Who was, in your opinion, the greatest U.S. President?

I vote for Jackson.  Besides all the cool shit he did while in office, he was also an all around badass.

Let me get this straight. Lincoln was a tyrant, who caused the war by allowing the other states to secede and who never tried to preserve the union? Right...

ManMadeGod said:

Nothing I said was simple minded. You clam that "He unified a divided country that was embroiled in warfare" yet when lincoln took office, only 7 states had declared that they no longer wanted to be part of the United States. Most southern states, like Virgin, had voted against succession even after Lincoln became president. A few months later there was 11 states that had left and  war had erupted. Lincoln did nothing to avoid this war. My fellow Americans need to see Lincoln for what he was: a tyrant. Sorry if I would rather of have a peaceful Emancipation like Britain and the the rest of the world. I'm sorry if I don't support Lincoln's War.

Jefferson Davis sent  numerous peace convoys to Washington and all where totally ignored. Thousands of Americans (such as Francis Key Howard) where arrest and throw into jail without a trail for speaking out against the war. If you so wish to do some research (which you clam to do), go track down old newspaperarticals (and headlines) from the start of the war (1860-61). You will find that many northern papers spoke out against Lincon's decition to coax the South into firing the first shot. Of course, almost all of these papers where censored or shut down once the war started. To the victor goes to the spoils, and one of the spoils of this war was the history books. People need to spend more time looking into the problems the country was going through at this time, and the disastrous Lincoln administration. If you wish to read more about the secret police force set up by William Sweard, and the thousands of Americans arrested, please pick up Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln by James G Randall. Or you could just read up on Clement L. Vallandigham, a member of the house who was a arrested for speaking out against "honest abe".

I could keep going, but I rather not. Since you clam to research stuff, you can fill in the rest if you so care to learn the truth. Speaking of research, care to answer my question now? "

FDR, without hesitation.

"jakob187 said:

"As a Republican, it's tough because we've had so many damn fine presidents in our party to choose from.  We've also had some slip-ups, but for the most part, we've done good for ourselves.

I've gotta pick Ronald Reagan, even though Abraham Lincoln was another great treasure for our party (and the first to boot!).

"

You fail to mention that at the time of Lincoln's Presidency, The Republican Party was the more left, or progressive party. A fine example of party loyalty at its finest. The man had totally opposite ideals than the ones currently held by the republican party. 

And Reagan, you gotta give the man props for being the first demon elected to office. Sadly enough, the man grew up in the very city I type this from.

"

"During Clinton's administration, we were at one of our weakest points in terms of security and safety as a nation."

Even though im biased, im gunna have to say Lincon. Not too many people can keep a country together during such horrible times like he did.

All the history books I read say Lincoln, but I've always liked Teddy Roosevelt. He seemed bigger than life. He was humble and aggressive at the same time. If I saw him in person and he said jump, I would be like... How high? Then he would hit me with his big stick and say... "Don't ask, do it."

Anyway, time for me to get meh head out of the clouds. Now I'm going to watch our current President speak. =P

"Let me get this straight. Lincoln was a tyrant, who caused the war by allowing the other states to secede and who never tried to preserve the union? Right...

ManMadeGod said:

Nothing I said was simple minded. You clam that "He unified a divided country that was embroiled in warfare" yet when lincoln took office, only 7 states had declared that they no longer wanted to be part of the United States. Most southern states, like Virgin, had voted against succession even after Lincoln became president. A few months later there was 11 states that had left and  war had erupted. Lincoln did nothing to avoid this war. My fellow Americans need to see Lincoln for what he was: a tyrant. Sorry if I would rather of have a peaceful Emancipation like Britain and the the rest of the world. I'm sorry if I don't support Lincoln's War.

