There are a lot of things that get my blood up. And most of those things are centered around dumb things that conservatives do or say, but mostly when they make a big deal out of a small thing. That's what's happening with this whole "Letterman vs. Palin" BS; here's basically what happened:
Alaskan Governer and former vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin and her family recently made a trip to New York City
While there, they did the usual tourist things like go to a Yankee game
This, of course, made the Palin jokes that were so common during the election, return
David Letterman made a few jokes during his late night talk show about Palin's 18 year-old daughter who was the focus of criticism during the election for being pregnant
Palin and her husband Todd then made comments on there facebook pages about their disgust regarding Letterman's jokes toward their 14-year old daughter...wait a minute...Letterman didn't make jokes about the 14 year-old. And yet that is what the Palin's are upset about
Letterman then went on his show and made an apology and said that he regretted making the jokes and that they were in bad taste
Now you would think that this would end, right? Not according to the conservitive media, i.e. Fox News, who thinks that wasn't enough. Now I believe that since Letterman wasn't talking about the Palin's minor 14 year-old daughter but their 18 year-old daughter, who has been knocked up before, an apology wasn't nessecary.
So, everyone...DROP IT! ALL of the jokes were not any different then what we heard during the campaign. Letterman is a comedian.
Their "base" now consists of extremely radical right-wingers who are holding on for dear life. Hopefully those moderate-right or center-right voters out there will join up into a new political party and allow the United States to have a three-party government.
Yeah, just a whole lot of Whargarbl to salvage some sort of liberal groups to support their cause. Well they got one feminist group, even though I emailed them informing them they don't know what the situation or joke is, still waiting for a reply actually.
Nothing else to say except that Palin said "Statutory Rape" a lot on Matt Lauer's show. That and called Dave "The Man" Letterman a pedophile.
Not gonna lie...I'd totally bang Bristol. She is cute as hell. I hope Sarah Palin sees this post and tries to take me to court...despite being 10,000+ miles away from her.
Well, at what point did it become appropriate to attack Palin's 18 year old daughter? If you don't like Palin's policies, that's fine, but don't take it out on her probably emotionally unstable daughter.
My understanding is that the 14 year old was the one that when with the mom to the stadium so letterman made a joke. But never referred to which daughter he was talking about, Since it was baseball related she must of thought that he was talking about the trip to the stadium where the 14 year old was. In all it sounds like a missunderstanding. regardless he is not funny.
" Well, at what point did it become appropriate to attack Palin's 18 year old daughter? If you don't like Palin's policies, that's fine, but don't take it out on her probably emotionally unstable daughter. "
@AndrewGaspar: some people yes...but going off topic here; glenn beck is the host of a news program on a major news network and shoudln't be making jokes of any kind. leave that to jon stewart and stephen colbert
" Their "base" now consists of extremely radical right-wingers who are holding on for dear life. Hopefully those moderate-right or center-right voters out there will join up into a new political party and allow the United States to have a three-party government. "
This. The Republican party now has become so extremist, the only people voting for them now are those who'd kill to prove a point and those who would vote for anyone other than a democrat. It's time for someone to step up and create a new party that more normal conservatives can walk behind
" Their "base" now consists of extremely radical right-wingers who are holding on for dear life. Hopefully those moderate-right or center-right voters out there will join up into a new political party and allow the United States to have a three-party government. "
This. The Republican party now has become so extremist, the only people voting for them now are those who'd kill to prove a point and those who would vote for anyone other than a democrat. It's time for someone to step up and create a new party that more normal conservatives can walk behind "
Can you give me some examples of these extremist Republicans? Who is extreme, and what do they do to make them extreme?
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater
I'm not saying the Republican party is good, I'm just saying that the assumption that extremism is bad gets annoying. I would be an extemist abolitionist in the 1800's.
And who gives a fuck about what Letterman says about Palin. This is just another distraction.
" Their "base" now consists of extremely radical right-wingers who are holding on for dear life. Hopefully those moderate-right or center-right voters out there will join up into a new political party and allow the United States to have a three-party government. "
This. The Republican party now has become so extremist, the only people voting for them now are those who'd kill to prove a point and those who would vote for anyone other than a democrat. It's time for someone to step up and create a new party that more normal conservatives can walk behind "
Can you give me some examples of these extremist Republicans? Who is extreme, and what do they do to make them extreme? "
Bill O'Reilly, Michael Steele, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Dick Cheney. People like these who constantly talk out of their own asses to take a jab at the opposition just for the sake of making noise. Whether they believe their own shit or not, they barely say anything sensible and they're driving their own party into the ground because their ideas and values are no longer relevant, yet they barge on and shoot their mouths off anyway.
