Jullian Assange ARRESTED IN LONDON

" @WinterSnowblind said:

" @MooseyMcMan said:

" Good.  "

Because someone who's done nothing illegal has been arrested on phony charges? Care to elaborate? "

You know he didn't rape a girl? I guess since he's your hero now he's infallible. You know Assange doesn't fully deny the charges, right? I guess you don't know. The theme itt is people not knowing much about the subject matter. "

" @ryanwho said:

" @WinterSnowblind said:

" @MooseyMcMan said:

" Good.  "

Because someone who's done nothing illegal has been arrested on phony charges? Care to elaborate? "

You know he didn't rape a girl? I guess since he's your hero now he's infallible. You know Assange doesn't fully deny the charges, right? I guess you don't know. The theme itt is people not knowing much about the subject matter. "

The charges are not that he raped a girl in the traditional sense.  The charges are that he had sex with them without a condom. "

" @josty81 said:

" Wow the international community sure are committed to pursuing people accused of rape. I assume they're going to spend the same resources on every potential assault case from now on?   "

THIS "

" @ryanwho said:

" @WinterSnowblind said:

" @MooseyMcMan said:

" Good.  "

Because someone who's done nothing illegal has been arrested on phony charges? Care to elaborate? "

You know he didn't rape a girl? I guess since he's your hero now he's infallible. You know Assange doesn't fully deny the charges, right? I guess you don't know. The theme itt is people not knowing much about the subject matter. "

The charges are not that he raped a girl in the traditional sense.  The charges are that he had sex with them without a condom. "

" @Doctorchimp said:

" @MooseyMcMan: You honestly believe everything the US is doing overseas is to make sure your ass is saved? Every action is only motivated by that?  You are sorely mistaken my friend. "

What I'm saying is that the government will operate better and more smoothly if the general public doesn't know every last thing that is going on. No, not everything they do is motivated by that, and I'm sure that a lot of it is motivated by nothing more than politicians wanting to make a profit, but I think things go a lot more smoothly if people don't know about these things.   Whatever happened to the good old days when people supported their government, instead of questioning their every move? What's wrong with being a little patriotic, and showing some support for my government?  "

not strictly true....   I believe that it was consensual until the woman found out that he wasn't wearing protection, she then said NO and he continued...... "

Not to get too dramatic about this but I think doing anything to this guy is just going to make him a martyr. Silly politicians!

" @Doctorchimp said:

" @MooseyMcMan: You honestly believe everything the US is doing overseas is to make sure your ass is saved? Every action is only motivated by that?  You are sorely mistaken my friend. "

What I'm saying is that the government will operate better and more smoothly if the general public doesn't know every last thing that is going on. No, not everything they do is motivated by that, and I'm sure that a lot of it is motivated by nothing more than politicians wanting to make a profit, but I think things go a lot more smoothly if people don't know about these things.   Whatever happened to the good old days when people supported their government, instead of questioning their every move? What's wrong with being a little patriotic, and showing some support for my government?  "

" @MooseyMcMan said:

" @Doctorchimp said:

" @MooseyMcMan: You honestly believe everything the US is doing overseas is to make sure your ass is saved? Every action is only motivated by that?  You are sorely mistaken my friend. "

What I'm saying is that the government will operate better and more smoothly if the general public doesn't know every last thing that is going on. No, not everything they do is motivated by that, and I'm sure that a lot of it is motivated by nothing more than politicians wanting to make a profit, but I think things go a lot more smoothly if people don't know about these things.   Whatever happened to the good old days when people supported their government, instead of questioning their every move? What's wrong with being a little patriotic, and showing some support for my government?  "

Are you serious?
 
Your founding fathers considered patriotism to be keeping militia armies in order to rise up against the government in case the government started going against the wishes of the people.
 
I doubt that they would be very appreciative thinking of patriotism as being blind.
 
 @hunkaburningluv said:

not strictly true....   I believe that it was consensual until the woman found out that he wasn't wearing protection, she then said NO and he continued...... "

  Unfortunately I don't have the time to write out a response, but here is an article that describes the whole thing much better than I could. 
 
 http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/ "

He turned himself in. I'm sure he isn't too torn up about it, guys.

See we as the sheep should not question the shepard leading us. We'll just do what sheep are supposed to do, and support the shepard in any way we can. He will lead us to glory and prosperity, as long as we all follow him like sheep. He will keep us safe, feed us, and make money off our wool. It's a win win.
 