Jefferson Davis sent  numerous peace convoys to Washington and all where totally ignored. Thousands of Americans (such as Francis Key Howard) where arrest and throw into jail without a trail for speaking out against the war. If you so wish to do some research (which you clam to do), go track down old newspaperarticals (and headlines) from the start of the war (1860-61). You will find that many northern papers spoke out against Lincon's decition to coax the South into firing the first shot. Of course, almost all of these papers where censored or shut down once the war started. To the victor goes to the spoils, and one of the spoils of this war was the history books. People need to spend more time looking into the problems the country was going through at this time, and the disastrous Lincoln administration. If you wish to read more about the secret police force set up by William Sweard, and the thousands of Americans arrested, please pick up Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln by James G Randall. Or you could just read up on Clement L. Vallandigham, a member of the house who was a arrested for speaking out against "honest abe".

I could keep going, but I rather not. Since you clam to research stuff, you can fill in the rest if you so care to learn the truth. Speaking of research, care to answer my question now? "

No. I will not answer your question. Just as I will not waste my time arguing with someone claiming the sky is green and the grass is blue.

If you have been living in America, you have clearly never attended school. Your grammar, spelling, and general thought/word progression indicate an alarming lack in knowledge of the English language. I decided not to even address some of your more batshit crazy ideas, as doing so would be an acknowledgement of competent intellectual capacity on your part; this is something you are not in possession of.

If you are not native to America, then I believe you must be illegal. Because, unless I am very mistaken, the application for citizenship requires a rudimentary knowledge of American history and culture. But let's say you are an immigrant, and a legal one at that. Your atrocious use of the English language is representative of your short time spent in this country. Without understanding the language, the history and culture of America, you have no ability to form an accurately informed response to the question this poll/topic poses.

So to wrap things up, you're ignorant and unintelligent.

/end."

Bill Clinton...He did NOT have sex with Monica lewinsky!

"ManMadeGod said:

I was expected more than this shallow response. I love how you totally avoided my question and deiced to attack where I live (and guess wrong in the process).
Nothing I said was simple minded. You clam that "He unified a divided country that was embroiled in warfare" yet when lincoln took office, only 7 states had declared that they no longer wanted to be part of the United States. Most southern states, like Virgin, had voted against succession even after Lincoln became president. A few months later there was 11 states that had left and  war had erupted. Lincoln did nothing to avoid this war. My fellow Americans need to see Lincoln for what he was: a tyrant. Sorry if I would rather of have a peaceful Emancipation like Britain and the the rest of the world. I'm sorry if I don't support Lincoln's War.

Jefferson Davis sent  numerous peace convoys to Washington and all where totally ignored. Thousands of Americans (such as Francis Key Howard) where arrest and throw into jail without a trail for speaking out against the war. If you so wish to do some research (which you clam to do), go track down old newspaper articals (and headlines) from the start of the war (1860-61). You will find that many northern papers spoke out against Lincon's decision to coax the South into firing the first shot. Of course, almost all of these papers where censored or shut down once the war started. To the victor goes to the spoils, and one of the spoils of this war was the history books. People need to spend more time looking into the problems the country was going through at this time, and the disastrous Lincoln administration. If you wish to read more about the secret police force set up by William Sweard, and the thousands of American's arrested, please pick up Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln by James G Randall. Or you could just read up on Clement L. Vallandigham, a member of the house who was a arrested for speaking out against "honest abe".

I could keep going, but I rather not. Since you clam to research stuff, you can fill in the rest if you so care to learn the truth. Speaking of research, care to answer my question now? "

Alright, I can't take you seriously when you write like that. "

As a non American I got to go with the president that gave the rest of us the most laffs and how could that be anyone but Bush Jr. Clinton also cause he totally scored with that chick.

Bill Clinton.
Damn, that guys my homedog

"BoG said:

"ManMadeGod said:

I was expected more than this shallow response. I love how you totally avoided my question and deiced to attack where I live (and guess wrong in the process).
Nothing I said was simple minded. You clam that "He unified a divided country that was embroiled in warfare" yet when lincoln took office, only 7 states had declared that they no longer wanted to be part of the United States. Most southern states, like Virgin, had voted against succession even after Lincoln became president. A few months later there was 11 states that had left and  war had erupted. Lincoln did nothing to avoid this war. My fellow Americans need to see Lincoln for what he was: a tyrant. Sorry if I would rather of have a peaceful Emancipation like Britain and the the rest of the world. I'm sorry if I don't support Lincoln's War.