Cheney did earn some points in my book the other day by saying he supports same-sex marriage, which is more than I can say for Obama, who has been very indecisive about the subject ever since he took office.
To clarify, I'm not a Democrat, nor a liberal, nor a Republican, nor a conservative. I'm a moderate and I see both sides of the ball. My parents are extremely right wing while my close friends are leftys, so I'm not taking any biased jabs because I'm tied to a political party.
" Why is extremism just assumed to be a bad thing?
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater
I'm not saying the Republican party is good, I'm just saying that the assumption that extremism is bad gets annoying. I would be an extemist abolitionist in the 1800's.
And who gives a fuck about what Letterman says about Palin. This is just another distraction.
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I think the word "extremism" is, at least to me, most commonly associated with narrow-mindedness and disregard for others' beliefs and opinions for the sake of your own.
I agree, words like "extremist" "terrorist" "liberal" "conservative" "socialist" are all overused and misunderstood. Media figures with strong followings cook up these words in order to energize their followers to support their own agendas.
By the way, the last time I checked, Sweden was a socialist country and they seem to be doing just fine.
I;m atually on palins side here. for far too long, people have found it "okay" to make innapropiant jokes about women and it needs to end sooner or later. his comments were tasteless and not funny.
besides his show sucks and always has, jay leno was always better and Conan's Tonight Show is already way better.
" Their "base" now consists of extremely radical right-wingers who are holding on for dear life. Hopefully those moderate-right or center-right voters out there will join up into a new political party and allow the United States to have a three-party government. "
This. The Republican party now has become so extremist, the only people voting for them now are those who'd kill to prove a point and those who would vote for anyone other than a democrat. It's time for someone to step up and create a new party that more normal conservatives can walk behind "
Can you give me some examples of these extremist Republicans? Who is extreme, and what do they do to make them extreme? "
You can take GiantSquirrels reply to this question as my own
" Letterman makes a joke about Alex Rodriguez having sex with Palin's daughter and Palin doesn't have a right to respond?
I understand you're liberals, but come on. Imagine if that were your daughter.
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I hate having to explain jokes to people.
Both jokes "about" her 18 year old daughter (Yes, the one that got pregnant) were actually about the other person. Elliot Spitzer was made fun of for being a sexual deviant (Or sorts) and Alex Rodriguez was made fun of because apparently he's dating everyone lately. Jesus, the jokes are ruined when explained. Thanks a ton, you've made a cheesy joke bad by not getting it. Christ, I'm the one that doesn't get pop culture, and I still know more than you.
" Letterman makes a joke about Alex Rodriguez having sex with Palin's daughter and Palin doesn't have a right to respond?
I understand you're liberals, but come on. Imagine if that were your daughter.
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I hate having to explain jokes to people.Both jokes "about" her 18 year old daughter (Yes, the one that got pregnant) were actually about the other person. Elliot Spitzer was made fun of for being a sexual deviant (Or sorts) and Alex Rodriguez was made fun of because apparently he's dating everyone lately. Jesus, the jokes are ruined when explained. Thanks a ton, you've made a cheesy joke bad by not getting it. Christ, I'm the one that doesn't get pop culture, and I still know more than you. "
It's a little sickening that your dislike of Palin has blinded you. Whatever, you can't be reasoned with.
