So I do every Loyalty mission correctly(except Zaeed. Mission was bullshit), get every character, talk the hell out of every character, load my ship up with everything, and feel like I can take on the world. Now I'm starting to storm the collector base, not expecting the quiz the game's about to throw at me.
 
First question: "That's a suicide run," Jacob says. "You're gonna need someone who's really fast and good with electronics," Miranda says. I look down the list, read each description carefully, ponder the choice for a long-ass time, and choose Legion. He's made of fucking metal, can perform "unparalleled" amounts of calculations per second, and I just did his Loyalty mission and bought him a new fucking sniper rifle. So I escort this asshole all the way down a tube, killing collectors and pressing buttons. I get to the final one and the cutscene starts. Well, yeah I paid for that sniper rifle. And yeah, I did his mission. But what I didn't count on was him getting killed by a fucking DOOR. Seriously, what reason could a robot have to poke his head out and check on the fight that's goin' on? I don't even get to see what kills him, just a random yellow thing bops him in the head and the Sad music starts playing. Now I gotta live with the fact that there's a space-coffin in my ship with a fucking ROBOT in it. Yeah, Shepard, pat that robot coffin all sad-like. 39 hours in, and without any saves to go back to. Fuck.
 
 
Edit: Almost forgot. Seriously? A Burning-Man/Terminator? Alright. Wait a second. Seriously?
 
 
 
 
Thoughts?

lol, that's funny. On my game it was Thane in the coffin. So sad.

Who was the team leader? If you choose a bad fireteam leader, he pays the price. 

Most important question: Why in the name of hell do you not have a save game to go back to? 
 
Edit:  @FunExplosions 
I picked the same choices, Legion and Samara and Legion ate it. Garrus, evidently, is the smart choice for squad leader and Legion or Tali for the vents with that. 
 
I find it strange though.. When you pick Samara as squad leader Miranda specifically says that is was a good choice. Kind of a bummer that they make you think you picked well only to go "Oh snap, nope!".

You should have picked someone with experience as a leader, i.e. Miranda or Garrus.

" Most important question: Why in the name of hell do you not have a save game to go back to? "

More importantly, did he explode?  And if so, was it fun? 
 
Anyways, the right answer was either Jacob, Miranda, or Garrus to lead the B-team.  Others? I don't know because I didn't try anyone else other than them.

" @General_D23: Think I chose Samara. Her description says something like, "centuries of experience." And Miranda hints, "You'll need someone with extensive combat experience." Who should I have picked? Jacob? "

" @General_D23: Think I chose Samara. Her description says something like, "centuries of experience." And Miranda hints, "You'll need someone with extensive combat experience." Who should I have picked? Jacob? "

" @General_D23: Think I chose Samara. Her description says something like, "centuries of experience." And Miranda hints, "You'll need someone with extensive combat experience." Who should I have picked? Jacob? "

" @FunExplosions said:

" @General_D23: Think I chose Samara. Her description says something like, "centuries of experience." And Miranda hints, "You'll need someone with extensive combat experience." Who should I have picked? Jacob? "

Thats your problem right there. Samara may have centuries of experience, but none of it is leadership experience. Justicar's work alone. Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob are the three that you should choose. "

i was kinda like cringing too because garrus got shot in the stomach and then the rest of the time they didn't show him anymore, but he made it in the end
 
garrus: a tough dude

" @Nexas said:

" @FunExplosions said:

" @General_D23: Think I chose Samara. Her description says something like, "centuries of experience." And Miranda hints, "You'll need someone with extensive combat experience." Who should I have picked? Jacob? "

Thats your problem right there. Samara may have centuries of experience, but none of it is leadership experience. Justicar's work alone. Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob are the three that you should choose. "

Out of curiousity, because I haven't replayed it yet (not sure I will.. I'm cut that I lost three members, including two I really liked, but I like the idea of some repercussions for the third game).. Does Miranda just say whoever you pick is a good choice? "

" @Vamino: Don't remember if she said it for Samara, but she liked it when I picked Garrus to lead later on. Btw, did anyone else's second team-leader take a bullet and live? "

" @Vamino: Don't remember if she said it for Samara, but she liked it when I picked Garrus to lead later on. Btw, did anyone else's second team-leader take a bullet and live? "