Jefferson Davis sent  numerous peace convoys to Washington and all where totally ignored. Thousands of Americans (such as Francis Key Howard) where arrest and throw into jail without a trail for speaking out against the war. If you so wish to do some research (which you clam to do), go track down old newspaper articals (and headlines) from the start of the war (1860-61). You will find that many northern papers spoke out against Lincon's decision to coax the South into firing the first shot. Of course, almost all of these papers where censored or shut down once the war started. To the victor goes to the spoils, and one of the spoils of this war was the history books. People need to spend more time looking into the problems the country was going through at this time, and the disastrous Lincoln administration. If you wish to read more about the secret police force set up by William Sweard, and the thousands of American's arrested, please pick up Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln by James G Randall. Or you could just read up on Clement L. Vallandigham, a member of the house who was a arrested for speaking out against "honest abe".

I could keep going, but I rather not. Since you clam to research stuff, you can fill in the rest if you so care to learn the truth. Speaking of research, care to answer my question now? "

Alright, I can't take you seriously when you write like that. "

All of my points are valid.
"

I'm going to go in a bit of a different direction. I'll say the best was Harry S.  Often overlooked, he had some of the highest and lowest (even lower than Bush 43) approval ratings in United States Presidential History.  The Fair Deal revolutionized healthcare, and set the stage for Medicare in the 60s.  But the most important part of his presidency was his character.  He was logical and pretty down to Earth.  Who else could have said "The Buck Stops Here" and really have meant it.  Plus, you gotta love the fact that his middle name was a single letter.  

Really was hoping for a Hoover option.

In all seriousness though, Teddy Roosevelt. What's not to like about a President who was a commander of the Rough Riders?

I have to go with Lincoln.  He deceived a world into believing he was a just guy.  While in reality he only freed the slaves to piss off the other opposing party members.  All while living a secretly gay life.  He was one of the world's greatest hucksters.  Few have ever joked like he did. 

Clinton cums to a close number 2.  Come on, that guy was great!  

Teddie Roosevelt
 
   

 
I was going to answer Teddy to begin with, and then have a very descriptive paragraph or two about why I think he was the best President.

Sadly I thought this idea was funny for about five minutes, about the time it took to make it. Afterward I realized the stupidity of this joke, but by then it had already been uploaded to the site. Without any justification, it would have sat there for all eternity; destined only to make people resent me for uploading useless images.

Just like my picture of Lil' John swimming in a sea of Crunk.

But by now you have ceased reading this this pointless justification of a pointless image, and hopefully you are now using the time you would have spent reading further for a greater and more meaningful purpose.

Or you are still reading this.

I pity you.

I hate this question. As a libertarian, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan would be the best by their supposed "beliefs". But when in office, they all abused their power.

Power always corrupts. And to be honest, I can't even vote on this because I don't think we have ever had a good president.

Man, hoover didn't make it on the list? gs.

I was undecided between Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, and I voted Teddy Rosevelt, even though I can't make up my mind.

HAHAHAHA! My girl friend is black! Maybe me and jefferson are related.

(She's actually half black, but since her dads black she is legally black)

I decided that I also want to give a shout out for Truman. For a man to take action for his country, to the degree that he did, despite knowing he would never be able to live with himself again, is something I appreciate.

It's doubtful he ever had a night's sleep after that. I feel for him.

"

I decided that I also want to give a shout out for Truman. For a man to take action for his country, to the degree that he did, despite knowing he would never be able to live with himself again, is something I appreciate.

It's doubtful he ever had a night's sleep after that. I feel for him.

"

"FDR, without hesitation.
"

"I hate this question. As a libertarian, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan would be the best by their supposed "beliefs". But when in office, they all abused their power.

Power always corrupts. And to be honest, I can't even vote on this because I don't think we have ever had a good president.
"

"I hate this question. As a libertarian, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan would be the best by their supposed "beliefs". But when in office, they all abused their power.

Power always corrupts. And to be honest, I can't even vote on this because I don't think we have ever had a good president.
"

FDR easy we would all be speaki.... well you get it.

