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@Stang: if u think that pros dont mash things your wrong, do u think diago has the ability to time a shoryuken through a 3 frame lp block string? if you dont like mashers go play SF3... better yet play JR in third strike u cant mash much in 3s.   btw this isnt jr its his friend K epix(u can see some of my vids on his chanel pikachuakuma)
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@Blueglenn: Go play a different game because I don't agree with abusing online tactics? No. IV is the only game I know, I have maybe played 3 for a whopping 2 hours. JR is great, don't get me wrong. He is amazing at landing supers, his empty jump super got me everytime. 
 
But come on, you think a deep jump kick -> crouching jab should get reverse srk'd 9/10 times? I watch a lot of high level play, I don't see that. Do you ever see Ed Ma doing demons while an opponent does crouch jab crouching jab, in the between the two jabs? Hell no! I have no problem losing to good players who play clean, that is how I learn. WestAB and Ultima for example, they have  superb Akuma's and at the same time do not mash. Much respect for them.
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u cant shoryu out of a light punch block string if u r punching fast enough(unless your cammy or ryu). And last time Edma and JR played JR won most of the rounds then *disconnected*  so maybe you should try what works, If you arent using the tools the game is giving you then (like mashing out demons)your just cheating yourself. btw he also beats ultima and westab most of the times he plays them.

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@Blueglenn: Those aren't the tools of the game, those are unintentional tools created from the nature of online play. That shit does not work in person. It is really difficult to try to adapt to somebody that spams reversal's all the time, especially when the person is a good player outside of the mashing. What am I supposed to do, jump kick sweep?
 
This is my last post in this thread, no point in arguing anymore. He kicked my ass, that is all there is too it. I am just a tad sour about the methods he used to win. At around 0-5 I got to the point where I mentally gave up, so he beat me in more then one way. Props to him.
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@Stang: A:  dont mash lp and u wont get mash demoned i can show u some vids of me predicting he was going to demon and stopping... i can also show u some videos of pro japanese players in SBO finals mashing demons.
  B: that shit does work in person lol(proof on youtube)
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I lied....2 minutes in. Listen to the controller. Enough said.
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@Stang: i like how u posted some1 elses video dont worry yours will be up in a sec lol, also no1 said he wasnt mashing demon, so.. you havent "said enough"
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@Blueglenn said:
" @Stang: i like how u posted some1 elses video dont worry yours will be up in a sec lol, also no1 said he wasnt mashing demon, so.. you havent "said enough" "
I wish I had hands that quick, haha. This is probably a stupid question, but when you guys say mashing you mean inputting the command multiple times in a row really fast to hit it, right?
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Man this thread is getting good, in this corner we got Stang haters of cheese and mash. In the other we have K Epix a defender of JR.
 
WHO WILL WIN!
 
GET HYPE SON!!!!!!

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what he's probably doing is hitting lp, lp, hp all at once over and over while moving the stick back in forth. 
 
In this case, i support jr. if you aren't confident in your block strings then back the hell off. you are right about him not being able to pull this off at a pro tournament, but that's because those guys rarely miss their links

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I agree that mashing sucks. I used to do it all the time and could basicaly only beat better players because I did it. I don't do it anymore though. The reason it's only done online is because if you're in an arcade or round a friend's house and you see someone mashing the joystick and spamming the button then that person gets no respect for the win because it takes a great deal of skill to do these 1 frame links yet no skill at all to mash whatever you're doing and FADC into ultra or land a demon and do 60% damage. So I totally agree with Stang and that's why I think he's such a good player because he could beat me every time only by using tactics and predicting and not mashing even though I would mash at every chance I could. I'd sometimes get off a SRK between his links and do a bit of damage but he still beat me because he learnt the game far better then I did.
 
Online no one can see or hear what you're doing so people don't care what they think of them so they mash. Then it becomes a game of stopping your link shorter then you would normaly because you know the other player is just mashing so you block his SRK and punish. That's no fun at all because unless you've got a link down 100% and spent hours in training mode perfecting it and the latency is perfect then the game penalizes you for exploring combos in a match because if you get it slightly wrong you get a SRK in the face. That why I think some shotos are so popular for begginner and amatuer players, because you can mash like crazy and get damage you'd not be able to get with a charge character. Which is a shame because charge characters can be some of the most interesting to fight.

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@Blueglenn: How about you unglue your lips from JR's ass, ok? Can't he fight his own battles, he really has to send his minions to defend him? I have no issues losing when I am outplayed, that is only a half truth here. Outside of the mashing, JR is a very good player, how many more times do I need to say that before it gets through your skull? Mashing ultra, super and srk's ONLINE hoping a link misses is pretty shitty. I should not have to worry about simple links like I did, it was ridiculous. I don't even know why I put myself through more then 5 losses to him, guess I am a glutton for pain.  Talk all the shit you want, laugh at the vids and call me a scrub...whatever makes your e-peen grow. 
 
@Jeffsekai: I already lost because I am wasting my life in this thread talking shit to some dude that signed up only to defend another dude. Love the tag line man...the only thing you are missing is GET HYPE!
 