" Their "base" now consists of extremely radical right-wingers who are holding on for dear life. Hopefully those moderate-right or center-right voters out there will join up into a new political party and allow the United States to have a three-party government. "
This. The Republican party now has become so extremist, the only people voting for them now are those who'd kill to prove a point and those who would vote for anyone other than a democrat. It's time for someone to step up and create a new party that more normal conservatives can walk behind "
Can you give me some examples of these extremist Republicans? Who is extreme, and what do they do to make them extreme? "
Bill O'Reilly, Michael Steele, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Dick Cheney. People like these who constantly talk out of their own asses to take a jab at the opposition just for the sake of making noise. Whether they believe their own shit or not, they barely say anything sensible and they're driving their own party into the ground because their ideas and values are no longer relevant, yet they barge on and shoot their mouths off anyway. Cheney did earn some points in my book the other day by saying he supports same-sex marriage, which is more than I can say for Obama, who has been very indecisive about the subject ever since he took office. To clarify, I'm not a Democrat, nor a liberal, nor a Republican, nor a conservative. I'm a moderate and I see both sides of the ball. My parents are extremely right wing while my close friends are leftys, so I'm not taking any biased jabs because I'm tied to a political party. "
You're defining extremism with a synonym for ignorance? I find that to be an improper definition, nevermind the fact that my question, who are extremist Republicans, wasn't answered at all. For one Bill O'Reilly isn't even a Republican, and your explanation of their actions makes them out to be more political talking heads than those who go to extremes.
AgentJ. I asked for who you thought was an extremist Republican, particularly those who would kill to prove a point, because that would truly be an extremist act. So who are they?
" Their "base" now consists of extremely radical right-wingers who are holding on for dear life. Hopefully those moderate-right or center-right voters out there will join up into a new political party and allow the United States to have a three-party government. "
This. The Republican party now has become so extremist, the only people voting for them now are those who'd kill to prove a point and those who would vote for anyone other than a democrat. It's time for someone to step up and create a new party that more normal conservatives can walk behind "
Can you give me some examples of these extremist Republicans? Who is extreme, and what do they do to make them extreme? "
Bill O'Reilly, Michael Steele, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Dick Cheney. People like these who constantly talk out of their own asses to take a jab at the opposition just for the sake of making noise. Whether they believe their own shit or not, they barely say anything sensible and they're driving their own party into the ground because their ideas and values are no longer relevant, yet they barge on and shoot their mouths off anyway. Cheney did earn some points in my book the other day by saying he supports same-sex marriage, which is more than I can say for Obama, who has been very indecisive about the subject ever since he took office. To clarify, I'm not a Democrat, nor a liberal, nor a Republican, nor a conservative. I'm a moderate and I see both sides of the ball. My parents are extremely right wing while my close friends are leftys, so I'm not taking any biased jabs because I'm tied to a political party. "
You're defining extremism with a synonym for ignorance? I find that to be an improper definition, nevermind the fact that my question, who are extremist Republicans, wasn't answered at all. For one Bill O'Reilly isn't even a Republican, and your explanation of their actions makes them out to be more political talking heads than those who go to extremes.
AgentJ. I asked for who you thought was an extremist Republican, particularly those who would kill to prove a point, because that would truly be an extremist act. So who are they?
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O'Reilly will say he's not a republican, but has there ever been a so called "real" republican that he has ever slandered and torn apart? Just like with Glenn Beck, these guys say they arent republicans but that is just a stunt to try and make it look like they are unbiased. The kind of vile, hateful things that these right wing political commentators spew are exactly what these extremists listen to. The guy that shot up a church a few months said that he wanted to kill all of the democrats O'Reilly listed in one of his books. I dont know if this was true, but I heard somewhere that the guy that went into the holocaust museum was a frequent listener to Limbaugh's show. And how about the guy who got arrested in Nevada the other day for plotting to kill Obama. You think he was listening to MSNBC when he got that idea? How about the people who yelled "kill him" and "terrorist" at McCain and Palin rallies last year? Couldn't possibly have any link with Hannity calling Obama a foreigner and a muslim, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. O'Reilly called George Tiller "Tiller the Baby Killer" and Dr. Killer, even though what the man did was legal, and what came of it? The guy was killed by an extremist. The guy didn't even apoligize for those remarks for 4 days. These talking heads on fox news (the only reasonable guy on that network is apparantly Sheppard Smith, who himself thinks that Right Wing Extremism is on the rise) are giving a lot of people a lot of anger, and like the Department of Homeland Security said, it's not going to end well.
The next attack could be by anyone on anyone. They could attack a news outlet (because they are all so biased except for Fox), or they could attack another abortion clinic (the guy that killed Tiller said more attacks were planned) or they could attack a muslim church (if they have a turban, they must be evil). I guarantee one of these will happen in the next few months.
@mikevanpwn: Here are some Conservative Extremists.
