Metal Gear Scanlon reminded me that Sniper Wolf talked about being taken in by Big Boss. Do you think Phantom Pain is going to show this at all (thus having 2 sniper characters since they also have Quiet), or is it just assumed that it would've happened after the events of Phantom Pain in the 80s? I'm not all that familiar with how old Sniper Wolf is meant to be in MGS1.

They definitely have room to show it. I mean hell, what is a timeline to Kojima? An hour into the game the time could advance to 2205 and the rest of Phantom Pain could play out in the far flung future for all we know. All this 1984 business could be an elaborate ruse. Thats what so amazing about Metal Gear games, you really have no idea what to expect.

Well, from what I can find on the Metal Gear wiki (not the most reliable source, but it's something), she was born c. 1976. That would make her a few years younger than Snake and Liquid, and she was already a sniper when she met Big Boss. Not that this fact implies much of anything about her age, since child soldiers are pretty common in MGS.

I was hoping that she would come back too, but I'd wager that it's still too early in the timeline to be realistic.

Probably. It almost sounds as if Phantom Pain will essentially be the reverse of MGS4, in that instead of finishing every character ever's arc, they'll be showing you the origins of every character ever. Psycho Mantis and Liquid are already heavily inferred to be starring in it after all. I kinda hope it doesn't go that route, though unlike MGS4 Phantom Pain as a game looks to be fucking huge, so hopefully it'll have a little more breathing room for dealing with so many characters.

There's a lot that they could show regarding that period of time that they may or may not depict. But yeah, I wouldn't put it past Kojima to throw us curveballs.

@hailinel said:

Quiet get hits by a youth ray, gets amnesia, and is then brainwashed to think she grew up as a Kurd in a war-torn area. Retains sniper skills.

Sniper Wolf might be in it. But she might not also show up in the time line until later on. I was thinking when I saw the wolf puppy it would have something to do with her and also because Quiet is a sniper maybe Quiet trains her, but since Kojima has said that both of those characters can die in the game and that isn't a fail state, it's hard to see them fitting into Sniper Wolfs character arc.

"Cor blimey, I've been captured by Iraqis, I have!"

No more Liquid, please. Its bad enough the game has him in the SAS but an SAS operative that got captured? Pffftt.

@shindig: Well, his SAS background had been known since MGS1. And he's an interesting character, despite the ridiculous (and later retconned) notion of his arm taking over Ocelot's mind.

Maybe you can only recruit certain soldiers or do certain Extra Ops if you still have those assist characters alive?

Given how referential this series is, I'd be more surprised if it wasn't in there. I mean, it'd take something ridiculous like the game not really being about Big Boss for that to happen.

@corruptedevil: Oh I hadn't thought of that. Makes a lot of sense.

I'm confused about that, I mean the retcon not the whole mind swap thing, I assumed it was known during release they used nano machines to copy liquids brainwaves on Ocelot or some such.

@gokaired: They never once attributed the mind swap to nanomachines until MGS4. Before that, it just seemed like Liquid's arm was magic.

Yup. Complete with Cam Clark oi oi-ing it. Even the explanation in 4 doesn't make much sense.

Hypnotherapy and drugs to foll a computer system. What? Although Peace Walker kinda did something dumber with AI and decision-making so I guess we should cut some slack somewhere.

That dog has an eye patch!

Guys, guys, GUYS. The last two companions that were revealed were Quiet (Sniper), and DD (Wolf).
Sniper....wolf.
Sniper Wolf!

This probably means nothing.

Guess you arent familiar with the whole Brave Two Zero thing then.

Let's stop pretending that the Metal Gear timeline makes complete sense :D I love MG and it makes little sense to me at times. At this point I fully believe that this is just eventually leading to remakes of Metal Gear - MGS4. This is why the tech and stuff feels out of place...its all a slow and subtle retcon/remake of existing material.

Kojima likes to reuse and make his universe smaller in each installment, so we might just find out that Quiet will become Wolf's mother, sister, whatever.

Damn, he could've had a book deal and BBC series out of it. Instead he had to live out his pipedream of surpassing the dad he never knew.

Actually, the explanation according to the encyclopedia that came out around MGS4(and also what makes the most sense), is that both happened. First, Liquid's arm really did possess Ocelot due to Ocelot having innate supernatural abilities thanks to his father, The Sorrow. However, sometime after MGS2, Ocelot came out of the mind control, chopped the arm off, and replaced it with the crazy metallic one that he has in MGS4. That's when he initiated his plan to take Liquid's personality as his own with nanomachines and such.