The vast majority of vegetarians (including vegans) don't need to take supplements. The only vital nutrient found in meat that a vegetarian may not get enough of is vitamin B12, which one could get through fortified foods like tofu, soy milk, cereals, and a whole lot of other options.
I'm afraid for vegetarians
" @DanielJW said:yea but we have guns :)"Our teeth aren't actually meant for eating meat. Our "fangs" are way too small and not very sharp. If you look at animals that are truly omnivorous their fangs are still much larger and sharper than ours. They have much smaller insisors for tearing meat off of bone. Their jaws are also much stronger. And the biggest reason that some animals kill animals is because they have to survive. "
"@FiestaUnicorn said:" @DanielJW said:yea but we have guns :)""Our teeth aren't actually meant for eating meat. Our "fangs" are way too small and not very sharp. If you look at animals that are truly omnivorous their fangs are still much larger and sharper than ours. They have much smaller insisors for tearing meat off of bone. Their jaws are also much stronger. And the biggest reason that some animals kill animals is because they have to survive. "
So do bears:)
" @EpicKool said:bears dont have guns!at least not ones that kill you"@FiestaUnicorn said:So do bears:) "" @DanielJW said:yea but we have guns :)""Our teeth aren't actually meant for eating meat. Our "fangs" are way too small and not very sharp. If you look at animals that are truly omnivorous their fangs are still much larger and sharper than ours. They have much smaller insisors for tearing meat off of bone. Their jaws are also much stronger. And the biggest reason that some animals kill animals is because they have to survive. "
"@FiestaUnicorn said:Bears do have guns!" @EpicKool said:bears dont have guns!at least not ones that kill you ""@FiestaUnicorn said:So do bears:) "" @DanielJW said:yea but we have guns :)""Our teeth aren't actually meant for eating meat. Our "fangs" are way too small and not very sharp. If you look at animals that are truly omnivorous their fangs are still much larger and sharper than ours. They have much smaller insisors for tearing meat off of bone. Their jaws are also much stronger. And the biggest reason that some animals kill animals is because they have to survive. "
dude I wounder if the only reason they don't eat meat is because they don't want to kill animals. if so that is retarded, it's like trying to fight Golbal warming on your own.
and BTW human teeth has evolved to be verry versatile even more than a bears. and yes we don't have fangs witch makes it easyer for us to handle our meat and clean it, witch a bear cant do (atleast in the same way)
" @EpicKool said:no they dont!"@FiestaUnicorn said:Bears do have guns! "" @EpicKool said:bears dont have guns!at least not ones that kill you ""@FiestaUnicorn said:So do bears:) "" @DanielJW said:yea but we have guns :)""Our teeth aren't actually meant for eating meat. Our "fangs" are way too small and not very sharp. If you look at animals that are truly omnivorous their fangs are still much larger and sharper than ours. They have much smaller insisors for tearing meat off of bone. Their jaws are also much stronger. And the biggest reason that some animals kill animals is because they have to survive. "
"Shit the average college student is practically a vegetarian with their diets of pizza, ramen noodles, and mac & cheese. "Quoted for truth. I could practically be considered a vegetarian if it wasn't for grabbing sushi at least once a month and I don't consider myself or try to be one. I enjoy chicken and beef, but it's just so expensive I seldom buy it, sticking with other sources of protein instead.
Having worked in a "health food" store, I could list off TONS of alternative foods you could buy that are full of protein or help prevent any number of diseases. (Just don't get me started on "Organic" food... seriously, if people who buy this stuff new how much gets shrunk and thrown out everyday.... ugg.)
One example of an alternative source of protein is edamame -- a type of soybean. If you ever get the opportunity to try out an Arame (seaweed) & Edamame (soybean) salad, give it a shot! It might sound unappetizing but it's really good and I consider myself to be someone with a "normal" taste in foods.
" @putz: Trust me, we do fine with dairy, nuts, beans and seeds. "
Try reading up on the subject instead of getting information from your redneck republican dad. Vegetarians get plenty of protein. Meat consumption is linked to many kinds of cancer. High fibre diets (aka vegetarians) reduce your chance of getting numerous forms of cancer.
If you doubt my supreme knowledge, go read up on the topic at the American Cancer Society, or any other cancer society around the world.
Then read up on how meat is produced, and about the legal quantity of pussing tumor that is allowed to be sold as consumer grade AAA meat.
If yer still reading, we could go into peace, non-killing, and love... but thats probably a bit out of your league!
Most vegetarians eat eggs dont they? Only Vegans that don't.
Also, eating fish is ridiculously hypocritical, if someone is going to become a vegetarian to make a point, eating fish as well just invalidates that point. If they can't get all their required vitamins and minerals without eating fish, then hey, that just proves them wrong.
Even worse to cook for. Especially if the fuckers dont tell you they are vegetarian. What do they expect, I mean sure hosts are supposed to be well mannered but not fucking psychic.
I don't get it either I find it wierd and trust me there food doesn't taste anything like meat and I had a couple tell me it does.
