Giant Bombcast 12-13-2011

Vinny's Zelda Adventures, Jeff's "Face Down Ass Cap, that's the way we like to...", dude this was a fun episode.

I didn't think this up, but a great tagline for the Star Wars Galaxies ending would be: "Not like sith."

GET IN THE RING, MOTHERFUCKER

@bunkerbuster05 said:

Over 3 hours?

OVER 3 HOURS?

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

HIS POWER LEVEL IS OVER 3 HOOOOOUUUUUURRRRRSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

HELL YEAH BOMBCAST!

Bombcast is funny part of the time.

@Gahathat said:

I didn't think this up, but a great tagline for the Star Wars Galaxies ending would be: "Not like sith."

I love it, even if it's not yours you made it work

So I tried out giantbomb's idea and picked something random to see if a dubstep existed. It did actually exist and here is the link

You guys need to bring the last bombcast song back! So much better! A classic!

@Milkman: You're a good dude, Milkman. hahaha

Its kind of getting depressing listening the crew just shit all over EA and Bioware almost every podcast.

Comparing JP1 to JP2 is kind of silly. JP1 is an incredible film top to bottom. A stone cold classic. JP2 is goofy and kind of dumb, but (in my opinion) in the best way possible. There are some legitimately great scenes in it (anything with the two T-Rexes, anything with the raptors) and I think the end part in San Diego is good, stupid fun.

The real bad movie is JP3. That movie is just boring. Bland action, stupid characters, no fun. Blegh.

And that's all I have to say about Jurassic Park!

I'm happy Vinny agrees with me on Skyward Sword. It's not a bad game, it just doesn't deserve all the blind love it's receiving.

I sort of wanted Jurassic park to be good. Oh well. Off subject but I really like the Trine 2 QL today..nice game, I'm going to try it. As for Zelda and slow starts, I don't know if Zelda deserves the excuse, but most games feel compelled for a bit of tutorial..they want those new players.. Make better games, that is kind of it, yeah straight on and true.

I'm with Ryan. Ska revival has to happen, although it never really died. I've been to a Reel Big Fish concert last year and they were as good as ever.

on vinny's beatles masterplan,

that sounds like Raymond Kurzweil's high school science fair project, in the 60s

Just wanted to say, I cannot run bastion through chrome. My craptop doesn't meet the requirements

I'm happy Vinny agrees with me on Skyward Sword. It's not a bad game, it just doesn't deserve all the blind love it's receiving.

@neoepoch: Knee-jerk, much?

The dubstep chat had me in tears.

PLEASE add dubstep to the game of the year stuff. Heavy drops, fo sho.

you know how when you notice something completely neglible and just totally unimportant but once you do it bothers the living hell out of you?

When Vinny started describing the opening of Zelda he said "Like" about 12 times and then Patrick followed up with a few and so on and so forth, and it became all I could hear XD I had to stop the podcast and walk away for an hour in order to stop noticing it and enjoy again :P

Great bombcast though as always :D

Holy crap that was a long bombcast!

@bkbroiler said:

Comparing JP1 to JP2 is kind of silly. JP1 is an incredible film top to bottom. A stone cold classic. JP2 is goofy and kind of dumb, but (in my opinion) in the best way possible. There are some legitimately great scenes in it (anything with the two T-Rexes, anything with the raptors) and I think the end part in San Diego is good, stupid fun.

The real bad movie is JP3. That movie is just boring. Bland action, stupid characters, no fun. Blegh.

And that's all I have to say about Jurassic Park!

I love how people forget that the first two films were books first. Awesome books at that. It's the same with Lord of the Rings, it seems that so many people are fans of these franchises but never bothered to read the god damned books. Hey, wake up the LotR movies sucked compared to the books. The first Jurassic Park movie was good, but paled in comparison to the book, the second one was okay but the second book was actually pretty good, despite Chrichton being semi-strongarmed into writing it. But what do we remember from these series, not the source material, but the first good thing they spawned and all the crap that happened after they earned tons of money. People $uck.

I really think that for anyone who wants to get into MOBA games, or even just DOTA 2, it would be better to just start with LOL and transition to DOTA 2 once it is released. Disregarding the communities, I think LoL is probably the most accessible MOBA because it is the easiest to understand. Everything is simplified in LoL, and I feel like those simplifications make the game much more enjoyable while maintaining some depth for those who want to continue playing. Once you get a grasp of LoL, I feel like it would make learning DOTA 2 much easier. DOTA 2 is a faster game and things get a out of control faster in that game, and I think that could easily crush any beginer's desire to learn how to play. Just a thought.

