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Anything to maintain the perception that games don't come out on Android

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#2  Edited By TinyGrasshopper

I think it should be noted that the SteamOS is mostly regular Ubuntu. When you look at the valve repo, there are very few packages in the repo.

I anticipate that it would be something along the lines of Lubuntu or Xubuntu where it's mostly the same OS as Ubuntu but configured to be lean and only ship with the packages that are needed to accomplish its goal, which is to get you to Big Picture as soon as possible after pressing the power button. I figure the ISO when it is released will be very small.

Also since it would be mostly the same as Ubuntu, I think you would be able to turn the default SteamOS into regular Ubuntu relatively easily and Steam Desktop can be treated like another desktop environment that sits alongside Ubuntu's Unity or LXDE.

To educate the non-Linux users: Desktop Linux supports multiple desktop environments. A desktop environment is a different user interface. So when you get to the login screen you normally login to Ubuntu's default Unity which is the one that looks like MacOSX with the dock on the left hand side. But it is really easy to install a lighter one like LXDE and then you can just choose it at login.

I imagine that since it's a Linux distro and will be relatively open, Big Picture will be the default desktop environment on a standard Ubuntu but with no Ubuntu or Canonical branding anywhere, and it would be trivial to add the Ubuntu Unity or any other desktop environment to it and just switch back and forth.

I think that's what people are confused about. The interface is going to look console-y, but it will still be a PC OS. I think you'll be able to do all the stuff that you can on any other PC operating system, like install packages, install desktop environments, run a browser, install VMs, run a server, all that nerdy stuff.

And as for the people who think that there aren't PC gamers that want a console-like experience, I can't speak for other people, but for me, the older I've gotten the lazier and wearier I've gotten. I want to have the option of upgradeability and maintainability that comes with PC gaming, but I don't want the hassle of actually having to take care of the PC. I want something in-between console and PC. I think there's a space for this.

And the valve approach makes sense, take the most tinkerable OS in Linux and like Ubuntu, make up the difference in the ease of use department, but take it to another level for gaming than Ubuntu would.

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#3  Edited By TinyGrasshopper

@fminus said:

@flacracker said:

@fascismo said:

So this is probably a stupid question, but you won't actually get to play any games on steamOS unless a Linux version exists, right? I'm all for circumventing Windows 8, but there just aren't enough games that I can run outside of Windows for switching to make sense to me

There aren't enough games on the PS4 or XOne but that doesn't stop people, or even maybe yourself, from buying it though. People will buy those consoles and games will get made for them. People will switch to SteamOS now that it is being marketed and push and games will get made for it.

You compare this to PS4 & Xbox One? Both consoles are guaranteed to get a massive library through their lifespan, developers/publishers are working to create games specific for that platform, on the other hand we have just another distribution of Ubuntu called Steam OS and you expect developers to jump on it, just because it's Valve? If developers wanted to create games for Linux they already would have done that without waiting for Valve, even if Linux gains 10% of games because of this, and I guess a lot of indies will bite the bait, it's still nothing compared to Windows.

But that OS wont ever be on my PCs, simply because I don't just use them to play games and so do other people.

Besides looking at the track record of Valve fixing issues I don't really trust them that this thing will work without problems, especially cause it's Linux and we know how things work on that OS, seldom and one day yes one day not. Steam isn't able to properly fullscreen on a portrait oriented monitor since it exists, the bug is mentioned on Steam forums almost daily and they keep ignoring it or are unable to fix it, well, an approach like that wont fly with an OS, on another note I have a 21:9 TV among other will the OS scale with that screen, I know it does with Windows but I seriously doubt Steam OS will.

Who portrait orients their TV to play games on it?

@tomba_be said:

To make it a successful OS some things need to happen:

* It has to 'just work' on 99% of the hardware. Most gamers just don't have time to browse the internet for hours to find a driver.

* It has to have a way to make the vast majority of Windows games (past, present, future) run without any significant performance loss.

If only the first one is there, it will still make an interesting OS for a media center or a more office/home-centered machine.

But since even the big Linux companies have never succeeded in either of those, I doubt Valve will make it happen.

I doubt the graphics drivers are going to be a problem, from looking at their package repo, they'll be maintaining their own set of nvidia drivers apart from ubuntu's, probably harnessing all that work with hardware manufacturers that they've been touting since this push started. I haven't had problems with the ubuntu repo's nvidia drivers anyways. http://repo.steampowered.com/hometest/pool/steam/n/

SteamDB folks found Spotify and local/network share/itunes playlist playback support in Steam so we know that will be one of the media services http://steamdb.info/blog/25/

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@amafi said:

@churrific said:

It probably would've helped if they made all 3 of their announcements as one big announcement. There's little to no context as to what/who this OS is for, as made apparent by some of the confusion in the comments here. Why drag it out over the course of the week?

It's fairly obvious. It's for people who already own a gaming PC running windows and who are too dumb to figure out a way to connect it to their TV.

or whose tv is too far from their pc

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#6  Edited By TinyGrasshopper

@colourful_hippie said:

@markwahlberg said:

Not to be a dick, Alex, but saying 'living room' over and over again doesn't really clarify what this is supposed to do.

A living room, what's not to get? A standard home entertainment setup with a big screen in a big room with a couch in front of it should be the stereotypical image that comes to your mind.

And if not I'm a God-hating Communist? This is what the Cold War was all about, after all.

What I meant was it doesn't clarify what this is supposed to accomplish. Although to be fair, neither does their website, so maybe it's not Alex's fault.

What's not to get? A computer hooked up to your TV which is usually in your living room. Imagine a PC OS that just boots straight into Big Picture, except it has two more options in the main menu. One for 'stream from desktop' and one for 'video services'.

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@colourful_hippie said:

@president_barackbar said:

I still don't get the point of this and a potential "steam box." Essentially, Valve wants to make a PC console, which I guess is ok, but one of the things I like about my PC is that when I'm not using it for games, its still a computer. I need a computer for school and my daily life, the fact that my computer ALSO plays games is just an added bonus. I guess I'm just not really seeing who this is for. If I already have a computer, why would I buy a Steam box?

And people seem to be forgetting that all of this will be running on PC's, you know, the machines that let you do quite a lot of shit like running multiple OS's...

Because you don't want to move your computer to your tv, to play on the couch. Hence the low powered streaming only steam box.

To be honest though, I doubt this is going to be ideal. I think the results will vary as wildly as your wifi reception will. At least if its anything like Chromecast, which never works right for me streaming video over a webpage. The only redeeming thing about it is that since its an open OS you can hook it up over a cable on a regular crappy PC like an old pc or a netbook. I think this will be good enough for most indie games.

Or because you're well off, and you don't want to buy two copies of a game for desk and couch and you want cloud saves, steam friends list, badges, etc etc. synced in between a game played at your desk PC and at your living room PC. Hence the real steam box, which would be clearly the best option.

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#9  Edited By TinyGrasshopper

I might buy a 2DS. I don't care about 3D and $129 is not a lot.

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