I hate vegetarians because they are (or at least the ones I've met) very stuck-up and annoying. For instance, I'd offer to have lunch at some restaurant that serves meat with a group of people, and if one is a vegetarian, they'd make some snarky comment like "Oh no, I don't eat flesh." They seem to think they are single handedly saving the world, and that they are the only sane people. Obviously they're not all like that, but quite a few are.
I'm not sure what this whole vegans/vegetarians deal is, and I don't care, but I also find it immature: just because I don't like carrots, doesn't mean I'll never eat a carrot again... I'll cut back, and have minimal carots. Likewise for vegetarians: if you don't like meat, or you find it immoral or w/e, cut back. No need to eat ten pounds of hemp plant to substitute the protein every day just because you're a prat. Eat minimal meat, maybe stick to fish, but for gods sake, why the hell stop eating it altogether.
And the last reason that I hate vegetarians, is that (the ones that find it immoral) are kind of wusses. I hate to say it, but we are at the top of the food chain, and this is how nature works: eat or be eaten. If nature has flourished for millions of years, why all of a sudden become a total wuss: "how would you feel if someone ate your dad, it's like that for eating cows". No it's not! Cows don't have the capacity to have in-depth emotions: sure, maybe basic ones for survival purposes, but they're frankly too dumb to care to the extent that humans do. They have done scans of cows brains during different situations, and the only part of the brain that kicked up, was the part that deals with fear. Not sadness/anything else.
EDIT: I should also mentioned I don't force this on vegetarians: they can do what the hell they want. I just highly disagree with it.
EDIT2: Reading back in this thread makes it clear to me that the vegetarians in this thread are just as snobbish as the ones I've met in real life. Go figure.
Yeah I get that attitude shoved at me a lot, I have one simple response "Go fuck yourself" I don't have the time or the energy to argue with twats like that who think they are superman/woman because they don't eat meat. I do know a couple vegetarians who aren't like that though, but I know (not assuming, they have told me) they feel just as superior and hold much the same views as the asshole vegetarians except they don't say it out loud.
When I was in college, I used to eat the Italian Meats Trio pizza from Papa Johns. I had no idea I was still a vegetarian!Shit the average college student is practically a vegetarian with their diets of pizza, ramen noodles, and mac & cheese.
"@Sick_J0ke: uh oh watch out now they're gonna start calling you a "preachy vegetarian" for defending yourself"
There's a difference between defending yourself, and constantly acting as if you are better than everyone else, or constantly reminding them that you hate them. How about, nobody fucking cares that you're a vegetarian, get the fuck on with it.
I'm not gonna go around telling vegetarians they are stupid, misinformed or whatever else I might happen to think of them, so why the hell do vegetarians have the right to proactively 'defend themselves' it's fucking bullshit.
Now, of course i'm only speaking to those who proactively shove their opinions unto other people, if you aren't one of those vegetarians I wholeheartedly apologize, i'll even cook you up a vegetarian lasagne with courgettes and stuff. But if you are, go the fuck away and stay there, normal people hate you.
" @Sick_J0ke said:And most of those health food and organic foods are ridiculously overpriced. One reason a lot of people these days eat more meat, and more fast food in general is because it's relatively cheap. How much does a pound of decent hamburger cost, $3? Now how much does a pound of soy burgers cost? Probably a lot more."Shit the average college student is practically a vegetarian with their diets of pizza, ramen noodles, and mac & cheese. "Having worked in a "health food" store, I could list off TONS of alternative foods you could buy that are full of protein or help prevent any number of diseases. (Just don't get me started on "Organic" food... seriously, if people who buy this stuff new how much gets shrunk and thrown out everyday.... ugg.)
and the reason it costs more is because people are demanding enough such that supply remains fixed at that equilibrium price. If it were a problem they'd lower the costs. econ 101 itt
I'm not mad. It's the same as what always crops up in the religion arguments, noboy minds what you beleive/don't believe, it's the shoving it in peoples faces they mind. Without that we can all get along. Like I said though it works both ways, this topics OP for example is stupid and misinformed. But so are many many vegetarians who persist in annoying people by preaching to them.
Ok so this topic isn't the best place to have any sort of logical discussion because it's just degenerated into vegetarian hate, but in normal surroundings (in my personal experience, so not all of them, just the ones i've had the displeasure of meeting) vegetarians are the first person to say something stupid or misinformed around the dinner table, and then follow it up with something preachy and superior sounding, after that point i'd rather punch them in the face than eat with them. I'm sure you would get the same feeling if I came and sat down at a table of vegetarians scoffing a burger and saying "Green? Fuck, thats the same colour as poison, wouldn't catch me eating any of that shit".
But the ones that don't do that are awsome usually, just like the people I know who are religious, we get on because even though I vehemently disagree with their beliefes, they aren't shoving it in my face all the time, and i'm not shoving my beliefs in theres.
" @bennyboy: I'm sure you would get the same feeling if I came and sat down at a table of vegetarians scoffing a burger and saying "Green? Fuck, thats the same colour as poison, wouldn't catch me eating any of that shit".that's pretty much what's been going on in this thread. a lot of hate for the vegs + vacuous ignorant remarks about their reasons for doing it. and so of course I try to set the record straight. But you don't see me unleashing the fury the way you did now do you
" @Symphony said:Hehe yep those foods generally are, especially in health food stores. But if people ae willing to pay those silly prices, they're gonna remain that way.