Is this right MooseyMcman?

EVen if the complaining women were put up to it then the swedes have to investigate it and once an international arrest warrant is issued the Brits have to arrest him pending extradition hearings.
 
It reamins to be proved but just because he is an anti-government hero to a lot of people doesn't mean he isn't also a rapist.

" @MooseyMcMan said:

" @Doctorchimp said:

" @MooseyMcMan: You honestly believe everything the US is doing overseas is to make sure your ass is saved? Every action is only motivated by that?  You are sorely mistaken my friend. "

What I'm saying is that the government will operate better and more smoothly if the general public doesn't know every last thing that is going on. No, not everything they do is motivated by that, and I'm sure that a lot of it is motivated by nothing more than politicians wanting to make a profit, but I think things go a lot more smoothly if people don't know about these things.   Whatever happened to the good old days when people supported their government, instead of questioning their every move? What's wrong with being a little patriotic, and showing some support for my government?  "

Perhaps the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read in my life.  The Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Iraq WMDs lies, Nixon/watergate, torture as a form of interrogation,  prove just how little these bastards deserve our trust.    "

DIRTY BASTARD GOVT TACTICS.

Bu bu bu if yoos has nuffin to hide then yoos has nuffin to fear from the gubment... And if you believe that then I have a bridge to sell you over the Pacific.

Does it really matter?  Shouldn't you guys give credit to the people obtaining the info? 

I think the rape charges are completely bogus but to be honest he deserves to be punished for the last load of stuff wikileaks released. It was in no way in public interest unlike the Afghanistan stuff and had no benefits being released. All it did was put rightfully secret information out for every terrorist in the world to see.

Apparently "ARRESTED and brought in" for the OP actually means "Turned himself in" to the rest of us. You're a hack, doctorchimp. 

This is a pretty big conspiracy me thinks.  Has anyone read the charges and the supposed events?  If they want him to go down for Wikileaks, thats one thing but these charges are ridiculous.  Millions of people would have been raped and lots of children would be rape children if we followed Swedens laws.  According to the reports, he is accused of rape because he had sex with someone, while they were drunk.  Do you know how many times I have been raped then?

" This is a pretty big conspiracy me thinks.  Has anyone read the charges and the supposed events?  If they want him to go down for Wikileaks, thats one thing but these charges are ridiculous.  Millions of people would have been raped and lots of children would be rape children if we followed Swedens laws.  According to the reports, he is accused of rape because he had sex with someone, while they were drunk.  Do you know how many times I have been raped then? "

If I download the files, is there a chance I could get in any sort of trouble? Or is there enough people downloading them that I need not worry?

" If I download the files, is there a chance I could get in any sort of trouble? Or is there enough people downloading them that I need not worry? "

I've stated it elsewhere - the problem with WikiLeaks is not the sentiment that underlies its activities.  Government transparency is, in controlled doses, a good thing, though I have good reason to believe that voters cannot make informed decisions based on the information released by WikiLeaks.  Have any corrupt politicians been specifically outed?  Is anyone's career on the ropes?  Has anything at all happened that will affect the day-to-day operation of the American government?  All that has happened is that individual activities have been sabotaged, at the expense of America's potential for success in its foreign relations endeavors (which have a very limited bearing on political outcomes).  So, US government remains unchanged, US efforts abroad fail, to the benefit of... whom?   
 
Will it benefit the free people of the world or will it benefit those countries or organizations who have better-kept secrets?  The ones with draconian laws that would allow them to stop this sort of thing without doctoring rape charges?  Can an honest government win a game where all the other players can cheat?  I don't think so.  I suppose those of you who are anti-US here would support the American government failing in its efforts abroad, but I'm curious which lesser evil you'd have it happen in favor of.  There aren't a lot of products on the market to choose from, and I say that with some regret.  
 
IRT, I guess that I don't see the point in this ridiculous manhunt on Assange.  The cat's out of the bag, and the guy's got to figure he's on a one way trip - he wouldn't do consent to be taken in unless he'd already spilled everything he had.  if this conversation has accomplished nothing else, it's proved that there are certainly plenty of people of a mindset that would lead them to take his place.  