-Timothy McVeigh, bombed a government building in Oklahoma. Registered Republican, voted Libertarian. Joined the NRA, was in the army. Killed over 150 people in one bombing. -Jim D Adkissons, shot up a so-called liberal church. Held socially conservative views, wrote a four page letter about why he did this. Killed two people, disturbing letter can be found HERE -James Von Braun. Killed security guard at Holocaust museum. Held racist views, paranoid that the Jews controlled everything and even believed that Obama himself was controlled by the Jews. -Two assassination plots on Obama's life (How many months has he been president?). -James Dobson. Christian Evangelical Extremist. Believes gays and liberals will destroy the planet. Radio host who is argued to have brought the suicides of many people because of his gospel of intolerance. -Dick Cheney. Torture, 'nuff said. -Scott Roeder. George Tiller's killer. Stalked members of the medical clinic for years, and finally went and killed their main physician.
Anyone who follows these similar situations can easily be considered an extremist.
@Jimbo: i don't know how many times i've said this but i'll say it again, he's a comedian! he said this in the middle of his late night talk show where he comes out and makes jokes, that is his job...and palin should consider herself lucky he even made an apology...she didn't deserve one
@BODDAH: she has a right to do whatever the fuck she wants...but she doesn't have the right to say the letterman is a pedophile and wants her 14 year-old daughter to get raped because that's not what he said
"Well, at what point did it become appropriate to attack Palin's 18 year old daughter? If you don't like Palin's policies, that's fine, but don't take it out on her probably emotionally unstable daughter."
Because her daughter's pregnancy is a direct result of the policies republicans champion. Specifically screaming bloody murder anytime a Dem tries to bring up reasonable sex education, and condom use and just realizing that teenagers are people who are going to be sexually active no matter how much you shame them. Abstinence only education shouldn't have the words "education" any where near it.
"@mikevanpwn: Here are some Conservative Extremists.
-Timothy McVeigh, bombed a government building in Oklahoma. Registered Republican, voted Libertarian. Joined the NRA, was in the army. Killed over 150 people in one bombing. -Jim D Adkissons, shot up a so-called liberal church. Held socially conservative views, wrote a four page letter about why he did this. Killed two people, disturbing letter can be found HERE-James Von Braun. Killed security guard at Holocaust museum. Held racist views, paranoid that the Jews controlled everything and even believed that Obama himself was controlled by the Jews.-Two assassination plots on Obama's life (How many months has he been president?).-James Dobson. Christian Evangelical Extremist. Believes gays and liberals will destroy the planet. Radio host who is argued to have brought the suicides of many people because of his gospel of intolerance.-Dick Cheney. Torture, 'nuff said.-Scott Roeder. George Tiller's killer. Stalked members of the medical clinic for years, and finally went and killed their main physician.Anyone who follows these similar situations can easily be considered an extremist."
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Obviously it's liberals that are carrying out and/or formenting this type of violence. Wait, it's not. The most the "evil liberals" do is march and get arrested. While right-wing fucking nutjobs execute people in churches and museums.
" You're defining extremism with a synonym for ignorance? I find that to be an improper definition, nevermind the fact that my question, who are extremist Republicans, wasn't answered at all. For one Bill O'Reilly isn't even a Republican, and your explanation of their actions makes them out to be more political talking heads than those who go to extremes.
AgentJ. I asked for who you thought was an extremist Republican, particularly those who would kill to prove a point, because that would truly be an extremist act. So who are they?
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Maybe we're using extremist in a different way than you are thinking. In terms of the political spectrum, from left to right, communist to fascist, I'm talking about people who are on the extreme end of the conservative wing. Extremist probably isn't the correct word to use, but "fascist" isn't correct either. I'm talking about the media figures who are between their center-right and fascist levels.
To answer who those people might be, I would say no media figure aforementioned is willing (for political or moral reasons) to kill for their ideas. However, I know dozens of very conservative Republicans who have said to me, personally and very sincerely, that they would kill Obama if he took away their guns. I do live in a very rural region, so my perception may be a bit skewed. I know that not all Republicans are like this, but unreasonable people like that are extremely frightening because they don't understand both sides of the coin and aren't willing to try. Watching Fox News definitely won't help them see both sides of the argument (in most cases).
