ArmaziLLa

@jakob187

Again, well said....you make lot's of good points that I agree with. Obviously you've been around discussing this type of thing far longer than I have which is what forums are for...suffice it to say I think the post has sparked some legitimate discussion regardless of the title or claim that may have been inferred therein.

Force Unleashed isn't a GoW-clone, but it sure as shit uses the context-sensitive features of it...like almost every fucking game that exists now...

I've seen the negative comments people have made towards Dante's Inferno...but I also know that those people are mostly:

1. Fans of the epic poem and hate how EA and Visceral are "translating" it
2. Folks that haven't played Dead Space or don't care for the type of game it is
3. Folks that love God of War so much that they'd fuck their PS2 and/or PS3 if there was a wet spot on them
4. Folks that don't like God of War-style games
5. Folks that got burned by Devil May Cry 4

" Good games that come along and change a genre will inevitably have clones, just like GTA 3 had with The Getaway, True Crime, and so on. Eventually so many games come out, people accept that they're no longer clones, but merely how games of that genre are done. "

@jakob187

You make quite a few good points, and might even get my point across in a better way. As for my claim that Dante's is BETTER than GoW, I don't believe at any point in my post did I claim that....and the title of the thread was merely an attention-grabbing "over-the-top" statement that I thought was so obviously satirical that no one would take me seriously...however I stand corrected.

Personally, I just wanted to vent some frustration at what I felt to be unsubstantiated comments on countless videos for this and MANY other games where that is all the comment has " {Blank} is a clone of {Insert Game Here} therefore it sucks and I won't play it, and neither should you"  ... You can't tell me you haven't seen those on this site and all over the internet. I wasn't trying to judge people persay, I just wanted to get that out there.

As it pertains to these two games, I completely agree with all of your points...they're not trying to re-invent the wheel, but from what I've seen so far, I am VERY intrigued and looking forward to playing the completed product, regardless of how similar (or not similar) the game may be to GoW. I haven't gotten around to playing DeadSpace just yet, but I hope that I do sometime soon...lack of monetary funds makes my gaming choices fairly limited as far as new releases (hell I JUST played The Force Unleashed, which coincidentally uses the QTE finishers on boss fights itself...hard to call it a clone though when it's set in the Star Wars universe =P). Anyway I'm just happy my post has sparked some interesting conversation thus far...even if it was admittedly a flawed argument in some points I think my point got across.

@Ineedaname

I think the meaning for "original" story can be taken in a few ways. I haven't seen a game based on this source material...even if it is as loosely based as DI supposedly is....however there are a few reasons someone might choose DI over GoW...if they haven't played the first two GoW games they might just want a standalone...platform can be taken into account...and probably a few other reasons. You are more than entitled to make your own decision and conclusions I just wanted people to take everything into account before blatantly dismissing this, or any other, game.

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" @Cube said:

" You don't really need to post it twice. "

Fair enough, it was just an after thought that there might be more traffic here to spark more discussion...sorry if you don't approve. "

You only need to post the topic once, and that would be in the games' actual forum.  This one needs to be locked for duplication.

For future reference, any topic you put up in the games' specific forum will show up on the newest topics list...so you don't need to worry about "more traffic".  Moreover, traffic will come if your topic is interesting enough to appeal to the masses.  Using tricks to get more traffic will get you in more trouble than it will actually help.  =  /

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" @Ineedaname said:

" But what's it doing different? "

Story? Setting? Who knows you name it....obviously it's not just going to be an exact copy of GoW or they'd be sued...plus, the fact that the game isn't even out yet leaves a lot to be seen...which is my point...how can you write something off that you haven't actually played or seen first-hand for yourself? "

But when they're not exactly selling any of the things it does differently, I feel there's more of an argument to say it'sa GoW clone.Sure the story may be different, but I'm pretty sure everyone's calling a clone based on gameplay.Also having literally for the first time watched that dev.diary it does what I think GoW does, gory for the sake of being gory. P.s. I'm not saying the game is a GoW clone, I'm saying why people do say it. "

I can completely agree with your statement and I'm not saying I don't see the similarities...my point is just that this is not the first time a game has used elements from another game that did things right...and I just feel that said game doesn't get enough of a chance to really be seen because of this. From what I can tell the thing that they seem to be "selling" the game on is the story and the uniqueness of the setting...as for the gory thing, wouldn't you say a game set in Hell would be missing something without gore and disturbing monsters? LoL "

Watch the videos he kills enemies in ways that are like in GoW gory for the sake of it, in that Dev diary he shoves the scythe through the dudes mouth, that's being gory for the sake of it, regardless of setting.The other games that use elements of the others normally get called up on it, most of the time the thing that sells a game is doing it right, even if a game had an incredible story and terrible gameplay, I can't see many people enduring the game for the sake of the story, and if the game's just going to steal from another why not go with GoW 3 which is the game that gameplay seems to be replicating. "

" Let me quote Kotaku, who actually have hands-on experience with the game:

@Kotaku said:

"It feels like EA isn't even trying to make a game; they're trying to make a mod that re-skinds everything Greek to be Christian (like Dante usin ga cross to activate the Mana/Health wells)."

It's cool if a game is similar to another, but when it downright copies the gameplay(exactly the same control scheme, QTE finishers - hell, you even open chests in the same way as in GoW), it's too much. The fact that they're spitting on the source material doesn't exactly help the game either.

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" I feel like you couldve gotten that point across in one sentence instead of forcing me to read that whole thing.But..........I agree with you. "

" @ArmaziLLa said:

" @Cube said:

" You don't really need to post it twice. "

Fair enough, it was just an after thought that there might be more traffic here to spark more discussion...sorry if you don't approve. "

Now I feel like a dick. :( "

" @ArmaziLLa said:

" @Ineedaname said:

" But what's it doing different? "

Story? Setting? Who knows you name it....obviously it's not just going to be an exact copy of GoW or they'd be sued...plus, the fact that the game isn't even out yet leaves a lot to be seen...which is my point...how can you write something off that you haven't actually played or seen first-hand for yourself? "

But when they're not exactly selling any of the things it does differently, I feel there's more of an argument to say it'sa GoW clone.Sure the story may be different, but I'm pretty sure everyone's calling a clone based on gameplay.Also having literally for the first time watched that dev.diary it does what I think GoW does, gory for the sake of being gory. P.s. I'm not saying the game is a GoW clone, I'm saying why people do say it. "