Bill Clinton....lol, I joke.  My god

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"I hate this question. As a libertarian, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan would be the best by their supposed "beliefs". But when in office, they all abused their power.

Power always corrupts. And to be honest, I can't even vote on this because I don't think we have ever had a good president.
"

A libertarian... You said in another thread you didn't belong to a party. The last time I checked, there is a libertarian party.
"

"Claude said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"I hate this question. As a libertarian, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan would be the best by their supposed "beliefs". But when in office, they all abused their power.

Power always corrupts. And to be honest, I can't even vote on this because I don't think we have ever had a good president.
"

A libertarian... You said in another thread you didn't belong to a party. The last time I checked, there is a libertarian party.
"

I'm not THAT kind of libertarian. I'm a Rothbard libertarian....or anarchist. Whatever, just semantics. And just because I don't have a party doesn't mean I don't have ideals which can be given names.

Even if I did belong to a party, it sure as hell wouldn't be the libertarian party...they are a joke...just look at who they chose for their last candidate.
"

Abe is watching.

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"Claude said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"I hate this question. As a libertarian, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan would be the best by their supposed "beliefs". But when in office, they all abused their power.

Power always corrupts. And to be honest, I can't even vote on this because I don't think we have ever had a good president.
"

A libertarian... You said in another thread you didn't belong to a party. The last time I checked, there is a libertarian party.
"

I'm not THAT kind of libertarian. I'm a Rothbard libertarian....or anarchist. Whatever, just semantics. And just because I don't have a party doesn't mean I don't have ideals which can be given names.

Even if I did belong to a party, it sure as hell wouldn't be the libertarian party...they are a joke...just look at who they chose for their last candidate.
"

Would you by any means be in support of a restructuring of the system in America then? Perhaps more a fan of fusion rather than separation?
"

"Snipzor said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"Claude said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"I hate this question. As a libertarian, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan would be the best by their supposed "beliefs". But when in office, they all abused their power.

Power always corrupts. And to be honest, I can't even vote on this because I don't think we have ever had a good president.
"

A libertarian... You said in another thread you didn't belong to a party. The last time I checked, there is a libertarian party.
"

I'm not THAT kind of libertarian. I'm a Rothbard libertarian....or anarchist. Whatever, just semantics. And just because I don't have a party doesn't mean I don't have ideals which can be given names.

Even if I did belong to a party, it sure as hell wouldn't be the libertarian party...they are a joke...just look at who they chose for their last candidate.
"

Would you by any means be in support of a restructuring of the system in America then? Perhaps more a fan of fusion rather than separation?
"

If by restructuring, you mean dismantling the system, then yup  haha.

And what do you mean by fusion and separation?
"

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"Snipzor said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"Claude said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"I hate this question. As a libertarian, Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan would be the best by their supposed "beliefs". But when in office, they all abused their power.

Power always corrupts. And to be honest, I can't even vote on this because I don't think we have ever had a good president.
"

A libertarian... You said in another thread you didn't belong to a party. The last time I checked, there is a libertarian party.
"

I'm not THAT kind of libertarian. I'm a Rothbard libertarian....or anarchist. Whatever, just semantics. And just because I don't have a party doesn't mean I don't have ideals which can be given names.

Even if I did belong to a party, it sure as hell wouldn't be the libertarian party...they are a joke...just look at who they chose for their last candidate.
"

Would you by any means be in support of a restructuring of the system in America then? Perhaps more a fan of fusion rather than separation?
"

If by restructuring, you mean dismantling the system, then yup  haha.

And what do you mean by fusion and separation?
"

I wanted to add "...of powers" to the two. Specifically parliamentary or presidential, because it seems as if you let out that one executive representative cannot properly do their job.
"

I dont know much abot US presidency, but id say Clinton, i saw that guy once.. only he was 2000 feet in the air.... in a plane, and i was liek 8

Ulysses S Grant.... NOT... Worst president in history. Robert E Lee would have been a much better president. If it weren't for him being leader of the confederate army, he probably would have been.

Keeping it real with the abemonster!