Sarah Pailin unfortunately ain't dumb, she is using this to keep her name in the news. It's actually a smart political move. I think it's disgusting, but it is working. She knows full well that Letterman was talking about her 18 year old daughter and that the jokes were no different than any jokes many late night talk show hosts and myriad comedians have made about her, her family, and about many other politicians and their families, but that doesn't matter. It was a perfect opportunity for the right to say the "liberal" media is attacking her and her party on personal levels. It gets the ignorant to follow along like sheep, and that is their base.
I don't give a shit whether he apologises or not. I'm just saying that clip can't really be considered an apology (as implied in the OP) - he doesn't seem to know whether he's apologising or still joking and - if that isn't a laughter track - the audience certainly didn't take it as an apology either. I just assumed it was a laughter track because nothing that guy said was funny at all.
" it is a live crowd...a crowd who paid money to see a COMEDY SHOW!! "
Yeah but sometimes things are said and they need to be cleared up. It sounded like that was what he was trying to do. Only the crowd were so unbelievably stupid they didn't get it.
" O'Reilly will say he's not a republican, but has there ever been a so called "real" republican that he has ever slandered and torn apart? Just like with Glenn Beck, these guys say they arent republicans but that is just a stunt to try and make it look like they are unbiased. The kind of vile, hateful things that these right wing political commentators spew are exactly what these extremists listen to. The guy that shot up a church a few months said that he wanted to kill all of the democrats O'Reilly listed in one of his books. I dont know if this was true, but I heard somewhere that the guy that went into the holocaust museum was a frequent listener to Limbaugh's show. And how about the guy who got arrested in Nevada the other day for plotting to kill Obama. You think he was listening to MSNBC when he got that idea? How about the people who yelled "kill him" and "terrorist" at McCain and Palin rallies last year? Couldn't possibly have any link with Hannity calling Obama a foreigner and a muslim, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. O'Reilly called George Tiller "Tiller the Baby Killer" and Dr. Killer, even though what the man did was legal, and what came of it? The guy was killed by an extremist. The guy didn't even apoligize for those remarks for 4 days. These talking heads on fox news (the only reasonable guy on that network is apparantly Sheppard Smith, who himself thinks that Right Wing Extremism is on the rise) are giving a lot of people a lot of anger, and like the Department of Homeland Security said, it's not going to end well.
The next attack could be by anyone on anyone. They could attack a news outlet (because they are all so biased except for Fox), or they could attack another abortion clinic (the guy that killed Tiller said more attacks were planned) or they could attack a muslim church (if they have a turban, they must be evil). I guarantee one of these will happen in the next few months.
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MSNBC is more of the business of slandering and tearing apart people, O'Reilly gives an opposing view the chance to explain their position, but wont let it go unchallenged. Sure O'Reilly is more fair to Republicans, he's a conservative moderate. No one can truly be in the exact middle of the road in their opinion, otherwise they would have no opinion, but that doesn't make O'Reilly into a Republican hack.
I can tell you that Glenn Beck is a Libertarian, and not a Republican, and if you watch his show at all you will see that he dislikes the Republicans as much as Democrats. He's more against the whole party politics thing. Are his views extreme? No, unless you believe that the founding fathers ideals are extreme.
The attempt by the media to pin these extremist actions onto the conservative point of view is the attempt to silence the conservative movement in America. Von Brunn, the guy who attacked the Holocaust Museum, had written that Christianity was a Jewish conspiracy on his website, something that no sane person would be saying. Extremists are extremists for a reason, and thats because they're crazy. I highly doubt its because they've been reading about Bill O'Reilly's childhood in his book “Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity.”
And if you're going to continue to use examples of right wing terrorism then what about left-wing environmental terrorist groups like the ELF? Would left wing media focusing on Global Warming be to blame for their environmental attacks? Or does the road only go one way? The fact of the matter is that political commentators aren't the ones to blame for these attacks. If you think that these extremists wouldn't have acted without the words of some on air commentator then you need to get some sense.
@Jimbo: the things is, an apology wasn't necessary. so whether or not you believe this wasn't enough, it doesn't matter. because he didn't need to do this, but he did
" @mikevanpwn: Here are some Conservative Extremists.
