@remmy: I've seen a person in one of these threads arguing that Saint Maurice was not black and there seems to be similar opinions elsewhere on the internet. Obviously I don't know what the developers actually think.
You say that Saint Maurice would not be common knowledge for people in this region, but were the other saints referenced in this game so much more popular and a part of the peoples lives? Like saint Procopius, or Wilgefortis? I'm asking this seriously as I do not know.

Yeah I think "historical fiction" would be a more apt description for this game.

The one saint mentioned in passing, from what I remember on the description of the sword, was a patron saint of mercenaries. Given that almost everyone that Henry interacts with is a mercenary, soldier or brigand it would make sense for a mercenary to know about that saint. The other one was, if I'm remembering right, George which would be a pretty famous saint anywhere. I'm not sure why you're obsessed with saints, though. They're not commonly brought up in the game. The player character starts the game as an illiterate blacksmith's son and doesn't have any religious education at all beyond what any peasant would have.

@sputty: I'm not obsessed with saints, but we are discussing the lack of people of color in this game, and Saint Maurice being black, and from my understanding a popular patron saint in Bohemia, is not referenced anywhere in the game while a bunch of other saints are, whether it be in documents or quests or whatever. It's a just a notable observation in the overall conversation.

How could I answer this without context? Who said it, and what were they discussing when they referenced them? I see that Wilgefortis is regarded as potentially folklore, and a bearded lady to boot, making it something you could argue would appeal more to commonfolk as a sort of funny story to tell. Why do you feel that Maurice was so popular, so much so that not including him equals racism? I see no mention of Maurice in Bohemian culture during the game's time-frame beyond Charles IV having items related to him, and he was an avid collector.

@remmy:A lot of these references to saints are just in documents you can find, I think? I'm looking at a wikia.
I read that Saint Maurice became associated with the House of Luxembourg which seems important. I have never said that not including St. Maurice equals racism, I simply read that he became a popular saint and image in medieval Bohemia. What is racist though are Daniel Vávras hateful and ignorant tweets about skin color and Islam among other things. When I read stuff like that by a lead dev, I naturally question the historical vision of his game.
It makes me wonder whether he excluded people of color from the game because of racist reasons, when including some would not take away any authenticity.

@boonsong man, you're just talking in circles now. This whole conversation started because you said "I'm still waiting for someone to justify why Maurice isn't in the game, because he should be", but you still haven't given one example of why he should be. What does it mean that he was 'associated with the House of Luxembourg'? How so?

@boonsong: the game has plenty of Cumans which are not white people. Do I dunno where you're getting a lack of people if color.

@remmy:He was a patron saint of the House of Luxembourg. Your argument was that he had been dead for a long time, so how could he have been included in the game.

@rk92: There should be more.

Austin makes the very good point too that standing tall on historical accuracy for the era is a fool's errand anyway. Very little is 100% certain, so when you combine that with Vavra's comments, not taking the opportunities they could have taken to put in at least ONE black person, it just isn't a good look IMO.

I'd be curious how diverse the staff is. When I was listening to the Waypoint cast, it made me think of when Manveer was on and his talking about how higher ups shot down ideas against the direction in ME Andromeda and how the environment wasn't one that you could push back. I don't know Vavra, but when I see people that say the shit he does, it makes me think even if someone came to him during development about putting a black person in the game, he'd be inclined to shoot it down out of hand and quite frankly, that sucks.

@sethmode: True, very little is known for sure of this period of history and I myself know extremely little, so there is probably no point in me going further. I feel like I have said my peace anyway.

@boonsong: Sorry if it sounded like me trying to shoot you down. I agree with you. I just find it silly that Vavra and by extension are using history as their foil when it's hardly a reliable one.

@sethmode: No not at all. And yes I agree, especially Vávra's response to some of the criticism has been childish and immature, to say the least.

Wow. Just... wow.

No he wasn't dude. Link me to even one source that says that he was the patron saint of the House of Luxembourg. Just one.

Will this game set the record for number of threads about it that need to be closed?