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Pc Gamers...the master race

(I apologize for the long post and have sincere gratitude for people that read the whole thing) 
I in no way condone the above, this is in reference to a post I recently saw on our lovely Giantbomb
 
  

@Dany

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" Why do people complain when games are 60 instead of 50? Or that they have to pay for DLC? I've never understood that, I've had my xbox then followed by my 360 and never touched  game on the PC. Why all the special treatment for the PC and their audience? "
 

  The above is a statement I've seen from a lot of people, his logic is also the justificationf or why so many console gamers despise us hardcore Pc gamers. Let me explain something:
 
The 360 and PS3 came out about five years ago and with them brought two things  that changed how games are sold: $60 games and $10-$5 DLC. These are two things that had never been heard of before in either the console or pc gaming market. These are two things perpetuated by by Microsoft and Sony; they are the cost of licensing fees so that a game company may get their game published on the Microsoft or Sony platform. DLC is a way to monetize game development, make more money for more content....justified by the amount of money it takes to make games now. 
 
With that said let's look at something:
PC GAMERS have ALWAYS received their games for $50 or less and always got content for free.  THERE IS NO LICENSING FEE to publish a game on the PC, hell, you don't even have to go through STEAM or an actual publisher, you can use the power of the internet (not effective). We do not like paying more money for games that are digitally distributed because that model gets rid of various middle mans that otherwise would need to be compensated. We do not like paying for more content for two reason 1) before this year we had always gotten it for free and 2)generally they are overpriced and not worth $10...maybe $5, and certainly not $15 (I'm looking at you Infinity Ward). 
 
What could be argued in the case for making PC GAMERS quit bitching and suffer the same economic model as their console bretheren:
$60 games secures the following: Top payment to the developer, and compensation for dealing with piracy (only if they don't have draconian DRM, I'm looking at you UBISOFT)
$5, maybe $10 for DLC if the company actually needs to make more money to afford their next big product. Otherwise it's just silver lining in their pockets.. 
 
The sentiment:
Most PC GAMERS I would argue are very utilitarian and only do things if they see it as necessary or useful...neither of which can be deduced for a $10 price hike and the rip off that is the pricing model of DLC.
 
To put it in better terms:
PC Gamers, until very recently....always paid $50 per game, or $30 if it was an expansion.
PC Gamers, until very recently....got new content (not new games), for free. (making DLC paid also rips the online community apart, if its an online game)
PC Gamers do not like price hikes or charging for content that is maybe only 20mb big.... 
 
So ask you....what if Giantbomb started charged an initial fee to use their website and then charged you money for "DLC"? How would you feel. Currently you get Giantbomb for free. Currently you get all of their content for free. Do not claim PC GAMERS are entitled...we are consumerist and don't like being ripped off as much as the next guy. Console gamers....just quit bitching at us for bitching...you act like we shouldn't complain because you all are fine with the current economic practices...we aren't, so we are allowed to voice our opinion, however; do not say we're entitled.
 
1) I've never paid for DLC on my PC or XBOX 360.
2) I do not play online games on my XBOX 360 because I think its wrong to charge for that service when the PC AND PS3 do not.
3) I do not play MMOs that charge monthly because I think it's wrong.
 
You either have ideals and live by them or you don't.
We aren't entitled, we're annoyed consumerist.
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(I apologize for the long post and have sincere gratitude for people that read the whole thing) 
I in no way condone the above, this is in reference to a post I recently saw on our lovely Giantbomb
 
  

@Dany

said:

" Why do people complain when games are 60 instead of 50? Or that they have to pay for DLC? I've never understood that, I've had my xbox then followed by my 360 and never touched  game on the PC. Why all the special treatment for the PC and their audience? "
 

  The above is a statement I've seen from a lot of people, his logic is also the justificationf or why so many console gamers despise us hardcore Pc gamers. Let me explain something:
 
The 360 and PS3 came out about five years ago and with them brought two things  that changed how games are sold: $60 games and $10-$5 DLC. These are two things that had never been heard of before in either the console or pc gaming market. These are two things perpetuated by by Microsoft and Sony; they are the cost of licensing fees so that a game company may get their game published on the Microsoft or Sony platform. DLC is a way to monetize game development, make more money for more content....justified by the amount of money it takes to make games now. 
 
With that said let's look at something:
PC GAMERS have ALWAYS received their games for $50 or less and always got content for free.  THERE IS NO LICENSING FEE to publish a game on the PC, hell, you don't even have to go through STEAM or an actual publisher, you can use the power of the internet (not effective). We do not like paying more money for games that are digitally distributed because that model gets rid of various middle mans that otherwise would need to be compensated. We do not like paying for more content for two reason 1) before this year we had always gotten it for free and 2)generally they are overpriced and not worth $10...maybe $5, and certainly not $15 (I'm looking at you Infinity Ward). 
 
