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@Jumanji said:

I would be astonished if an enterprise the size of Double Fine couldn't get $400k on short notice. Those would be dire straits indeed. But forget Double Fine. If Tim Schafer believes so much in his own project, or Fargo, or whomever, why don't those guys HELOC their homes and put that money down on the project? And convince their teams to do the same? Like 50 Cent said, "if an entertainer can't make bail, then he broke as hell." If you're running a high profile studio and you think you've got something that's a sure bet, why not take a risk on it? They don't do that because with Kickstarter and appeals to PC gamer narcissism, they don't have to. Instead of having to do a cost-benefit analysis to a loan officer or a publisher, they offer you, the gamer, the chance to be a part of something bigger than yourself. All you have to do is put your money where Tim Schafer's mouth is. Free financing, awesome. And then there's the marketing. I don't believe that the Doublefine or Wasteland stuff would have such a high profile without Kickstarter. I feel like the model encourages people to suspend their critical faculties and instead get on board with Team Schafer or Team Fargo. How is this different from any other product from any other developer? Would you put money down sight unseen for the next Suda 51 game? Would you do it for Halo 3? Some hardcore fans pre-order. I wouldn't. I wait for the review, and never would I ever lend money or marketing clout to EA or Activision out of the kindness of my heart.

So you're telling me that you've never said to yourself "Oh, a sequel to this game, I can't wait"?

I have to ask you again. Why do you have a personal problem with this?

@Jumanji said:

You really think Tim Schafer couldn't secure a $400k line of credit? This is my point about exploitating people's vanity and nostalgia. In your one line post, you propagate the myth that by contributing to the Kickstarter, you're helping Tim Schafer - the good, funny, cool nerd - undermine the eeeevil suits who don't want you to have old-fashioned fun. IN REALITY, Tim Schafer used this perception to secure free financing and marketing for what would otherwise have been "just another quirky Doublefine release".

You are aware that Double Fine has had some troubled financial times right? They almost had to fire people after a project crashed. Where have you gotten this idea that Double Fine is some large company with a ton of money?

I really don't see how this is different from buying any other product. Or how this is exploiting fans more than any other publisher or developer does. Would you want to buy a sequel to Wasteland? Yes I would, Would you buy a sequel to Halo 3? Yes I woud, would you buy a new game from Suda 51? Yes I would. There's no difference.

Why do you find it so horrible that people are spending money on products they want?

@Jumanji said:

"Exploit" doesn't necessarily connote an illegitimate or immoral use... Regardless, what kind of a game do you think you're going to get? You guys are creaming about this like it's Boyarsky/Taylor/Cain/Avellone going back to the Infinity Engine. It isn't. This is very much the B Team. Check out inXile's catalogue. Check out the steamers that Interplay squeezed out during its death throes. As has been pointed out by other people, Fargo has been shopping Wasteland 2 since 2003. Yet the Kickstarter features none of his pitch material. Prospective publishers, who got a FAR more detailed sketch of the project than the Kickstarter funders, and who had much more to lose than just their $15 if the project sucked, were unwilling to fund it. I wonder why?

Maybe for the same reason Tim Schafer didn't get a point and click game funded by a publisher.

@Jumanji said:

I guess you mean exploitation? You don't see how developers are using kickstarter to their own advantage? When Brian Fargo raises a million dollars with Kickstarter, is he just going to give it to a nonprofit Wasteland 2 trust?

Every cent is going to the game. Hell, he is going to pledge 100K of his own money to get this game off the ground. Do you even know how Kickstarter works? All people are doing is giving $15 for a copy of a game in a genre long dead. It's a pre-order. There's no hidden agenda, no secrets, no scams. The worst that could happen is that the game sucks. For $15 that's not much of loss though.

@Jumanji said:

exploit - use or manipulate to one's advantage

I know what exploition means. I still don't see how this is exploition.

@Jumanji said:

I think you're being too generous. Kickstarter isn't publishers/devs discovering new respect for their consumer. Kickstarter is a mechanism that a handful of eminently mainstream devs and publishers have exploited to convert people's nostalgia and vanity into free financing and publicity. There is no respect here, only dollar bills.

How is this exploiting?

@Aforgomon said:

So much Idiocy being posted. If you don't know about American history you probably should stop making assumptions about it.

The buildings were not "all one story tall", cities like Boston, Philadelphia, and New York were filled with 3-4 story row houses, churches with high steeples, and civil structures with clock towers.

Natives also did not fight exclusively on behalf of the British. Different tribes made different alliances, some fought for the British, some for the rebels.

While this is true non of the cities in the USA at that time compares to Rome, Istanbul, London or Paris. They were large cities but they weren't the huge multiculturar cities that we are used to in the franchise. You didn't have landmarks like Hagia Sophia, Notre Dame or The Colloseum.

@alternate said:

I am not sure why everyoine seems to think you will be fighting the English. The majority of Native Americans were pissed with the US at the time and King George offered them all sorts of shit to fight on the side of the Monarch. Plus this is made by Canadians - much more likely they will have you killing american soldiers :D

Because so far all we have seen is the protagonist killing British soldiers and him fighting alongside George Washington.

If this turns out to be America = Good and GB = Bad then I'm not buying the game. Talk about betraying your own lore for the sake of sales.

That's a big if though.

Yes, Corpse Party is there. I waited to buy that game until I would get a Vita.