" @Vamino said:

" @Nexas said:

" @FunExplosions said:

" @General_D23: Think I chose Samara. Her description says something like, "centuries of experience." And Miranda hints, "You'll need someone with extensive combat experience." Who should I have picked? Jacob? "

Thats your problem right there. Samara may have centuries of experience, but none of it is leadership experience. Justicar's work alone. Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob are the three that you should choose. "

Out of curiousity, because I haven't replayed it yet (not sure I will.. I'm cut that I lost three members, including two I really liked, but I like the idea of some repercussions for the third game).. Does Miranda just say whoever you pick is a good choice? "

 i think when i picked garrus, she said something along the lines of 'well.. at least he's got the experience' or something, so i actually thought i'd made a bad choice at the time. "

" @FunExplosions said:

" @Vamino: Don't remember if she said it for Samara, but she liked it when I picked Garrus to lead later on. Btw, did anyone else's second team-leader take a bullet and live? "

Yep, Garrus got shot and I was like "NO!" but then he stood up and the mission continued. "

"Yep, Garrus got shot and I was like "NO!" but then he stood up and the mission continued. "

Did you side with Tali in her and Legion's argument? Maybe that could have effected his loyalty.

" It still doesn't make sense though. How does picking Samara for example makes Legion poke his head out the door? There's no causation at all.  "

" It still doesn't make sense though. How does picking Samara for example makes Legion poke his head out the door? There's no causation at all.  "

" @kheldorin said:

" It still doesn't make sense though. How does picking Samara for example makes Legion poke his head out the door? There's no causation at all.  "

If you have Samara leading your secondary team--someone who doesn't really excel at coordinating groups in militaristic situations--then casualties are bound to happen. Lack of skill/experience = lack of desired efficiency. That's causation enough for me. "

" @Sir_Ragnarok said:

" @kheldorin said:

" It still doesn't make sense though. How does picking Samara for example makes Legion poke his head out the door? There's no causation at all.  "

If you have Samara leading your secondary team--someone who doesn't really excel at coordinating groups in militaristic situations--then casualties are bound to happen. Lack of skill/experience = lack of desired efficiency. That's causation enough for me. "

I think it's just that the causation is so strange. Like, it would have made some level of sense if someone on the secondary team had died because of her lack of leadership ability, but it's the techie instead.  My biggest problem with it was when I was watching it I was just thinking "WHY ARE YOU STICKING YOUR HEAD OUT THERE LEGION?!" then rocket to the face. "

" @Vamino said:

" @Sir_Ragnarok said:

" @kheldorin said:

" It still doesn't make sense though. How does picking Samara for example makes Legion poke his head out the door? There's no causation at all.  "

If you have Samara leading your secondary team--someone who doesn't really excel at coordinating groups in militaristic situations--then casualties are bound to happen. Lack of skill/experience = lack of desired efficiency. That's causation enough for me. "

I think it's just that the causation is so strange. Like, it would have made some level of sense if someone on the secondary team had died because of her lack of leadership ability, but it's the techie instead.  My biggest problem with it was when I was watching it I was just thinking "WHY ARE YOU STICKING YOUR HEAD OUT THERE LEGION?!" then rocket to the face. "

Haven't you seen the other way that scene unfolds? Say you have Garrus leading that team--he is smart enough to know stray Collector rounds are going to come through the door. He doesn't waste any time and orders the secondary team to create suppressing fire so that such a thing doesn't happen.   It makes perfect sense, man, the causation is there. The person you chose to lead the team didn't have the presence of mind to support the primary group. "

" that's weird. i chose him for that part too and he survived. you must have been too slow.  you know when you wait after the credits you can continue the game and press "load game" and there is a button you can press to restart the suicide mission? that's what i did after thane and samara died. the only reason they died is because i chose miranda as the biotic specialist. gat damn she is terrible. "

"I think it's just that the causation is so strange. Like, it would have made some level of sense if someone on the secondary team had died because of her lack of leadership ability, but it's the techie instead.  My biggest problem with it was when I was watching it I was just thinking "WHY ARE YOU STICKING YOUR HEAD OUT THERE LEGION?!" then rocket to the face. "

Garrus states over and over again that he led a 10-man group that severely messed with three different crime organizations.
 
