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Witchervania: He Who Fights Monsters

Is it weird that I like making these videos? Because holy balls did this take forreeever.

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The one nice thing about being 2 years behind on games is that by the time you do get around to playing anything, it’s a lot cheaper. This summer’s Reasonably Priced Games? The prodigiously subtitled Castlevania: Lords of Shadow and The Witcher 2: Assassin of Kings.

To begin with, these are possibly the most gorgeous looking games on the 360. Castlevania in particular has some of the most stunning environments I’ve seen in quite some time, and while the Witcher is a little blander in that department it more than makes up for it with the character designs – I found myself geeking out over just the clothing more than once. But these games have much more going on than just great style.

I don’t have a history with either series, which I think actually benefited me to some extent, in that I had no real expectations. In the case of the Witcher Part Deux, I did have more trouble than usual in following the story, but that has more to do with the game simply not explaining what’s going on until well after something actually happens. This might be more realistic – and in retrospect I admire the attempt – but it can be a bit frustrating (going into the journal entries doesn’t help because they often address things that haven’t even occurred yet).

The choices in The Witcher 2 are often aesthetic rather than moral.
The choices in The Witcher 2 are often aesthetic rather than moral.

A big fuss is made over the Witcher being the more ‘mature’, morally grey fantasy series in gaming, but the reality is that its idea of maturity hews more closely to Game of Thrones than anything else: the occasional nudity (admittedly tasteful, as far as sex in games go) frequent vulgar asides and everyone being kind of a dick, rather than any emotional complexity. It makes a show of political machinations, and succeeds in some respects, but much of the Moral Greyness of the setting seems to be taken for granted. The end of Act 1 has you deciding between partnering up with Roche or Iorveth. There’s this whole thing about ‘is Iorveth a terrorist or a freedom fighter? Who’s to say?’ but the problem is that they offer nothing for you to base that decision on yourself, only the opinions of others. It ultimately becomes an aesthetic choice rather than an ethical one.

I chose Iorveth because it seemed to throw a bit of a twist in the narrative, although I will go back and do Roche’s path at some point. Vergen is a fun town – if only the fucking harpies would stop screeching every 3 seconds – but there was a weird moment that threw the rest of the story into a weird light. There’s an elf lady you can talk to who says something along the lines of ‘all this nonhuman rights talk has made me realize women get fucked over a lot too’, to which Geralt’s response is basically “UGH Feminists”. Now, I’m not saying you can’t put real-life politics in games, but… really? And it makes the whole Saskia thing kind of weird in retrospect, because the supposed poster girl for woman empowerment is – well, she is at least a female, anyway. Add in Dandelion’s editorializing about how Saskia only has followers because she’s hot (which would otherwise just be fleshing out his character) and it becomes this weird sexual politics argument that really doesn’t vibe with the rest of game at all.

Hater's Gonna Hate
Hater's Gonna Hate

As far as the actual gameplay goes, I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Much of the game revolves around using the appropriate buffs and items during combat, and those just happen to be the two things I avoid like the plague whenever I play an RPG. So the fact that the game actually made that aspect fun says a lot. I actually was a little disappointed that there wasn’t more monster hunting to do – a bit similar to how people felt about the scarcity of tombs in the newest Tomb Raider, I think. The pre-hunt investigation/preparation is possibly the nerdiest thing I’ve seen in a while, but it’s also really cool. It also helped that Geralt’s relationship with the monsters was one of the more interesting parts of his character, and one that I wish had been explored more. If you spare the dragon at the end but don’t have Philippa’s dagger, Geralt can explain that he refuses to slay dragons on a purely moral basis – which is the most revealing thing we’ve heard about him in the entire game. If nothing else, I’m interested in seeing how they choose to fill out the open world in the Witcher 3.

Boob Jam game idea: You play as one of Gabriel's Crystal Demons and have to fight monsters with your breasts.
Boob Jam game idea: You play as one of Gabriel's Crystal Demons and have to fight monsters with your breasts.

As I said earlier, I have no history with the Castlevania franchise. What’s more, I’ve never played a God of War game, and since the two biggest complaints about Lords of Shadow were that it was A) not like the other Castlevanias, and B) too much like God of War, those supposed drawbacks were irrelevant to me. What I didn’t realize is how much Lords of Shadow would directly address why I hate God of War so much.

