http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24627
 
I know this is a really partisan issue and I don't want to start a huge debate, but I'm really glad that Chair didn't allow Orson Scott Card's political beliefs to bleed into the game.
 

ah, the wise minds of NeoGAF

I actually feel even better that I bought this now

As allways the ultra liberals belief is paramount.
""any one that doesn't think the way i do, and doesn't have my beliefs deserves no money, food, or life for that matter""
 
A game that has nothing to do with a persons beliefs should be boycotted or you should offset the profit that orson scott card makes by donating to a gay foundation.
 
which is why i take the middle road, ill buy the game i could care less what the maker, or whatever has as his belief structure as long as its not personally affecting me.
 
P.S: the ultra conservative are just as bad mind you.

Funny you say that, since the basis of Empire is basically that everyone is entitled to their beliefs, as long as they don't infringe on others'. Just because Orson Scott Card is Mormon and conservative doesn't mean he isn't a critical, thinking man who sees more than one might realize without reading his works. Empire is not especially kind to either doiminant viewpoint of the american political spectrum, but being as it was written at a time where republicans controlled the government, it was natural that he wrote it from the point of view of a liberal group as anti-government. It all makes sense, and the only ones he paints sympathetically are the moderates on either side, though again, he focuses on characters that share his beliefs, which are for the most part conservative. Now tell me, is it wrong for someone to disagree with your politics, to the point where you shut your mind to any chance that they might have worthwhile ideas that you can learn from? Extremism is the only enemy of reason. Any side of the spectrum is just fine, until it tries to deny the right of other views to exist.

The first city that is going to be attacked is San Francisco. Think about it. :P

Christian Nutt wrote that, sorry, but I found his name kind of funny.

It Is NOT Orson Scott Card's Fiction

" Christian Nutt wrote that, sorry, but I found his name kind of funny. "

" The first city that is going to be attacked is San Francisco. Think about it. :P "

People who take stands like these are silly. Shadow Complex is a good game, and Card is only tangentially connected. Even if you disagree with his beliefs, none of them even touch Shadow Complex (which is somewhat lacking in the story department), so in the end you are just depriving yourself of entertainment to take a stand against a cause that can only be very, very loosely connected with this game.
 
Also, this is from NeoGAF. /thread

LIke many people here I couldn't care less about the story. Let's leave the controversy to NeoGAF and paid bloggers in desperate need of a subject.

Meh, who cares.  I didn't see any ultra conservative and homophobic stuff in the game.  The closest you get is that the main character has a girlfriend but it's not like there's lines in there like, "I love my opposite sex girlfriend, and so does Jesus" or something like that.
 
The only character with an "america is in a moral hellhole" attitude gets shot in the face at the end of the game.
 
I wouldn't directly donate money to this Card guy and I wouldn't goto a rally that he speaks at.  But this is just a game and a damn good one at that.  If some pro-queer guy makes a bad ass game i'll play it as well.

" The first city that is going to be attacked is San Francisco. Think about it. :P "

This is stupid. Because the man is anti gay, we should boycott his game. His game has nothing to do with his own personal beliefs. I mean it's not like there is any subliminal or even obvious anti gay messages in the game... So stupid.

As a gay man, I couldn't give a shit less about this Orson fellow, one way or another. He didn't make the game. The game is awesome. Any sort of political message it would even attempt to convey would be lost in it's god-awful plot, but whatever, it's fun. Deal with it. Conversation over.

 as someone who has read some of OSC's work and am familiar with his views I can say I don't agree with his views but I find him to be a great writer the plot of the game probably would have been much better if he wrote it. now saying that I belive that OSC has the right to his views even if I don't agree with them, in fact he doesn't overtly put his views in his works as far as I know but evin if he did I don't think that would change the quality of his work which is generally very thought provoking. boycotting something due to the beliefs of someone loosely associated with it is very stupid.    

" @The_A_Drain: For once my friend we are in full agreement haha. "

" As allways the ultra liberals belief is paramount. ""any one that doesn't think the way i do, and doesn't have my beliefs deserves no money, food, or life for that matter""  A game that has nothing to do with a persons beliefs should be boycotted or you should offset the profit that orson scott card makes by donating to a gay foundation.  which is why i take the middle road, ill buy the game i could care less what the maker, or whatever has as his belief structure as long as its not personally affecting me.  P.S: the ultra conservative are just as bad mind you. "

Fuck NeoGAF, I hate that place so much. "

You explore a complex and shoot dudes in the face, while finding a thousand collectibles, and looking  for your girlfriend. That's what the game is about.

I am a conservative who listens to an ultra liberal, Neil Young. I'm cool with that. I am also cool with playing games made by people who do not share my political beliefs, even as it concerns the civil liberties of minority social groups. 
 
It is when games enter this realm of Serious Business that I take a step back and a remind myself that games are meant primarily for fun. 
 
And I bet if we all knew the political beliefs of our favorite developers, we would be very surprised. Especially as it concerns Japanese devs, who likely have a very different belief system from us westerners.