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#1  Edited By Make_Me_Mad

@beachthunder: In a way I kinda agree with you. It's a really interesting time period, and a realistic character-focused kind of game would be rad. That said, even though the character does turn into a vampire, the part where it's post-WW1 and you're a doctor also still exists, so it doesn't turn me off the game completely.

@sterling: If I hadn't played so much of Bloodlines I probably wouldn't be nearly as excited for this game as I currently am. I wonder how much 'trying to keep other people from finding out you're a goddamn vampire' there'll be in the game, exactly, because I always find that to be fun. Also tense as hell when done properly; there are a lot of ways they could go with this game.

@bisonhero: Life is Strange does look really fucking cool. I'm looking forward to it a lot, and while most people don't like Remember Me, I had a lot of fun with that game. The designs and artwork were cool as hell, and the music was pretty great too; they made a really interesting world and the gameplay kinda screwed it up, but I'm a big fan of looking past the bad to see the good. Also, the voice work in Remember Me was pretty good too, from what I recall. If this game's only that good again, I'll still be relatively pleased. Low standards!

@marokai: Same here. Life is Strange looks awfully cool and I really wanna see how that turns out, but just from the announcement/concept I'm fully on board with whatever this thing turns out to be. Hopefully it'll turn out to be something and not end up cancelled.

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That was an interesting read; I dabbled in MTG once or twice and inevitably just settled for looking at the pretty artwork on the cards and enjoying flavor text. I've got no mind or patience for that kind of card game. Likewise, I don't go in for all the secret challenges in Mario games (at least not since Star Road back in the SMW days), happy enough just to finish them with a minimum of hair pulling. Reading over all of that... doesn't really make me want to play either of them more in depth, but it did make me think of other games I enjoy that have similar design philosophies.

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@tuxfool said:

2017...That is eons away.Why are they announcing it so early, especially if Life is Strange still hasn't been released.

My guess is that it's because Life is Strange is more of an adventure game, from the trailers and what they've said; closer to your Heavy Rains or Indigo Prophecies (but hopefully with a much better story). Vampyr's been described as an RPG and an Action RPG in different places (which is funny because it's one I'd actually really like to be a low-key adventure game sort of thing), so perhaps it's letting people know they're working on a more 'traditional' game?

Also Remember Me was a brawler/Arkham-esque sort of thing, Life is Strange is an adventure game, and this is apparently an RPG in the making. Whatever else you can say about them, Dontnod are NOT afraid of experimenting.

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My totally unqualified opinion is that the tank controls probably don't really add anything to the experience; that said, I'm fairly used to them after a few Silent Hills and Resident Evils of my own. I'd say if using Tank Controls is going to bother or take away from the game for you, feel free to switch; experiencing the game is probably more important than the control scheme used to do it in the long run.

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Vampyr is a new RPG from Dontnod Entertainment
Vampyr is a new RPG from Dontnod Entertainment

Vampire Doctor (But not That Doctor) in the post-World War 1 era: Cool idea, or coolest idea? I'll leave you to stew on that mystery of the universe while I lay down this link to an article about a newly announced game from Dontnod Entertainment; a crew of people you might recognize from a few other cool games.*

There's not a lot known about the game; it's slated for a 2017 release, and lord only knows if society will last long enough to see that happen, but regardless I figure that a new game from Dontnod could use some exposure. Also, you play as a Vampire Doctor, which I have to keep saying because it's cool, damnit. Beyond that, there's the time period they're going for: post-World War 1 was a pretty weird era, and not one I see used in games often. I should find out what other games are set between the World Wars: also that line has now dated this post by implying that there were only two World Wars. We'll look back on this from 20XX and laugh at my stupidity.

The idea of playing as a Doctor is, in itself, interesting; it means your character's already carrying certain expectations around with them, and having been a doctor during WW1, he's almost invariably seen some shit; not your typical video game protagonist levels of shit, either. This dude's job was to put people back together in a time when we weren't very good at putting people back together. Throw in suddenly becoming a bloodthirsty, cannibalistic creature of the night on top of that and I'm really interested to see where this game goes.

I hope that they lean more towards Adventure than Action when it comes to this game, though; it's a great setup and I'm super excited for it, but it wouldn't be hard to see this game ending up as a Blood Omen 2. I still can't believe I played through that game, but I remain a sucker for vampires. At least Kain was super pretty.

So, I dunno, doctor from WW1 comes home and ends up becoming a vampire and then moral decisions and maybe weird RPG combat ensue... actually that might be kinda cool. I could see Vampire Doctor having some kinda weird VATS thing of aiming at different organs or something in combat; that's probably within the scope of reason. I just hope they don't go too fantasy with it, because this seems like it could be a super rad little RPG/character driven kinda story. High hopes! High hopes that will inevitably be dashed!

*Remember Me and Life is Strange are the other two games you might know them from

Edit: In predictable fashion I forgot to add the link in the first paragraph. It's there now; don't miss it!

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Interesting, Doctor Who is also a vampire? Interesting concept.

A Doctor Who who is also a vampire is a very different game. Still probably pretty cool though.

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I'm pretty sure posting a link to a news article on another site doesn't break any rules, but if it does I apologize preemptively.