And most of those health food and organic foods are ridiculously overpriced. One reason a lot of people these days eat more meat, and more fast food in general is because it's relatively cheap. How much does a pound of decent hamburger cost, $3? Now how much does a pound of soy burgers cost? Probably a lot more. "
Costco actually has reaaaaally good veggie burger patties a price that is competitive with their meat ones >.> I'm normally not a fan of veggie burgers (like the ones made by YVes and such, ick) but Costco's are full of pure awesome.
If by people eating more meat you mean the fast food types like hamburger meat, then yeah I definitely see your point. However that type of meat really has no health benefits -- you're basically giving that up when you opt to spend less money. Besides, soy burgers are a luxury food item. If you're just looking for protein you can buy different types of soy beans bulk for cheap, cook them or turn them into a salad.
Well, theres been a couple of stupid threads like this lately, and my response in all of them has been almost exactly the same. A lot of people are ignorant and stupid, this is the internet. So some asshole starts up a veggy hate thread? It should be obvious from the original post that the thread is going to be full of ignorance and stupidity from people only barely old enough and intelligent enough to have an opinion in the first place. So why even bother to 'defend yourself' from morons like that? You don't need to plain and simple, everyone can see how stupid most of the people in this thread are so by responding you're only further enforcing the attitude these people have, especially by responding in such a sarcastic and preachy manner as some people have.
I've seen other threads on other forums where vegetarians tell me how stupid I am for eating meet, but you know what I do? I go and talk about videogames instead, or a topic that I actually give a shit about. You should probably do the same.
Although tbh this just raises the question why am I here? Hypicritically, i'm bored out of my fucking mind because my gaming chair is uncomfortable as hell right now because of some stitches in my back, I want to be playing Dead Space ;_; but I can only play half hour or so before it gets too uncomfortable again.
"oh and if you yourself realize hate and stupidity in this thread the least you could do is not contribute to it by adding more hate and stupidity with your own posts."
I'm only hating on people who feel the need to preach their shit in peoples faces and act superior. Like I said, any vegetarians that don't get the fucking medal of respect from me i'll even cook them up a nice vegetarian meal, on the house. Besides, if anything i've thrown equal hate at both sides. Check my post on the first page, OP's a fucking moron as are most people who share his ideas. But as I said, so are a lot of vegetarians, probably an equal percentile, I guess it's just human nature to be a dick and assume the rest of humanity should do things your way.
Edit: And i'm allowed to be bored, like I said I can't do a whole lot else right now without risk of hurting myself until something like thursday/friday because i've just had an op. What's your excuse? ;)
Fine whatever preachy-boy, no veggie lasagne for you. I said that a lot of people are clearly not worth arguing with because they are dumb as bricks, perhaps the reason I was arguing with you was to see if I could evoke a reasonable and rational response from you instead of arguing in circles like you are attempting to make me do. So far all you've done is say "B b b but people are hating on vegetarians". So? A lot of you guys hate on meat eaters at the damned table and we have to put up with it.
Of course you can go wherever you like when your bored, don't let me stop you. What I meant was, this is the internet, people will say stupid, misinformed, moronic things, the only thing you do by acting preachy in response is re-enforce other peoples opinions of you. If anything I was giving you some advice, act a little less preachy and you make the OP and his idiotic viewpoints, and people agreeing with him, look even stupider.
You can be a vegetarian and still get everything that you could get from meat, through nuts and supplements.
1) I'm not a vegetarian.
@Sick_J0ke said:
"@pirate_republic:First off, just because fear was the only emotional response recorded from a cow doesn't make it any better. Sadness is an emotion derived from fear, a psychologist will tell you that. So it's hard to directly measure sadness.Second, because something doesn't have the capacity for in-depth emotions makes it okay to kill them for food? Really?! Well then while we're at it I guess we should cook ourselves up some babies.... or even the mentally disabled! MMmmm delicious.Third, highest on the food chain? Yea we're so dangerous and badass that we need other people to kill the animal and prepare the meat for us. If you really think we're high on the food chain then do this... buy a goat, and try to kill it, let me know how that goes... Using the "we're the best, biggest, baddest people in the food chain" excuse is not a valid argument. Eating meat is a personal choice, not a necessity of our species."
Hmmm... have you ever seen a national geographic nature documentary on, say, lions in Africa? They mercilessly kill, ripping cute little [insert prey here] like it's nothing. Do you think that's right or wrong? You mentioned that just because we're on the top of the food chain doesn't mean we have the right to kill... what about those lions? They're pretty much on the top of the food chain in Africa, and they don't have a problem with it. This goes for every other food chain out there. This is the way it works. Kill or be killed. This system has kept the balance of life in check for thousands of years.
Modernly, thanks to globalization, we can get plants with high protein to supplement our diet, making it possible to survive without meat. But that doesn't mean that we have to throw this successful way of life out the window, just because a few pampered humans, who've never seen the harshness of nature, feel guilty about killing a poor little cow.
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