From watching footage and talking to people, I think I have a pretty good understanding of GoW, in which you play a constantly-yelling dude seeking revenge for the death of his wife (who he murdered) and who systematically kills every single character in Greek Mythology. Ryan once made the argument that Kratos is actually the villain in the story, an argument I was willing to accept but one that did not justify the fact that those games are just a bunch of misguided immature bullshit.

Lords of Shadow is a rebuttal of God of War's very premise.
Lords of Shadow is a rebuttal of God of War's very premise.

So what surprised me about LoS is that you play as an angry dude seeking revenge for the death of his wife (who he murdered) and who kills every character he meets. Gabriel doesn’t even want to kill these people, but they just keep thowing themselves on his sword, and the game charts his descent into this constantly angry, kind of evil person. Or at least, that’s how Zobek describes him. Gabriel himself says very little (which makes Zobek’s journey from weirdly unreliable narrator to Unreliable Narrator a bit odd to see unfold). Instead of just being a GoW clone, the whole thing becomes a very strange rebuttal of the entire premise of the God of War franchise. It seems to hit all the same notes, but does so without ever becoming grating or juvenile.

Fuck this guy in particular.
Fuck this guy in particular.

So, how does it feel to finally play a GoW-style game in 2013? Fucking awesome. This game is so much goddam fun. Especially coming off the Witcher, having a game where leveling up means being able to do more, instead of more of the same, feel very refreshing. It’s easy to see why people would give up on it, as the combat really doesn’t take off until you’ve been able to unlock more moves, but holy shit does it take off. Especially after the second Titan this game becomes a pure blast to play, even when it’s frustratingly difficult, because you know it’s a matter of ‘I need to play this better’, and not ‘I need to grind my character/buy more bullshit items’. That being said, The boss fights could be a bit frustrating in all the combo's you've unlocked aren't useful because they make you too exposed, and you end up just rolling around a lot and sneaking in a hit or two, then rolling a lot, etc. Even that still ended up being kind of fun, though, so good on them.

It’s not surprising that the strongest section of the game is the Vampire Castle. I can understand why they chose not to set the whole game there, but that area certainly played to the core strengths of the game in every aspect. It’s actually similar to the better parts of the Witcher, which pulled from Polish fairy tales and such, in that it takes a more classical approach to the fantasy material over the Magic-Crystals-Dark-Lords-Save-the-World bullshit. Granted, it becomes more or less Van Helsing: The Game, but still. It works really well here, and I hope they learn the right lessons for the sequel.

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In other media news: I still need to see Pacific Rim, Drinking Buddies is a really good movie and everyone should go watch it (although maybe wait so you don’t have to rent it for 10 bucks on iTunes, because what?) and whoever canceled Bunheads should be slowly roasted over an open fire.

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I recently did the elf dude's quest after a couple of months after finishing it, it reminded me why this game is very awesome. Cannot wait for The Witcher 3, as well.

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@bigjeffrey: Which path did you like better? I've heard Roche's gets a little boring, so I'm a little hesitant to go right back into it.

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@bigjeffrey: Which path did you like better? I've heard Roche's gets a little boring, so I'm a little hesitant to go right back into it.

I've done both, i'd say wait a while before you go back maybe before Witcher 3? But you spend most of your time in the barracks. I thought it was alright.

yeah just wait a bit before going back.

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I'm playing the game right now also, and I feel sort of lukewarm about it. The story has it's share of interesting moments, and some of the mysteries are intriguing but the actual details of it (ie the characters and dialogue) are kind of boring. And it's hard to care how your choices affect the characters when you don't feel too connected with them. A lot of the time I feel like I'm only doing quests to see them checked off in my journal. The combat was cool at first, but it's starting to wear on me. I'll probably finish the story though, just to see how it plays out, since I feel like I'm near the end anyway.

I really loved the Witcher, and I actually feel like this is a better game. I just think my tastes have changed a lot since that one came out.