What could be argued in the case for making PC GAMERS quit bitching and suffer the same economic model as their console bretheren:
$60 games secures the following: Top payment to the developer, and compensation for dealing with piracy (only if they don't have draconian DRM, I'm looking at you UBISOFT)
$5, maybe $10 for DLC if the company actually needs to make more money to afford their next big product. Otherwise it's just silver lining in their pockets.. 
 
The sentiment:
Most PC GAMERS I would argue are very utilitarian and only do things if they see it as necessary or useful...neither of which can be deduced for a $10 price hike and the rip off that is the pricing model of DLC.
 
To put it in better terms:
PC Gamers, until very recently....always paid $50 per game, or $30 if it was an expansion.
PC Gamers, until very recently....got new content (not new games), for free. (making DLC paid also rips the online community apart, if its an online game)
PC Gamers do not like price hikes or charging for content that is maybe only 20mb big.... 
 
So ask you....what if Giantbomb started charged an initial fee to use their website and then charged you money for "DLC"? How would you feel. Currently you get Giantbomb for free. Currently you get all of their content for free. Do not claim PC GAMERS are entitled...we are consumerist and don't like being ripped off as much as the next guy. Console gamers....just quit bitching at us for bitching...you act like we shouldn't complain because you all are fine with the current economic practices...we aren't, so we are allowed to voice our opinion, however; do not say we're entitled.
 
1) I've never paid for DLC on my PC or XBOX 360.
2) I do not play online games on my XBOX 360 because I think its wrong to charge for that service when the PC AND PS3 do not.
3) I do not play MMOs that charge monthly because I think it's wrong.
 
You either have ideals and live by them or you don't.
We aren't entitled, we're annoyed consumerist.
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@Jimbo said: 

@Willy105 said: 

" Because the PC Master Race deserves more than what the console peasants get. "
Correct. 
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   This was pretty much the highlight of that thread, so I am porting it to your blog post. 
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Edited By mrhankey

Lol, as much as I appreciate that. I'm a little irked by how often I see a thread complaining about PC gamers.

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@mrhankey said:
" Lol, as much as I appreciate that. I'm a little irked by how often I see a thread complaining about PC gamers. "
We have a right to be irked, we're dying out.
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If giantbomb started charging, people would go somewhere else. Stop paying what you think is too expensive, wait for it to go on sale. The large initial price is to get people that must have the game now, PC games usually go down in price quite quickly especially with Steam sales.

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@ButtonsMcBoomBoom said:
" If giantbomb started charging, people would go somewhere else. Stop paying what you think is too expensive, wait for it to go on sale. The large initial price is to get people that must have the game now, PC games usually go down in price quite quickly especially with Steam sales. "
Now imaging saying that to a console gamer. "Yeah, GOW3 is overpriced. Now wait for a price drop"
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We should cleanse this filthy world of the lesser "console gamer" race...
 
I know exactly what to do

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@Fallen189: There are a lot of console gamers that don't pay full price for games, why do you think the used game market is so huge?
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I rent games, I buy pre-owned games, I sell / trade old games. I use a 360.
 
I use my PC for Giantbomb and asian porn. The way it's supposed to be. And also because it's a piece of shit.

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i knew u used ur 360 for ur gay porn!

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I don't even know what to say as a console gamer. This is insulting! =O

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@mrhankey said:
" The sentiment:
Most PC GAMERS I would argue are very utilitarian and only do things if they see it as necessary or useful...neither of which can be deduced for a $10 price hike and the rip off that is the pricing model of DLC. "
Yes, because a cloth map is really useful. PC games have cost more than $50 long before the 360/PS3 ever existed in the form of collector's editions.
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@Fragstoff said:
"PC FTW! "

PC Fate of Two Worlds? That a new model?
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OP is right. The licensing fees are what makes console games more expensive. And PC games run much better than console games, atleast on my PC.

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That's right PC gamers are Nazis

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Do we really need another thread pitting PC gamers and console gamers against each other as if we both don't enjoy playing games?
 
You don't like the stereotype that console gamers have of PC gamers that you complain all the time...so you complain about people complaining about your complaining?

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Is this forum turning into fucking system wars?  Just play some games and talk about them.

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Indeed, this kind of argument goes nowhere and can be argued to absurdity by just going back in time to previous consoles or pre-PC games. I still remember paying a mere $5 for my ZX Spectrum games. I would much rather talk about the games themselves than the platforms.

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@Riboflavin said:
" @Jimbo said: 

@Willy105 said: 

" Because the PC Master Race deserves more than what the console peasants get. "
Correct. 
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   This was pretty much the highlight of that thread, so I am porting it to your blog post.  "
That's an awesome picture/screen cap.
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 Good thread, your totally right, pc games are cheaper because there is no licensing fees that the console has. When ubisoft tries to charge more money because they can, it's an outrage.

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@Riboflavin: I could tell due to the art style.
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I agree with this and have not purchased any dlc ever.  Though I do have xbox live and have purchased a few games over it.