Even if you dont want to play against others, it still might be good to just download LoL and play a few bot matches with others or by yourself just to get a good idea of the core mechanics of the game.

@PiltdownMan said:

@bkbroiler said:

Comparing JP1 to JP2 is kind of silly. JP1 is an incredible film top to bottom. A stone cold classic. JP2 is goofy and kind of dumb, but (in my opinion) in the best way possible. There are some legitimately great scenes in it (anything with the two T-Rexes, anything with the raptors) and I think the end part in San Diego is good, stupid fun.

The real bad movie is JP3. That movie is just boring. Bland action, stupid characters, no fun. Blegh.

And that's all I have to say about Jurassic Park!

I love how people forget that the first two films were books first. Awesome books at that. It's the same with Lord of the Rings, it seems that so many people are fans of these franchises but never bothered to read the god damned books. Hey, wake up the LotR movies sucked compared to the books. The first Jurassic Park movie was good, but paled in comparison to the book, the second one was okay but the second book was actually pretty good, despite Chrichton being semi-strongarmed into writing it. But what do we remember from these series, not the source material, but the first good thing they spawned and all the crap that happened after they earned tons of money. People $uck.

Oh yeah, we really needed to see Bilbo walking to Rivendell for 20 fucking minutes. Or how about having Faramir completely ignore the threat and malice of the Ring? But really, the gravest failing was not having a totally tangential Scouring of the Shire sequence, which ultimately added nothing and negated the whole build-up and eventual climax of the whole story.

I get that Tolkien was an influential writer, and his works, if nothing else, have some amazing depth, and the core plot is fantastic. But they are poorly fucking written. He wrote them totally from a historical perspective, not a narrative one, and as such, they are a fucking chore to read.

This is what EA has done to many companies before it's not like it's a surprise. While we're talking C&C what ea is doing to bioware is what they did to westwood.

'Welcome to the fuck shop!!' lol

@Make_Me_Mad: Catherine was fantastic, oh except for playing a mediocre puzzle game for a large chunk of your time with the game.

@DeanoXD said:

Its kind of getting depressing listening the crew just shit all over EA and Bioware almost every podcast.

He-he, its MMOs in general.

What I don't understand about The Lost World is... how did that T-Rex get out of its hold and kill the crew of the ship and then slip back into its hold again?

This is the first time I've seen the new Bombcast artwork. I like it.

Can't wait for Thursday evening. Star Wars Galaxies here we come!

So I thought "hey, this is over three hours!" thinking it would totally last me for my drive home for the Christmas break but by the time I actually had my stuff packed and got into the car I looked and only had twelve minutes left and couldn't believe it. Amazing how time flies when listening to the Bombcast.

I heavily dislike when Ryan sometimes turns into a demeaning asshole when someone else speaks. During the whole Trine conversation... Jesus christ. It's ok to not like things but don't be a dick about it.

Oh yeah, we really needed to see Bilbo walking to Rivendell for 20 fucking minutes. Or how about having Faramir completely ignore the threat and malice of the Ring? But really, the gravest failing was not having a totally tangential Scouring of the Shire sequence, which ultimately added nothing and negated the whole build-up and eventual climax of the whole story.

I get that Tolkien was an influential writer, and his works, if nothing else, have some amazing depth, and the core plot is fantastic. But they are poorly fucking written. He wrote them totally from a historical perspective, not a narrative one, and as such, they are a fucking chore to read.

@Turambar said:

@Shaanyboi said:

Oh yeah, we really needed to see Bilbo walking to Rivendell for 20 fucking minutes. Or how about having Faramir completely ignore the threat and malice of the Ring? But really, the gravest failing was not having a totally tangential Scouring of the Shire sequence, which ultimately added nothing and negated the whole build-up and eventual climax of the whole story.

I get that Tolkien was an influential writer, and his works, if nothing else, have some amazing depth, and the core plot is fantastic. But they are poorly fucking written. He wrote them totally from a historical perspective, not a narrative one, and as such, they are a fucking chore to read.

The book didn't depict Faramir being some how immune to the ring. He was simply a negation of Elrond's assertion that men is a failure of a species, and overcame the temptation. The Scouring of the Shire was meant to depict the growth of the hobbits as a species, dragged kicking and screaming into a world where they can no longer hide behind the swords and shields of men, isolated from the world. How you felt it negated the climax of the story is beyond me. You're right, they were written from a historical perspective given conciet of the entire thing being a journal written by the Hobbits to record the events of the story. And I fucking loved it and found nothing chore-like about it.