I'm curious to see how this all plays out.  While Assange comes off as a bit of a scumbag in interviews I've seen, who should be the real villain in the eyes of the U.S. Government?  Is it Assange for allowing his site to offer info of these leaks or is it those who took the data/information in the first place?
 
Regardless, there is a lot of deep, dark, disturbing things the government keeps from us.  In a way, I find it interesting to see it finally getting out in the open.  I'm only 23, but in my short time, it seems the American Government has progressively started to take more and more from it's citizens (especially after 9/11).  It is systematically getting further and further away from the true ideals of democracy.  Again, just my opinion and I realize maybe I'm just ill-informed.  
 
I do realize there will be some serious repercussions because of these leaks though.  For those, I can only hope no one is hurt or killed.

The more days that pass, the more disgusted I am becoming by the American government and their treatment of an Australian citizen. As far as I'm concerned the Americans shouldn't count on us to help them the next time they feel like starting a war, or need Australia's aid with anything. I'm sure there are things that our government don't want released either, but as a member of the public I am disgusted and insulted beyond belief at his treatment. The way people are sitting back and letting this happen is just awful. It's not even just a matter of this man's innocence, but the fact that America is supposed to be a free country, which we can now all see it really, really isn't.

"Governments are here for the people and they damn well should be transparent. "

I was all majorly pro Wikileaks.. Until he released an article that had very specific details on where the best spots to commit a terrorist attack against Canada would be, citing areas that were weak such as some Nuclear Reactors, and so on. 
 
There was absolutely no need to do that. The Diplomatic Cables, fine. Embarassing, nice to know what the Diplomats are really saying, I don't believe any harm will come of that. 
 
Releasing very detailed articles that contain very specific information many groups who actively want and try to attack us - unacceptable. That is giving very sensitive, threatening information to the enemy. There is absolutely no reason that should have been done. Absolutely none. So while the whole honeypot thing to me is also pathetic, Assange can rot in a prison cell for all I care.

This guy should be charge with espionage, last time I check releasing classified documents is an act espionage. The idea of transparcy is a great idea, but sometime what a countries does is of no business of the people. Wars have been won and stopped by doing things that people. ether don't or don't want to know, and  vice versa, sometimes you need to get your hands dirty so that the people don't. It doesn't matter how you do it, it's that you get it done.

crazy man, this guy is very popular right now. just let him continue releasing things. 
 
so how about that anonymous people DDOS'ING visa and master card.

I blame wikileaks!

" If I download the files, is there a chance I could get in any sort of trouble? Or is there enough people downloading them that I need not worry? "

" @Pinworm45: When is the last time canada was attacked by a terrorist group? No terrorist feels the need to attack canada because canada doesnt invade middle eastern countries. 
 
Besides, Assenge asked every country he released documents about on what information they would like to keep out and he received unrealistic responses. 
 "

" @Gunner said:

" @Pinworm45: When is the last time canada was attacked by a terrorist group? No terrorist feels the need to attack canada because canada doesnt invade middle eastern countries. 
 
Besides, Assenge asked every country he released documents about on what information they would like to keep out and he received unrealistic responses. 
 "

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.  Canada has been attacked several times, we've just been fortunate enough to have a very effective counter terrorism group, and most plots against us are foiled. Many, many groups wish to attack us and indeed have done so.  As for not invading middle eastern countries.. you know we're in Afghanistan, right?  As for the ridiculousness of him receiving "unrealistic responses".. well I suppose that makes it perfectly okay for him to release information that can seriously harm our infrastructure and lives.  I don't think so. I hope he rots in that prison. "

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @Gunner said:

" @Pinworm45: When is the last time canada was attacked by a terrorist group? No terrorist feels the need to attack canada because canada doesnt invade middle eastern countries. 
 
Besides, Assenge asked every country he released documents about on what information they would like to keep out and he received unrealistic responses. 
 "

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.  Canada has been attacked several times, we've just been fortunate enough to have a very effective counter terrorism group, and most plots against us are foiled. Many, many groups wish to attack us and indeed have done so.  As for not invading middle eastern countries.. you know we're in Afghanistan, right?  As for the ridiculousness of him receiving "unrealistic responses".. well I suppose that makes it perfectly okay for him to release information that can seriously harm our infrastructure and lives.  I don't think so. I hope he rots in that prison. "

 Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.  "

" @Meowshi said:

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @Gunner said:

" @Pinworm45: When is the last time canada was attacked by a terrorist group? No terrorist feels the need to attack canada because canada doesnt invade middle eastern countries. 
 
