note how I posted this in the off-topic section? This is a perfectly legit thread and I see nothing in it that would seem lock worthy(yet)
And I'm just playing devils advocate here. I'm speaking from the perspective of hardcore Christians. I'm explaining why they feel the way they do, and why I agree with Obama that they shouldn't be forced to go against their own faith. No need for name calling here."
How are they forced against their own religion. They won't be forced to marry them.
"I dont think 2 guys should actually be officially "married" i think marriage is something between a man and a women, its been like that since the beginning of time and its worked out fine so far. If 2 guys want to get "married", they can; but i think they should be labeled as "life partners" and not a married couple."
Right, ruining the lives of people that thought they could never be accepted is really working out fine. Denying people basic rights which they deserve works out fine. Your smart."
Because its AMERICA man, the home of the automobile and the NFL...big macho men shit, you cant just go one day from "America, the toughest and most bad ass country on the earth" to "oh yeah we marry gay people now, we like gay people"..it doesnt work like that"
You do realize that its people like you that make europeans talk about how dumb America is right? You make no sense because none of what you said has to do with my view.
"If two men want to be together, go for it. But marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And some of you say that gays are just different. This is not true: homosexuality is wrong. Why is it wrong? Because if we were all gay the human race would be extinct.
"
You do realize that you sexual choice does not physically stop a person from having sex with the other gender? People could do it just for the sake of reproduction, not of pleasure.
"If two men want to be together, go for it. But marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And some of you say that gays are just different. This is not true: homosexuality is wrong. Why is it wrong? Because if we were all gay the human race would be extinct.
"
"Wrong", when did nature start adhering human morals?. Nature is never wrong, homosexuality is found all throughout the animal kingdom. People do not choose to be Gay, they are born so. The percentile of homosexuality is so low it could never be a threat for procreation of any species on the planet.
"I dont think 2 guys should actually be officially "married" i think marriage is something between a man and a women, its been like that since the beginning of time and its worked out fine so far. If 2 guys want to get "married", they can; but i think they should be labeled as "life partners" and not a married couple."
Right, ruining the lives of people that thought they could never be accepted is really working out fine. Denying people basic rights which they deserve works out fine. Your smart."
Because its AMERICA man, the home of the automobile and the NFL...big macho men shit, you cant just go one day from "America, the toughest and most bad ass country on the earth" to "oh yeah we marry gay people now, we like gay people"..it doesnt work like that"
You do realize that its people like you that make europeans talk about how dumb America is right? You make no sense because none of what you said has to do with my view."
Haha good, plus Europeans are not the only ones, trust me.
"If two men want to be together, go for it. But marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And some of you say that gays are just different. This is not true: homosexuality is wrong. Why is it wrong? Because if we were all gay the human race would be extinct.
"
You do realize that you sexual choice does not physically stop a person from having sex with the other gender? People could do it just for the sake of reproduction, not of pleasure."
Not to mention that gay men have been getting married and having kids for thousands of years now. Just ask Larry Craig.
I've never seen this American Pegasus dood, and I didn't see him on the list of mods than MB or whoever had posted!!! You guys just pop up out of nowhere!!!
Anyways, personally, who the fuck cares? The institution of marriage is man-made. The institution of love is made by a higher power than us. The institution of judgment for either is not any of our fucking business.
"As has been stated before, it's a simple question where the law says one thing and the church says another. Equal rights is a pretty clear statement, so there is no argument here whether gay people should be able to be joined in the same way that straight couples can. Only the words differ.
Therefore, this is nothing but a matter of setting down principles, gays will still be happy even if they can't be married and the church will survive even if they can. Marriage itself is just a social construct that ties people together in a superficial way. The weight in the concept all comes from the masses blindly following the social norms, like I said, the importance is purely superficial.
So it's all about saying exactly how important the Christian values is versus the democratic. I vote democracy."
Are you kidding? Are you honestly not aware of the many non-social benefits of marriage?