Miranda's pretty much second-leader of Cerberus.
 
Anyway, I can't really comment much more than that, since on my two completed runs so far, everyone lived. Haven't seen anyone bite it. Would feel horrible if they did.

" Garrus states over and over again that he led a 10-man group that severely messed with three different crime organizations.  Miranda's pretty much second-leader of Cerberus.  Anyway, I can't really comment much more than that, since on my two completed runs so far, everyone lived. Haven't seen anyone bite it. Would feel horrible if they did. "

" Garrus states over and over again that he led a 10-man group that severely messed with three different crime organizations.  Miranda's pretty much second-leader of Cerberus.  Anyway, I can't really comment much more than that, since on my two completed runs so far, everyone lived. Haven't seen anyone bite it. Would feel horrible if they did. "

" @Capum15 said:

" Garrus states over and over again that he led a 10-man group that severely messed with three different crime organizations.  Miranda's pretty much second-leader of Cerberus.  Anyway, I can't really comment much more than that, since on my two completed runs so far, everyone lived. Haven't seen anyone bite it. Would feel horrible if they did. "

It's not so much the dying that bothers me but the reason why they die. I mean I sent Jack to do the escort knowing that she would die since she wasn't loyal.  So then the Joker told me she died sacrificing her life to protect the crew which made me feel guilty since I thought she would have done something disloyal instead and got herself killed in the process. "

That's probably the point in that particular death. "  

@kheldorin:  
Well, in Jack's case, if you do her romance, she explains she has severe survivor's guilt. Even not doing her romance and only gaining her trust and loyalty, you can kind of tell you are helping her cope with that. Doing that, it isn't much of strech to think she decides that she has something to live for and decides to give it her all and get the crew and herself out alive. 

Not doing her loyalty mission, it's not that much of a stretch that, in the same position her friend was, she made the choice to sacrifice herself to let other people live. 
 
And, of course, the death was also probably set up to make anyone who knew sending a certain person that they didn't like to die feel guilty.

 
Remind me not to go on any suicide missions with you.

I did the same, with Legion and Samara, the selfish bastard Zaeed was not loyal and also Miranda because of a stupid fight with Jack.
 
Legion and Thane died in my game, I don't like the idea at all, I could change it but I won't, I will take it and use the save for ME3.

I apparently got VERY lucky, hadn't used Moridin the entire game but figured his Incinerate would come in handy so only used him in my main squad for the very last mission... apparently if you don;t he dies pretty much every time. Lucked out on my very first attempt ^ ^.
 
Kinda makes it a little less epic though, I have to admit :/

" I apparently got VERY lucky, hadn't used Moridin the entire game but figured his Incinerate would come in handy so only used him in my main squad for the very last mission... apparently if you don;t he dies pretty much every time. Lucked out on my very first attempt ^ ^.  Kinda makes it a little less epic though, I have to admit :/ "

Assuming all loyalty missions complete:
 
Shaft: Tali, Legion
 
First Leader: Garrus, Miranda, Jacob
 
Crew Escort: Anyone will survive, but you won't have them around for the rest of the mission.
 
Biotic: Jack, Samara
 
Distraction Leader: Miranda, Garrus, Jacob
 
Final Team: If you want to guarantee everyone survives at this point bring Tali and Mordin. Everyone in your final team will always survive. If left to defend the door, Mordin will die unless Grunt is present too. I think Tali will die if Garrus is not present.

" If left to defend the door, Mordin will die unless Grunt is present too. "

See that is what makes this game so awesome - because I had Mordin Loyal (+his upgrade) and he died when I let Grunt do the Escort.

Replayed the mission the exact same way but let Mordin do the escort and 0 casualties. It's just odd, which makes it awesome.

Yeah, you're right I made it sound like its guaranteed and its not, its based on a number of other factors. I've actually never had anyone die in my games. But tons of people have had Mordin "mysteriously" die; to the point where they claimed it was a bug. A Bioware rep posted about it, and said that Mordin can die when Grunt isn't present or if one of them isn't loyal Grunt can die instead.

"garrus: a tough dude"