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Really surprised to see someone so down on the "maturity" of The Witcher 2. Maybe its just because the setting grabbed me in a particular way (I sought out the books as soon as I finished the game) but I felt like it did maturity right. It wasn't a game of shock value, of "dude look boobs and bloooooood everywhere!" like God of War is, it really treated the events of the game as serious but often highlighted how medieval political leaders masked petty disputes with a thin veneer of seriousness. Take the prologue, for example. Foltest and his men are moving on La Valette Castle basically because him and the Lady of the castle are sleeping with each other and he might possibly be the father of her illegitimate children and this causes them to quarrel. The major players know this and think its really silly, but to the public they project an air of stoicism and send hundreds of soldiers to their deaths for something as silly as a lover's spat.

As to your criticism of Ioroveth's path being tonally dissonant, I actually played the opposite chapter 2 with Roche, so I can't really say. However, I can say from reading the books that the Roche path seems to me like it would be the canon path if the events of the game were made into a Witcher novel. It weaves a lot more of the political intrigue between the Northern Kingdoms and Nilfgaard into the story, which is an important concept in the books starting with Blood of Elves. That's not to say some of the characters in the other path can't be kind of juvenile about Saskia, with a prostitute you meet in Roche's path saying she'd be a lot less warlike if she'd just have sex with someone.

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My feelings on Lords of Shadow are oh so very complicated. I wanted to like it a whole lot, and some parts I really do like, but it has a thousand little things that bother me about it. The way the narration paints him versus the actual actions of Gabriel is one of them. Hell, he'd be a lot more interesting if he actually did become a villain at some point.

Have you played the DLC yet? Don't. Watch it on youtube or something. Though after coming away pretty sour on the whole experience with the main game, the first DLC actually reminded me that there were parts I really liked about it too. I guess it's why I still hold out hope that LoS2 will fix the grievances I had with the first game. Anyhow, the DLC is probably not worth the asking price, but it sorta, totally explains what happens that leads to the after credits ending, only not really.

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Been reading The Last Wish slowly over the summer and it really makes me want to try a Witcher game. I own the first on Steam, but the second looks more fun to play. But I like to play a series in order. You can see the stalemate I got into with myself.

And Lords of Shadow... got three hours in and stopped. Came back a year later and loved it. There's a slow start, but the way they show Gabriel's degeneration in the Patrick Stewart voiceovers, coupled with the beautiful art and music, made it extraordinarily memorable. Hopefully they address the framerate issues in 2. That's about all I was down on.

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Those are both awesome games. I loved Lords of Shadow and it would have been my GotY if Mass Effect 2 hadn't come out in the same year. The magic and parry system in LoS is fantastic, escpecially on higher difficulties where you have to take risks and try to parry when you're low on health to get more orbs to heal yourself. It basically forces you to do the exact opposite to what you would normally resort to and it makes for some great fights. In addition to that the art design really clicked with me (like you wrote, it's a gorgeous game) and I thought most of the bossfights were done really well. The story has one or two hickups but I found the setting and lore to be very interesting. The hits feel heavy and hard and once you get a feeling for the combos, once you know when to use what, it becomes even better. I personally like it a lot more than I liked GoW 3 or most "character action games" for that matter.

I'm also one of the people who played through Witcher 2 two (and a half) times to see the two different main paths and while I did like Iorveth's path a little bit more the military camp you visit when you chose Roche has its own charm and I think both are worth seeing though I definetely would recommend some time off before you jump in again. The one thing I didn't love was the combat. I died quite a few times in the early segments of the game but once you reach a certain threshold you just mow everything down. I would have liked more finesse and depth to the combat system, so that if feels closer to how the books describe fights and especially his fighting style.

I should probably mention that I've read all seven books and they're actually some of my favorite fantasy novels (read them if you get the chance) which only adds to the enjoyment I have interacting with this world and I can't fucking wait until The Witcher 3 arrives because it just looks incredible and couldn't be in better hands.

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@altairre: What should my next book be after The Last Wish? There are only like three translated to English, right? I'm Polish but oh well!

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Witcher 2 is awesome!

I just came back to it after a break, the combat was driving me insane. Seems a bit better with the recently release combat mod on PC. In a world where bioware now sucks ass, i'm really glad this game and this company exist.