Of course I am, but I tried to point out the unexisting relevance of the actual act of marriage.
I said in my post, there is no argument whether gay couples should have the same legal rights as straight ones. No one has put up any reasonable claims for that anyway. What i was trying to say was that marriage is a superficial thing if you remove the purely legal aspect. That makes it a question only of principles.
I think we should all agree that marriage is over rated anyway and is pretty much a lost cause. It used to be cool, like, back in the day when people actually got married and stayed married until they died. you know, "till death do us part" that shit should be taken out of that...seal, whatever the fuck it is. What im saying is; half the people that even get married today will end up getting a divorce not to long after. Im not saying the same would go for gay people, but still. You cant really say im wrong.
"The main problem I see is in the terminology. MARRIAGE is between a man and a woman. All gays want is to have a legally bound relationship with the person they love. Why can't 2 men have the same rights and privileges as a married couple? I say keep MARRIAGE between a man and a woman, but give gays CIVIL UNIONS or whatever, as long as they have the same right as everyone else. "
Agreed. But honestly, I don't care. I'm straight so I shouldn't really worry about it. It's not like this is the worst possible thing that could happen.
We can't have gay marriage cause marriage is sacred, it happens in the church. Marriage is sacred, it's sacred. No, it's not, not in America, not in a country that watches Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire? and The Bachelor and The Bachelorette and 'Who Wants to Marry a Midget". Get the fuck outta here. Shit, Michael Jackson got married, how fucking sacred is that shit? -Chris Rock
I just want to point out to some people that the argument "Marriage isn't sacred anymore, so it doesn't matter" is in itself a bigoted way pof thinking. You may not realize it, but you are saying that gays would ruin what would be a "sacred" tradition, which is pretty much saying "We'll give them what they want when we don't want it anymore".
Sure it is a nice gesture, and I had once thought about it, but it is still pretty fucking rude.
"I just want to point out to some people that the argument "Marriage isn't sacred anymore, so it doesn't matter" is in itself a bigoted way pof thinking. You may not realize it, but you are saying that gays would ruin what would be a "sacred" tradition, which is pretty much saying "We'll give them what they want when we don't want it anymore".
Sure it is a nice gesture, and I had once thought about it, but it is still pretty fucking rude.
"
Technically, Yes and no. Marriage is still sacred. It just depends on the person. It could be sacred to them or it couldn't.
"I just want to point out to some people that the argument "Marriage isn't sacred anymore, so it doesn't matter" is in itself a bigoted way pof thinking. You may not realize it, but you are saying that gays would ruin what would be a "sacred" tradition, which is pretty much saying "We'll give them what they want when we don't want it anymore".
Sure it is a nice gesture, and I had once thought about it, but it is still pretty fucking rude.
"
Technically, Yes and no. Marriage is still sacred. It just depends on the person. It could be sacred to them or it couldn't."
Well it isn't that it isn't sacred, but it is only sacred for those who take part in it. It is a sign that the two are willing to carry an "indestructable" bond. But for society it isn't, especially with the whole divorce thing.
The point is, that marriage doesn't determine a society's moral fabric, it only determines a personal signal and tax benefits. If I want to get married despite what a bunch of religious dicks say, then god dammit, I'm getting married.
"I just want to point out to some people that the argument "Marriage isn't sacred anymore, so it doesn't matter" is in itself a bigoted way pof thinking. You may not realize it, but you are saying that gays would ruin what would be a "sacred" tradition, which is pretty much saying "We'll give them what they want when we don't want it anymore".
Sure it is a nice gesture, and I had once thought about it, but it is still pretty fucking rude.
"
Technically, Yes and no. Marriage is still sacred. It just depends on the person. It could be sacred to them or it couldn't."
Well it isn't that it isn't sacred, but it is only sacred for those who take part in it. It is a sign that the two are willing to carry an "indestructable" bond. But for society it isn't, especially with the whole divorce thing.