-Timothy McVeigh, bombed a government building in Oklahoma. Registered Republican, voted Libertarian. Joined the NRA, was in the army. Killed over 150 people in one bombing. -Jim D Adkissons, shot up a so-called liberal church. Held socially conservative views, wrote a four page letter about why he did this. Killed two people, disturbing letter can be found HERE-James Von Braun. Killed security guard at Holocaust museum. Held racist views, paranoid that the Jews controlled everything and even believed that Obama himself was controlled by the Jews.-Two assassination plots on Obama's life (How many months has he been president?).-James Dobson. Christian Evangelical Extremist. Believes gays and liberals will destroy the planet. Radio host who is argued to have brought the suicides of many people because of his gospel of intolerance.-Dick Cheney. Torture, 'nuff said.-Scott Roeder. George Tiller's killer. Stalked members of the medical clinic for years, and finally went and killed their main physician.Anyone who follows these similar situations can easily be considered an extremist. "
These people are part of the tinfoil hat crowd, in other words they're crazy! Yet people keep trying to link this to regular conservatives, even though no one would want to stand next to these guys in a room, and the same goes for the tin foil hat people in the whole political spectrum. Environmental Terrorists who firebomb houses, vandalize SUV's and threaten people in the name of the environment. And the American Muslim who shot and killed a private in the Army who was leaving the recruiting office. These people are insane and cant be associated with the regular people in the world. And generally they're not, yet with the latest incidents with such as Dr. Tiller being shot, and the Holocaust Museum guard being shot, these things are all the sudden pinned upon regular conservatives.
And has anyone noticed that almost nobody has said a peep about the shooting of that private at the Army recruiting center in Arkansas?
Oh but those evil Conservatives like Bill O'Reilly are preaching to their underground army of extremists! Watch out folks, the conservatives are the ones to look out for!
" @mikevanpwn: Here are some Conservative Extremists.
-Timothy McVeigh, bombed a government building in Oklahoma. Registered Republican, voted Libertarian. Joined the NRA, was in the army. Killed over 150 people in one bombing. -Jim D Adkissons, shot up a so-called liberal church. Held socially conservative views, wrote a four page letter about why he did this. Killed two people, disturbing letter can be found HERE-James Von Braun. Killed security guard at Holocaust museum. Held racist views, paranoid that the Jews controlled everything and even believed that Obama himself was controlled by the Jews.-Two assassination plots on Obama's life (How many months has he been president?).-James Dobson. Christian Evangelical Extremist. Believes gays and liberals will destroy the planet. Radio host who is argued to have brought the suicides of many people because of his gospel of intolerance.-Dick Cheney. Torture, 'nuff said.-Scott Roeder. George Tiller's killer. Stalked members of the medical clinic for years, and finally went and killed their main physician.Anyone who follows these similar situations can easily be considered an extremist. "
These people are part of the tinfoil hat crowd, in other words they're crazy! Yet people keep trying to link this to regular conservatives, even though no one would want to stand next to these guys in a room, and the same goes for the tin foil hat people in the whole political spectrum. Environmental Terrorists who firebomb houses, vandalize SUV's and threaten people in the name of the environment. And the American Muslim who shot and killed a private in the Army who was leaving the recruiting office. These people are insane and cant be associated with the regular people in the world. And generally they're not, yet with the latest incidents with such as Dr. Tiller being shot, and the Holocaust Museum guard being shot, these things are all the sudden pinned upon regular conservatives.
And has anyone noticed that almost nobody has said a peep about the shooting of that private at the Army recruiting center in Arkansas?
Oh but those evil Conservatives like Bill O'Reilly are preaching to their underground army of extremists! Watch out folks, the conservatives are the ones to look out for!
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Just reread the first sentence. Just the first.
Oh, and to say that nobody has mentioned the shooting at the recruiting center is stupid (And he was a Muslim CONVERT, not just a Muslim, there are serious differences between the two). The person was mentally delusional, who had a personal grudge against the bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan since it killed so many civilians (Which it has). The implication that he was a liberal is insulting sir. But the recent killings have been predicted. Remember that little Homeland Security memo warning about right-wing extremists? The one that said that there is likely to be an outburst of right-wing nutjobs who would kill people based on political, social or religious reasons? I don't need to point out that it was and is true. We are simply saying that the discourse from the right-wing pundits is not healthy. Remember when Glenn Beck likened Obama to a cancer? Fill out the blanks. If you don't see the violent implications in it, then... well fill out that blank.
Adkissons' himself is a great example of this. Read his four page letter I sourced, go on. His attacks were 100% based on polical beliefs.
