@leinad44: Someone dissed Southerners for no reason, I said I agreed that I had hoped the new Walking Dead would come out soon but that I don't like that he dissed Southerners for no reason. Zoom, people on my ass.
e@Puddlesworth: Learn how to read.
@MariachiMacabre said:
@Still_I_CryLincoln didn't instigate anything. John Brown's Abolitionist uprising started the argument and, subsequently, the war. After the Kansas Abolitionists won the Bleeding Kansas conflict and entered the Union as a free state, Congresses already heated arguments over slavery got much worse. And I'm just going to say my opinion here. When it comes to the subject of slavery, fuck states' rights. I do not have faith in the idea that slavery would naturally die out in a timely enough manner. It still took us one hundred more years to give them equal rights.@Jazzycola: Give me a break. There was far, far more to it than just "hey we want to own slaves" as that privilege was reserved for the richer Southerners. Many were subsistence farmers, and by many, I mean, the vast majority, meaning, they didn't own slaves, they had to live off the land in order to survive, meaning they weren't selling their crops in large portions, they were farming, without slaves, in order to stay alive.
@MariachiMacabre said:
@Still_I_CryI'm a history major so of course I do. I also realize neither Robert E. Lee nor Jefferson Davis were for slavery in any capacity. That does not remove the stigmas attached to the Confederate flag nor does it negate the fact that groups like the KKK don't use it to symbolize states rights they use it to symbolize their forms of oppression and hate. Many who fly the confederate flag aren't nutjobs but in some people eyes the few that are nutjobs spoil the bunch and view the flying of the flag as a form of hate speech. But I suppose if you want to flip out more that's fine too. I was simply attempting to explain the misconception.@MariachiMacabre: You do realize that the civil war was actually the South fighting for their States' Rights, I hope. As such, the Confederate flag symbolizes that, not slavery or whatever bullshit you think it symbolizes. Nutjob for flying a Confederate flag? Really.
But the problem is, the people flying the flag fly it in order to symbolize their rights, not slavery. Let me ask you, I am sure you argue that not ALL muslims are suicide bombers, right? Just because a few blew themselves up doesn't mean we should assume they all will. To a vast, vast majority of the South, those flags symbolize far far different things, not slavery. So, really, they have a right to fly the flag, just because people in the North are ingrates and don't understand history, instead, running to cry racism and call Southerners bigots and slave owners, doesn't mean that is why they fly the flag. "Groups like the KKK don't use it to symbolize states rights they use it to symbolize their forms of oppression and hate" Yeah? Groups like the Taliban and Al Quaeda use the Quran to symbolize violence and oppression of women, are you going to say that the Muslims' holy book is also a symbol of such because a select group of people said so? No, I am sure you wouldn't.
@Hailinel: Except the Nazis used it to symbolize that hatred, many in the South at the time of the war were not and still do not associate the flag with slavery and oppression of certain ethnicities. They also didn't try to take over the world (Southerners) and force others to believe what they did, Lincoln instigated the war instead of letting slavery die a natural death like he originally planned, which resulted in retaliation from the South and the subsequent war.
Oh no, the fact that he promised the Northerners that he would maintain his hold over government land (meaning the States) had nothing to do with it. Supplying forts with ammunition before the South had officially declared secession (not war) also had nothing to do with it. I'm going to give my opinion, I find it hilarious that 4 people hopped on my ass over the simple statement that I didn't care for the idiotic dissing of the South for no reason, I find it hilarious that you don't mind if a government takes away the rights of a State, I think it would have died out in due time, no slaves would be imported, land would become infertile, slavery could not be spread to states that had no slaves. They have more than equal rights, don't even start that shit.
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