Long and short if it is that the Dontnod crew, people behind the criminally underrated Remember Me and people who are currently working on the super interesting looking game Life is Strange, are working on a new RPG... that's set shortly after World War 1. Wherein you play as a doctor who becomes a vampire. Maybe it's just me, but that sounds like a fantastic idea, and I am 100 percent for it; there hasn't been a good vampire game in ages, and being a doctor in an underused time period sounds friggin' cool.

Edit: Also dangit it turns out there's actually a page for this game here already, which means this needs to be moved there.

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What happened to this thread, even? Just more evidence that Legend of Korra poisons everything it touches.

@extomar said:

@sergio said:

@extomar said:

Again and again, it isn't a question if the female characters are too cute or sexy but that all too often in a game all of the characters are too cute and too sexy. The real issue is really about variety where we don't need ugly but a better range including "just plain". Fixating on the big muscles and big chests in a game like Gears of War misses the point that it has the same problem too.

And then there is this:

http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/05-the-death-of-snkrs/falseequivalence/

The problem with that comic is that it's just that person's (and maybe some other people's) opinion on what they find attractive.

There are women who find a muscular superhero attractive. There are women who would probably go for a bishounen-looking type of superhero. The same holds true for what men find attractive in women. What artists tend to go for is the idealized look that they find attractive or cool looking. It just so happens that in many of those cases, those designs appeal to most of their audience.

I think superheroes are a bad example though. While there are cerebral types of superheroes, the majority of them are physical, which lends itself to muscular and fit looking characters. My power fantasy isn't a muscular Batman, it would be a geekier Batman.

Well that is the point of irony isn't it? :) Blanket statements about one gender wanting something is still a blanket statement. I just find it a funny comic about the fallacy of that style of argument when people scream "women want men like that too!!"

Well, the argument technically isn't wrong; again, people just keep forgetting to add "Some" to their statements. Some women want burly muscle men. Some women want thin pretty guys. Some women like older men, some like younger men, some like hairy guys, others prefer them clean shaven, some people like calm men, some like aggressive men... you get the idea. And then, on top of that, some women like burly muscly women; some favor thin women, curvy gals... you can go on forever. And don't forget to factor in all of the dudes who like various flavors of dudes dudes, along with the guys who like ladies; then you've got the wide range of people who like things that aren't even human.

People seem to have a real problem understanding and accepting that people like different things. Just because someone rolls their eyes at a heavily muscled male figure doesn't mean there aren't a ten-thousand people who find it appealing. Same goes for a busty female; the "Male Gaze" itself loses some amount of meaning when you stop pretending that men are the only ones who enjoy an attractive woman... and fortunately, there's a decent variety out there in games, film, comics, art, and just about everywhere else to suit people's tastes. There's an impressive amount of art centered around homoerotic Transformers. Embrace the future of everyone getting what they like.

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Also just gonna throw this out there, but the sheer amount of Male Shepards as compared to Female Shepards always baffled me. Man Shep's Voice Acting is SO TERRIBLE; I've tried to play Mass Effect 1 quite a few times as Dude Shepard, but his voice is so bad that I never make it off the Citadel. I inevitably revert to Renegade FemShep and remember why I like that game so much. Her voice is so much better that it's absolutely astounding; makes me feel bad for the people who played it as a guy and missed out.

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@pcorb: And that's fine, you're not required to understand everyone's points of view on different subjects; there are plenty of people who completely baffle me. There are people who don't think Silent Hill 3 is the best game in the series, if you can believe that craziness. There are people who have nothing but disdain for the Dynasty Warriors franchise and the fans of it, and I don't even know what life must be like to hate fun that much... and I know plenty of people personally who are staunchly against admitting when another man is attractive, no matter how obvious it is. My brother admitted once that while yes, that Saudi Arabian model who got exiled for being too hot was good looking, he couldn't actually SAY that because it'd be weird. Leaves me shaking my head and wondering where the world has gone to.

That said, it really comes across as you poking at someone trying to get a reaction; asking him to explain himself further might have worked better than repeatedly expressing your confusion the way you did.

I guess for me this whole argument wraps up in a lot of others; people say that they have trouble relating to characters that aren't the same race/gender/whatever, but I've never experienced that. It confuses me that people need that factor to feel a connection to a character; as a kid I read stories day in, day out. The main characters sometimes were adults, other times kids, sometimes female, sometimes male, and on at least one occasion a Dragon who'd kidnapped a princess became her friend over time. I never had a problem getting into a character's headspace, even when the writing was bad; if it was I just made up something for myself that made it make more sense.

I do the same with video games; I roll with the punches, I related to... well, most characters. It's more rare to find a character with whom I don't relate, honestly. When it came to Persona 4 I could understand the issues of everyone on the main cast, and even found myself feeling pretty attached to Mitsuo, that crazy bastard. He's a lot like I was in middle school. It doesn't really matter if the character's a lady, a dude, what color they are, what species they are... if they're even remotely well written it's not too hard to get into the story. Maybe I've just got a higher tolerance for that kind of thing than most. I understand people who want to have things in common with the characters in the games they play, of course, and I love when games throw a curveball at you, but I also enjoy the things we've got now, and it seems like some people think the only way to have more of the latter is to tear down the reputation of the former.

Also as far as video games being a Male Power Fantasy I direct people to Link and Marth; two lithe, attractive, pretty dudes who've got their fair share of female and male admirers. Just because it's a power fantasy doesn't mean you aren't allowed to find it hot; who doesn't feel like being swept off their feet once in a while?