@fresh2deafbill: I don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether it was 'enough', because I don't care about what he said in the first place. I do know that if that was really supposed to be an apology then he failed. If he was trying to add insult to injury then good for him, he nailed it.
" @mikevanpwn: Here are some Conservative Extremists.
-Timothy McVeigh, bombed a government building in Oklahoma. Registered Republican, voted Libertarian. Joined the NRA, was in the army. Killed over 150 people in one bombing. -Jim D Adkissons, shot up a so-called liberal church. Held socially conservative views, wrote a four page letter about why he did this. Killed two people, disturbing letter can be found HERE-James Von Braun. Killed security guard at Holocaust museum. Held racist views, paranoid that the Jews controlled everything and even believed that Obama himself was controlled by the Jews.-Two assassination plots on Obama's life (How many months has he been president?).-James Dobson. Christian Evangelical Extremist. Believes gays and liberals will destroy the planet. Radio host who is argued to have brought the suicides of many people because of his gospel of intolerance.-Dick Cheney. Torture, 'nuff said.-Scott Roeder. George Tiller's killer. Stalked members of the medical clinic for years, and finally went and killed their main physician.Anyone who follows these similar situations can easily be considered an extremist. "
These people are part of the tinfoil hat crowd, in other words they're crazy! Yet people keep trying to link this to regular conservatives, even though no one would want to stand next to these guys in a room, and the same goes for the tin foil hat people in the whole political spectrum. Environmental Terrorists who firebomb houses, vandalize SUV's and threaten people in the name of the environment. And the American Muslim who shot and killed a private in the Army who was leaving the recruiting office. These people are insane and cant be associated with the regular people in the world. And generally they're not, yet with the latest incidents with such as Dr. Tiller being shot, and the Holocaust Museum guard being shot, these things are all the sudden pinned upon regular conservatives.
And has anyone noticed that almost nobody has said a peep about the shooting of that private at the Army recruiting center in Arkansas?
Oh but those evil Conservatives like Bill O'Reilly are preaching to their underground army of extremists! Watch out folks, the conservatives are the ones to look out for!
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Just reread the first sentence. Just the first.Oh, and to say that nobody has mentioned the shooting at the recruiting center is stupid (And he was a Muslim CONVERT, not just a Muslim, there are serious differences between the two). The person was mentally delusional, who had a personal grudge against the bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan since it killed so many civilians (Which it has). The implication that he was a liberal is insulting sir. But the recent killings have been predicted. Remember that little Homeland Security memo warning about right-wing extremists? The one that said that there is likely to be an outburst of right-wing nutjobs who would kill people based on political, social or religious reasons? I don't need to point out that it was and is true. We are simply saying that the discourse from the right-wing pundits is not healthy. Remember when Glenn Beck likened Obama to a cancer? Fill out the blanks. If you don't see the violent implications in it, then... well fill out that blank.Adkissons' himself is a great example of this. Read his four page letter I sourced, go on. His attacks were 100% based on polical beliefs. "
Your reply was to my question to AgentJ who claimed that the Republican Party had people who would kill to prove a point. You replied and I further iterated that this is the tinfoil hat crowd, but that isn't what the discussion is about.
I never said the muslim guy was a liberal, nor am I blaming regular Muslims, but for the fact that no one is even touching the story. And the DHS report on right wing attacks is completely irrelevant, both incidents have been a continuance of a long string of attacks surrounding these issues. There have been attacks on aborition clinics for decades, as there have been a lot of anti-semitism all around the world for centuries. The problem is that now these extremist acts are being likened to the conservative movement in general.
Conservaitives liken Obama's policy to a cancer because they don't agree with it and it will inevitably lead to more government control over time. That is a legit concern, and to deny that the government is slowly gaining control of the private sector is to turn a blind eye towards the issue. Now it comes down to whether you agree with more government control or not. I know that you, Snipzor, are fine with a larger government role in people's life. But because Glenn Beck may say that this is a menacing issue, doesn't mean that he is an extremist, that he appeals to extremism, or that he is goading extremists, he is simply offering a contrasting view to the issue. Extremists are the one who commit to the issue on their own, and act irrationally. The argument began in which it was implied that conservative media caters to the extremists. I think that everyone can agree that there are extremists, but the belief that extremism is a product of conservative news media is an attack on conservatives themselves.
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