The graphics on PC are pretty much the best i've seen next to crysis 3.

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@altairre: What should my next book be after The Last Wish? There are only like three translated to English, right? I'm Polish but oh well!

It's best to read them in order which means "The sword of destiny" should be your next one before you get into the main story (the main story references events that happen in the fist two short story books and you will understand certain relatinships better). I don't think it's been translated into English yet (because why would you translate them in the right order right?) but if you're Polish that shouldn't be a problem. Then you can get to Blood of Elves and go from there.

Man,those books are great. I remember reading the last two in basically one session starting at eleven one moring and finishing at around five the next moring.

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@rowr said:

Witcher 2 is awesome!

I just came back to it after a break, the combat was driving me insane. Seems a bit better with the recently release combat mod on PC. In a world where bioware now sucks ass, i'm really glad this game and this company exist.

The graphics on PC are pretty much the best i've seen next to crysis 3.

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It's hard to believe these are in-game.

Really wish i had played the PC version. 360 version was alight though,

Witcher 3 pretty much looks JAW Dropping.

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@altairre said:

The magic and parry system in LoS is fantastic, escpecially on higher difficulties where you have to take risks and try to parry when you're low on health to get more orbs to heal yourself. It basically forces you to do the exact opposite to what you would normally resort to and it makes for some great fights.

Exactly. At first I was annoyed that there were no 'health items', but eventually you realize it's actually kind of a genius system. Healing requires fighting more, not running away or anything.

@jacksukeru: Haha, I didn't even know there was DLC. Sounds like Prince of Persia all over again.

And the narration bothered me too, at first. To be fair, the story on its own merit isn't very good - and barely existent most of the time. My favorite moment in the whole game is near the beginning, when the glowy horse shows up and is like "Quickly, come with me! There's no time to explain!" Which is about as much explanation as they give for anything in that game.

That being said, while Zobek's reveal was more of a 'oh ok' moment than 'holy shit', I was under the impression that the whole point was it meant he was saying all these things about Gabriel that weren't entirely true - what I meant by unreliable narrator. Zobek wants Gabriel to be this wrathful Prince of Darkness, but he isn't, he's just super bummed the whole time. Even the post-credits reveal isn't really "and then Gabriel turned eevill ooohooo!" so much as things just got even shittier for him. Dracula is a sad panda.

@president_barackbar: I think part of why it didn't really click for me is what @food said:

it's hard to care how your choices affect the characters when you don't feel too connected with them.

Much of the political/ethical stuff it feels like they really only pay lip service to rather than explore. It's what I meant by aesthetic vs. ethical choice. The Prologue is actually the part of the game that did that stuff best, and I wonder if a Witcher game might benefit from being fully linear like the beginning is. The ending felt very awkward because the big dramatic event is focused around reinstituting the Conclave, which they barely explain (even with reading all the in-game books and stuff) and had nothing to do with the rest of the story. And maybe Letho's big motivational reveal as having worked for Nilfegaard the whole time might seem like a bigger deal if I play Roche's path, if it covers that stuff like you said, because that seemed kind of irrelevant to the rest of the game as well.

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@csl316 said:

@altairre: What should my next book be after The Last Wish? There are only like three translated to English, right? I'm Polish but oh well!

It's best to read them in order which means "The sword of destiny" should be your next one before you get into the main story (the main story references events that happen in the fist two short story books and you will understand certain relatinships better). I don't think it's been translated into English yet (because why would you translate them in the right order right?) but if you're Polish that shouldn't be a problem. Then you can get to Blood of Elves and go from there.

So which is the better/faster plan, learning Polish or waiting for them to translate everything?

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@csl316 said:

@markwahlberg: I actually tracked down some fan translations right here.

For now, Ittle Dew.

I skipped through them a bit and they're actually pretty spot on for the most part. Since only three books have been officially translated into English so far (skipping one of them) and since the last one came out a while ago I doubt you'll see the rest anytime soon. If you're interested you should probably go with the fan translations.

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@csl316 said:

@markwahlberg: I actually tracked down some fan translations right here.

For now, Ittle Dew.

This guy right here. Topical humor, everybody.

(thanks for finding these!)

@altairre: Good to know, I'll check em out.