Besides, Assenge asked every country he released documents about on what information they would like to keep out and he received unrealistic responses. 
 "

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.  Canada has been attacked several times, we've just been fortunate enough to have a very effective counter terrorism group, and most plots against us are foiled. Many, many groups wish to attack us and indeed have done so.  As for not invading middle eastern countries.. you know we're in Afghanistan, right?  As for the ridiculousness of him receiving "unrealistic responses".. well I suppose that makes it perfectly okay for him to release information that can seriously harm our infrastructure and lives.  I don't think so. I hope he rots in that prison. "

 Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.  "

The quote is "  They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety". "

"  Honestly, those reports were released months ago, if terrorist groups were going to do anything they would have already. "

" @Gunner said:

"  Honestly, those reports were released months ago, if terrorist groups were going to do anything they would have already. "

No they weren't. I'm not going to waste my time talking to someone who has absolutely no idea what's going on. "

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @Gunner said:

"  Honestly, those reports were released months ago, if terrorist groups were going to do anything they would have already. "

No they weren't. I'm not going to waste my time talking to someone who has absolutely no idea what's going on. "

lol umad.  EDIT- you do know that wikileaks has existed for several years now right? "

" @Gunner said:

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @Gunner said:

"  Honestly, those reports were released months ago, if terrorist groups were going to do anything they would have already. "

No they weren't. I'm not going to waste my time talking to someone who has absolutely no idea what's going on. "

lol umad.  EDIT- you do know that wikileaks has existed for several years now right? "

Why would I be mad because someone on the internet is talking about something they have no idea about? It's not like it's uncommon.  Hey, look, your edit highlights it: You still have absolutely no idea what's going on. "

" @Meowshi said:

" @Pinworm45 said:

" @Gunner said:

" @Pinworm45: When is the last time canada was attacked by a terrorist group? No terrorist feels the need to attack canada because canada doesnt invade middle eastern countries. 
 
Besides, Assenge asked every country he released documents about on what information they would like to keep out and he received unrealistic responses. 
 "

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.  Canada has been attacked several times, we've just been fortunate enough to have a very effective counter terrorism group, and most plots against us are foiled. Many, many groups wish to attack us and indeed have done so.  As for not invading middle eastern countries.. you know we're in Afghanistan, right?  As for the ridiculousness of him receiving "unrealistic responses".. well I suppose that makes it perfectly okay for him to release information that can seriously harm our infrastructure and lives.  I don't think so. I hope he rots in that prison. "

 Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.  "

The quote is "  They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".  And it has nothing to do with anything. Information the US collected on our very weak sensitive areas is somthing that was confidential for a very, very good reason. Such as, those areas not being attacked, and it was written in confidence because they were issues that were going to be worked on - in private.  Now that information is out in the open.  That information is not a liberty or a freedom of any kind. And if you don't understand why some information must be kept confidential, such as this, you're a moron.  Else why don't you just go drive to some really, really poor and run down neighbourhoods and leave all your doors unlocked. Else you're giving up freedom via easy access to your car for a little security.. and thus you deserve neither herp derp "

So, they can lock up this guy so easily but it takes them YEARS to even come close to Roman Polanski. Nothing fishy going on here. Nope. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110     
 
Assange was arrested and brought into the Magistrates Court to answer for his rape charges from August. 
 
EDIT: Assange was REFUSED bail and will remain in custody until December 14.  
 
In case you wanted to see The Guardian live feed of the court events.
  
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-us-embassy-cables-live-updates  
 
Julian Assange wrote to The Australian, which everyone who was at least slightly interested should read.
 
  http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mediadiary/index.php        
 
EDIT: Before I forget, here's a little tidbit I don't think everyone knows about one of the women who accused Assange of rape, even though it was consensual sex...
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/39394/julian-assanges-accuser-supposedly-tied-to-the-cia/

" Pardon my ignorance, but isn't leaking and spreading classified files still a crime, regardless of the intent behind it?   Even if they're using the rape charges as an excuse to detain him for the leaks, he'll still be tried for a crime he committed. Why's this such a huge outrage? "

So many would-be revolutionaries in this thread. Fantastic.