@Thrawn: Wrong, that doesn't work offline because A)It is offline B)You would look like a fool hitting inputs like that. 
 
@Scooper: At least somebody understands what I am saying. Thanks.
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@Stang said:
 
Done!
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Stang how bout you go play JR in person. He doesnt live that far from you seeing as you are both in Cali. How bout you go to a tournament like I have been telling you for weeks and duke it out there for real. Maybe even put some money on the line.

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@SpecialBuddy: I am willing to do that. Granted I will most likely get my ass kicked, but at least it will be legit and the only person I have to blame is myself. 
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@Stang: Do it! I want to see.
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Alright, here is our video from last night:
 
 

  
 I taunted him a few times in the beginning because I wanted to egg him on, and since there's been so much talk about him here that I felt like it really added to the tension of the fight. I was a bit nervous getting ready to play him because I wasn't sure how exactly he played, his style, etc.
 
So anyway, enjoy, or whatever me getting my ass handed to me.
 
PS. The taunting is partly inspired by Fuson909.
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@Napalm: The funny thing is it's so obvious he's mashing super/ultra to get you between links but you're not getting caught by it because you're not really trying to do any links apart from jab jab jab so he can very rarely get you before your jab recedes and you can just jump out. Quite enjoyed watching that.
 
Edit: The incessant taunting does make you look like a cocky arse though.
 
Edit 2: Also an incredible amount of wakeup flashkick and ultras. Once you catch on to that stuff it really doesn't work that well.
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@Napalm: You fared better then I did, so good job. The only thing I can say is easy on those wake up ultra's (are you sure you don't play Ken? :P), you probably could have won a few more. Also, I have never seen so many successful Guile ultra's, nice job.
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Yeah, he learned to stop trying to sweep me after the first match or so, and I kept doing it because I was always down so much. But yeah, I very rarely did combos that finished with a Somersault Kick or Sonic Boom because of I knew he was trying to mash through it. This is probably why it's a good idea for me to learn some of his more powerful three-hit combos instead of the jab combos. Though ideally, being mashed through my weak links hasn't really been a problem for me so far, except this one time, haha.
 
But like I said, we exchanged some messages and he seemed like a totally cool dude. I really wanna box him again one day.

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@Scooper: haha we were thinking the same things! I am fully prepared to get harassed by each and every one of you when my time comes!
 
/fetches flame shield
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I taunted like two or three times, I think, and it was always after he missed something or after I hit an Ultra... a perfect time! And yeah, I generally don't do a lot of wake up Somersault Kicks, but like I mentioned, I was always down so much and he was always using those Dive Kicks that I kept thinking it would hit in front of me and not slightly behind. But yeah.

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@Napalm said:
" Yeah, he learned to stop trying to sweep me after the first match or so, and I kept doing it because I was always down so much. But yeah, I very rarely did combos that finished with a Somersault Kick or Sonic Boom because of I knew he was trying to mash through it. This is probably why it's a good idea for me to learn some of his more powerful three-hit combos instead of the jab combos. Though ideally, being mashed through my weak links hasn't really been a problem for me so far, except this one time, haha.  But like I said, we exchanged some messages and he seemed like a totally cool dude. I really wanna box him again one day. "
A couple good ones are instead of a simple flash kick do a c.MP - Hard/EX flash kick. It does a bit more damage. Another one to practice is crouch jab jab medium punch flash kick and you can fairly easily tack on a super after the flash kick if you want to finish it in style, that one seems to be useful to you since jab jab jab doesn't do barely any damage so if you can sort out the jab to medium punch timing you'll be laughing for alot of extra damage.
 
Apart from that there isn't that many apart from jump hard kick crouch medium punch hard/EX flashkick being another very meaty combo for damage.
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I don't know why, but I can't get j.FK > c.MP > SK to work. It's like the Somersault Kick doesn't have enough time to charge or something. I'll probably mess around with possible combos in Training Mode.

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@Napalm said:
" I don't know why, but I can't get j.FK > c.MP > SK to work. It's like the Somersault Kick doesn't have enough time to charge or something. I'll probably mess around with possible combos in Training Mode. "
Yeah I had that problem for a while I found out that I spent too much time after doing a move where I wasn't charging. Like if I jumped I'd take too long to put the stick into downback to start the charge again. Now whenever I play a charge character I always snap the stick back to charge every time the charge is lost and now it's just like a habbit. It's a good habit though because I usualy have charge when I need to do something instead of thinking of a move, starting the charge then doing the move I now just need to think and then I can 9 time out of 10 do it without having to generate any extra charge for myself.
 
Ps. I'm trying to not come off as a swat to make myself appear better at / more knowledgable at the game because to be honest I think you'd destroy me but I'm just passing on a couple things I've learnt.
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Haha, it's fine, dude. You're just sharing tips.

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His wife just messaged me, nice lady. I really would like to play him again, minus the bullshit online tactics.