The point is, that marriage doesn't determine a society's moral fabric, it only determines a personal signal and tax benefits. If I want to get married despite what a bunch of religious dicks say, then god dammit, I'm getting married.
"
Well, not all religious people are like that. I know a lot who don't care if Gay people get married or are for it. I am Catholic. But, I'm those everyday lives are devoted to being Catholic. But, what I'm trying say is don't like judge the entire religious community based on some people. Not all of them are like that. But, what I was trying to defend was that to some people Marriage is still sacred and they take it very seriously.
"I just want to point out to some people that the argument "Marriage isn't sacred anymore, so it doesn't matter" is in itself a bigoted way pof thinking. You may not realize it, but you are saying that gays would ruin what would be a "sacred" tradition, which is pretty much saying "We'll give them what they want when we don't want it anymore".
Sure it is a nice gesture, and I had once thought about it, but it is still pretty fucking rude.
"
No we're saying the churches don't own marriage.
destro said:
"I think we should all agree that marriage is over rated anyway and is pretty much a lost cause. It used to be cool, like, back in the day when people actually got married and stayed married until they died. you know, "till death do us part" that shit should be taken out of that...seal, whatever the fuck it is. What im saying is; half the people that even get married today will end up getting a divorce not to long after. Im not saying the same would go for gay people, but still. You cant really say im wrong."
The "half of people that get married get divorced" statisticis incorrect.
jakob187 said:
"I've never seen this American Pegasus dood, and I didn't see him on the list of mods than MB or whoever had posted!!! You guys just pop up out of nowhere!!!
Anyways, personally, who the fuck cares? The institution of marriage is man-made. The institution of love is made by a higher power than us. The institution of judgment for either is not any of our fucking business.
"
I've been a mod since the week that the site launched.
"I just want to point out to some people that the argument "Marriage isn't sacred anymore, so it doesn't matter" is in itself a bigoted way pof thinking. You may not realize it, but you are saying that gays would ruin what would be a "sacred" tradition, which is pretty much saying "We'll give them what they want when we don't want it anymore".
Sure it is a nice gesture, and I had once thought about it, but it is still pretty fucking rude.
"
Technically, Yes and no. Marriage is still sacred. It just depends on the person. It could be sacred to them or it couldn't."
Well it isn't that it isn't sacred, but it is only sacred for those who take part in it. It is a sign that the two are willing to carry an "indestructable" bond. But for society it isn't, especially with the whole divorce thing.
The point is, that marriage doesn't determine a society's moral fabric, it only determines a personal signal and tax benefits. If I want to get married despite what a bunch of religious dicks say, then god dammit, I'm getting married.
"
Well, not all religious people are like that. I know a lot who don't care if Gay people get married or are for it. I am Catholic. But, I'm those everyday lives are devoted to being Catholic. But, what I'm trying say is don't like judge the entire religious community based on some people. Not all of them are like that. But, what I was trying to defend was that to some people Marriage is still sacred and they take it very seriously."
Oh I there must have been a sense of miscommunication here. When I say religious dicks, that is a category of religious citizens of the world. If I say that, I am not referring to everyone. That would be stupid and rude.
I'm only saying that marriage in itself shouldn't be taken so seriously. Even these polls are stupid because the entire question is just a way to pick out who is on what side of the political issue. I understand the argument, but I'm just saying that this whole thing is just being taken too seriously. Well too seriously by those who argue for it.
I'm married "to a woman" have no kids and I view my marriage as a civil union. My wife is my life partner. I think everyone should be allowed to suffer. Human beings can suck and when you're with one for 20 years, well... you know. I would do it again in a heartbeat.
For it. I see so many douchbag couples that hate each other and have their head so far up their ass. They won't allow gay marriage and the gays love each other but their relationship is awful. What is wrong with it? I don't care is they get married as long as they stay away from my dong... Equal rights! Marriage: a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction: trial marriage; homosexual marriage.
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