Ok, so when I popped into a local games/dvd retailer yesterday I thought, "what the hell" and pre ordered a PS4. The interesting part of that pre order was when the girl working there was ringing me up for it she asked a co worker when the release date was and he replied "17th of November". I'm guessing the retailer, that's Irish, 'Xtravision' would have a release date confirmed on their system already and the guy seemed quite sure when he said it.

So what do you guys think?

I'm calling bullshit until proven otherwise.

@flstyle: Yea it's quite possible but it still kind of took me aback when I heard it. Guess we'll find out one way or the other in the next month or so.

So yeah, this topic is redundant as hell. If a moderator could lock or remove it, that's cool.