The Riddler is arguably more twisted than The Joker.

The Riddler reminds me of Jigsaw.

You do realize who this thread is going to attract...

Yeah, the Riddler is a more twisted than the Joker

jim carrey i full of win for this role.  if he played it 10 times more serious/chilling he'd be perfect imo

mmm can see your point, but still think joker is the more fucked up character, Joker as micheal caine says 'just wants to watch the world burn'. Riddler is a more merticulous psychopath who will plan eleborate traps and come up with insanely hard riddles, and at least give you a chance to survive, Joker doesnt, if he wants to kill you he will with no comprise, remorse or regret.

So yeah I can see your point, just dont agree, riddler is a great character though. Think next batman villian will be two face though since its setup in the dark knight, maybe one after that?

Riddler is stupid. If you want someone dead just kill him lolz

I do love the Riddler... But I prefer the Joker to be honest. And no, not because of the Dark Knight... I've just always liked the Joker more.

"mmm can see your point, but still think joker is the more fucked up character, Joker as micheal caine says 'just wants to watch the world burn'. Riddler is a more merticulous psychopath who will plan eleborate traps and come up with insanely hard riddles, and at least give you a chance to survive, Joker doesnt, if he wants to kill you he will with no comprise, remorse or regret.

So yeah I can see your point, just dont agree, riddler is a great character though. Think next batman villian will be two face though since its setup in the dark knight, maybe one after that?"

"You do realize who this thread is going to attract...

Yeah, the Riddler is a more twisted than the Joker
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Im going to have to disagree, because The Joker, doesnt just walk up to them laughing and stabs them. He doesnt shoot them because he wants to see all the emotions to come out and watch them beg to live but kills them anyways. As the riddler hell just play games which isnt as fun watching someone beg to live. Am i right?

i dont know both are pretty sick...... i have to agree that the joker just kills for the pure sake of killing.  the riddler seems to indulge in pointless head trips to completely rape his victims mind before he illustriously puts them to an end.  i'd have to say the riddlesr the sicker of the 2 imo

Eh.  All of Batman's villains are twisted and screwed up.

Yeah Jim Carey did a great job when he played the role of the riddler.

I don't want another Saw movie or the Riddler. I want Clayface!

I want the penguin

Riddler is cool but I like the Joker. Joker is just more crazy to me

I doubt the next Batman villain would be the riddler. He's too similar to the joker, and nobody is going to top Heath's performance, so they'll want something completely different so it can't be compared.

"Eh.  All of Batman's villains are twisted and screwed up.
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"Yeah Jim Carey did a great job when he played the role of the riddler.
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"Yeah Jim Carey did a great job when he played the role of the riddler.
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"svcheats1 said:

"Yeah Jim Carey did a great job when he played the role of the riddler.
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Sarcasm, right?
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Yikes.  I think if you honestly took the best of the Joker and put them up against the best of the Riddler, you will discover that the Joker is definitely the more twisted individual.  After all, in the comics, Joker shot and paralyzed Barbara Gordon, killed Robin (Jason Todd), and has consistently stood toe to toe against Batman in a fight (Dark Knight Returns).  Riddler does not even come close.  In fact, he's currently working as a detective to catch criminals!

Also, you should look up this term called the Riddler Factor.  Basically, this term was named after the Riddler and it describes a villain that is so inept and outclassed by the superhero that the only way he survives to the end of the issue or storyline is by sheer luck.  As David Campbell describes it, "Basically, the writer is on the villain's side...The Riddler Factor is like a big invisible Cloak of Lucky [sic] that protects the villain – until your 22 pages is up, that is. Then you get knocked out with one punch."

I think if they wanted to do the Joker again Kramer from seinfeld should play him...just make him muscle up....

"Jonathan said:

"svcheats1 said:

"Yeah Jim Carey did a great job when he played the role of the riddler.
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Sarcasm, right?
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Well, he did the best live action movie portrayal so far, didnt he?
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Whoever plays the Riddler (assuming he's next) is going to have a tough time being more psychotic than Ledger's Joker.

i like the riddler simply because of jim carrey

I honestly love Riddler.

"The Riddler reminds me of Jigsaw.
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You make an interesting case.

dude have you seen the joker in the dark knight he's devious

Riddler is such a random character he has no purpose...

Riddler is my favorite Batman villain, but you have to agree that the Joker is just more disturbing as a character. Not to mention the Joker is a much more recognizable villain to the audiance at large.

"I want the penguin"

I always liked the Joker more than the Riddler....

The Dark Knight joker reminds me a lot of Jigsaw. When he was in the cell after being beaten by Batman, and saying like you have got to play the game or whatever. That and his makeup reminded me so much of Jigsaw.

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The Riddler lacks in psychotic charisma but he is definatly just as if not more calculating thna the Joker.

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"Whoever plays the Riddler (assuming he's next) is going to have a tough time being more psychotic than Ledger's Joker. "

"musicalmac said:

"Whoever plays the Riddler (assuming he's next) is going to have a tough time being more psychotic than Ledger's Joker. "

I don't think so, just because you're dealing with a different brand of crazy. If The Riddler does end up being the next villain, the person that plays him needs to make him his own villain, not a Joker clone, IMO.
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He is more sinister indeed, I would also like to see him in the next movie.

Heh. Don't we have a "Riddler" and a "Joker" on this site?

I say we should have them fight each other in a battle of psychotics. :P

No, the joker is insane!

"dude have you seen the joker in the dark knight he's devious"

 Rain_Dog said:

"JJGIANT said:

"dude have you seen the joker in the dark knight he's devious"

I have seen it, but what does he really do that's that much worse than anything we've seen? Disappearing pencil trick? How about Nicky Santoro's magic trick from Casino, in which he viciously stabs you 40 times in the neck with an ink pen? Like someone else mentioned, Heath Ledger as The Joker has a lot of charisma and charisma attracts people. However, there are villains out there that are just as violent, if not more violent than him.
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"JJGIANT said:

"dude have you seen the joker in the dark knight he's devious"

I have seen it, but what does he really do that's that much worse than anything we've seen? Disappearing pencil trick? How about Nicky Santoro's magic trick from Casino, in which he viciously stabs you 40 times in the neck with an ink pen? Like someone else mentioned, Heath Ledger as The Joker has a lot of charisma and charisma attracts people. However, there are villains out there that are just as violent, if not more violent than him.
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WHy, THANK YOU.

Yes, Joker is a pussy, im better :)

Tell if that dumb clow can top this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ-_sj9jUIM

no? then settled. Riddles > jokes

Why_So_Serious, Freiza from Dragonball Z blew up entire inhabited planets, so yeah, there more violent characters out there. Anyway, I'm saying The Riddler is more twisted because he plans his murders in elaborate ways. People kill other people without thinking all the time (just look at the gangs in L.A.), but it takes a real psycho to plan someone's death in a way that they struggle and become demoralized in the last remaining moments of their lives.

I'm not saying The Joker isn't sick, twisted, insane, and all that, but how does that saying go? The quiestest one in the room is the one you should fear the most? While The Joker is laughing and explaining to everyone how crazy he is, The Riddler is observing and imagining ways to mindfuck you before he kills you.

I think the next Batman film will HAVE to use Thre Riddler. I mean there simply isn't any other interesting villains left, unless they wanna use the man-bat (too CGI) Mr. Freeze (*chills* NO) Clayface (would be too much like Sandman from Spiderman 3) or someone new (which totally wouldn't work). Maybe if they had him much more calm and collect, instead of a hyper Jim Carrey.

I love both The Riddler and The Joker, but the Joker is more messed up in the head.

needs more Robin