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@Stang: Why did his wife message you. Was it because of this thread?
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@Scooper: No idea man, this is what she said:
 
imo u r a good player. u only have 2 b patient with Akuma, specially try to stay a little far sometimes when u c akuma's bar cause i should know what is coming. lol. btw i am JR's wife. hello. *_^
 
It was nice of her to send a message when she had no reason to, that was cool.
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i loled.
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@Stang said:
 
I don't think that was his wife...
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@Jeffsekai said:

" @Stang said:  I don't think that was his wife... "

Of course it's his wife.
 

 btw i am JR's wife. hello. *_^  

See. Proof.
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@Jeffsekai: Why the hell would somebody waste their time sending me a nice message pretending to be somebodies wife? The screen name was AKUMAROSIE.
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You killed J.R.?

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@Stang said:
 
The same people who make accounts on giantbomb.com to bitch about a certain Ken
 
if it is his wife that's cool, but I doubt it.
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@Stang said:
" @Jeffsekai: Why the hell would somebody waste their time sending me a nice message pretending to be somebodies wife? The screen name was AKUMAROSIE. "
Yes, it's his wife. He uploaded videos of PikachuAkuma and AkumaRosie fighting. She used Akuma and Rose.
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@Jeffsekai: Good point sir.
 
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Napalm for the win.
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  Me sucking.
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zzz at your Guile.

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Dude, you're not bad. You put up a pretty good fight. We did similar things like wake-up anti airs and spent more time blocking him then going offensive.
 
And yeah, it seems like you tried to keep your distance a little bit as well. It looks like those Dive Kicks were getting you too. The only tip I have for you is to focus on doing smaller combos and then jumping back out and getting out of dodge.

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Lol. He mashed like crazy in the first 30 seconds and you exposed it amazingly by stopping your links like you do. It's painful at 2:40 when you can hear him mashing like there's no tomorrow. Good fights, though. I think you'd take him in a local match unless he has as little dignity as he does online and mashes like that face to face.

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@Napalm: Yeah, my natural instinct was to do a jab srk on wake up, it got me in trouble! Demon flip -> dive kick are God, they stuff my srk every single time.
 
Don't get my bitterness twisted peeps, JR is fucking good. His ability to land demon's (not the mashed ones) is fucking amazing, moreso with his supers. He is better then mashing in my opinion, that is why I have been ranting. I got lucky once in that vid and escaped a mashed demon, not so lucky at the end when he did the same thing.
 
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@Scooper: Thanks for the support man. I don't know, he has skills. I think it would be a much better match in person though, unless like you said he just does not give a shit and mashes like that in person.
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@foodchaiNN said:

" zzz at your Guile. "

Thanks! That means so much to me, considering we have yet to see any footage of you fighting.
 
@Stang: 
I kept looking for opportunities to hit him with a Step Side Kick or a Spinning Backfist, but he's a jumpy fucker, haha, and so that was near impossible. I actually think a Step Side Kick would actually stuff a Raging Demon if he tried it. I didn't actually try that though. Anyway, we're honestly not that bad. He is a pro level player and if we were at least able to hang in there a bit, that's a testament to how hard we've worked to get good.
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@Napalm said:
" @foodchaiNN said:

" zzz at your Guile. "

Thanks! That means so much to me, considering we have yet to see any footage of you fighting.  @Stang:  I kept looking for opportunities to hit him with a Step Side Kick or a Spinning Backfist, but he's a jumpy fucker, haha, and so that was near impossible. I actually think a Step Side Kick would actually stuff a Raging Demon if he tried it. I didn't actually try that though. Anyway, we're honestly not that bad. He is a pro level player and if we were at least able to hang in there a bit, that's a testament to how hard we've worked to get good. "
Yeah don't hate foodchaiNN, put some vids out there of you playing great players before making fun of people. How about you vs Hedgehog, I would love to see that.
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I like how the status in this forum has almost exclusively become, "either put up footage of yourself fighting, or have somebody record your match, or shut up about making fun of other players."
 
So, yeah, put up or shutup, basically.

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@Scooper said:

" Lol. He mashed like crazy in the first 30 seconds and you exposed it amazingly by stopping your links like you do. It's painful at 2:40 when you can hear him mashing like there's no tomorrow. Good fights, though. I think you'd take him in a local match unless he has as little dignity as he does online and mashes like that face to face. "

I noticed that too, in the first round alone Stang stopped his link and JR just whiffed a huge SRK (mashingggggggg) and Stang punished accordingly. I agree with the whole local match thing tho.
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haha. Too bad im not an attention or status whore but im up for a fight anytime no matter who it is honestly. I play with an Xbox controller and I have no complaints. =|

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@Jeffsekai said:
" @Scooper said:

" Lol. He mashed like crazy in the first 30 seconds and you exposed it amazingly by stopping your links like you do. It's painful at 2:40 when you can hear him mashing like there's no tomorrow. Good fights, though. I think you'd take him in a local match unless he has as little dignity as he does online and mashes like that face to face. "

I noticed that too, in the first round alone Stang stopped his link and JR just whiffed a huge SRK (mashingggggggg) and Stang punished accordingly. I agree with the whole local match thing tho. "
How come we never see you fight?
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@Napalm said:
 
Cuz im bad, if you really want next time me and Canned fight I'll get him to record some matches.