And also, I believe Tolkien saw LotR as a way to realise the Elven language. Which.. well, success!

I will agree that the 50 first pages of the first book is a bit of a chore, but it's followed by another thousand pages of epic.

Maaan... When Vinny goes off on a game, you know it's serious. He almost never criticizes anything. I guess he really hated the opening to Skyward Sword.

i don't know that i agree with Jurassic Park being pedantic, but i know if Patrick doesn't like it's probably best to stay away from it.

I love Jeff's ability to ignore the reality of any stupid purchasing decisions under the guise of "Well one of us needs to own it". The perfect crime.

Thanks Vinny for making me spit up my apple juice. XD "That is some interesting brand management!"

Its kind of getting depressing listening the crew just shit all over EA and Bioware almost every podcast.

Please do a Hip-Hop podcast! Your discussion had me in stitches!

I appreciate that Jeff doubled back and corrected his "we" to a "they". Among others in the press, the Weekend Confirmed guys sometimes pull the "we", and i have yet to see them actually make a game.

Not sure of this world we live in where people find the Jurassic Park series' main flaw as anything but 3...

@DeanoXD said:

Its kind of getting depressing listening the crew just shit all over EA and Bioware almost every podcast.

What's depressing is the stuff those companies get up to. Specifically EA.

@Turambar said:

@Shaanyboi said:

Oh yeah, we really needed to see Bilbo walking to Rivendell for 20 fucking minutes. Or how about having Faramir completely ignore the threat and malice of the Ring? But really, the gravest failing was not having a totally tangential Scouring of the Shire sequence, which ultimately added nothing and negated the whole build-up and eventual climax of the whole story.

I get that Tolkien was an influential writer, and his works, if nothing else, have some amazing depth, and the core plot is fantastic. But they are poorly fucking written. He wrote them totally from a historical perspective, not a narrative one, and as such, they are a fucking chore to read.

The book didn't depict Faramir being some how immune to the ring. He was simply a negation of Elrond's assertion that men is a failure of a species, and overcame the temptation. The Scouring of the Shire was meant to depict the growth of the hobbits as a species, dragged kicking and screaming into a world where they can no longer hide behind the swords and shields of men, isolated from the world. How you felt it negated the climax of the story is beyond me. You're right, they were written from a historical perspective given conciet of the entire thing being a journal written by the Hobbits to record the events of the story. And I fucking loved it and found nothing chore-like about it.

The historical relevance of Tom Bombadil was needing the, what felt like, hundreds of pages dedicated to his character. I won't even mention the measure of importance this encounter had on the remaining plot of the story.

@Turambar said:

@Shaanyboi said:

Oh yeah, we really needed to see Bilbo walking to Rivendell for 20 fucking minutes. Or how about having Faramir completely ignore the threat and malice of the Ring? But really, the gravest failing was not having a totally tangential Scouring of the Shire sequence, which ultimately added nothing and negated the whole build-up and eventual climax of the whole story.

I get that Tolkien was an influential writer, and his works, if nothing else, have some amazing depth, and the core plot is fantastic. But they are poorly fucking written. He wrote them totally from a historical perspective, not a narrative one, and as such, they are a fucking chore to read.

The book didn't depict Faramir being some how immune to the ring. He was simply a negation of Elrond's assertion that men is a failure of a species, and overcame the temptation. The Scouring of the Shire was meant to depict the growth of the hobbits as a species, dragged kicking and screaming into a world where they can no longer hide behind the swords and shields of men, isolated from the world. How you felt it negated the climax of the story is beyond me. You're right, they were written from a historical perspective given conciet of the entire thing being a journal written by the Hobbits to record the events of the story. And I fucking loved it and found nothing chore-like about it.

The historical relevance of Tom Bombadil was needing the, what felt like, hundreds of pages dedicated to his character. I won't even mention the measure of importance this encounter had on the remaining plot of the story.

Rap music sucks

@Turambar said:

@Humanity said:

@Turambar said:

@Shaanyboi said:

Oh yeah, we really needed to see Bilbo walking to Rivendell for 20 fucking minutes. Or how about having Faramir completely ignore the threat and malice of the Ring? But really, the gravest failing was not having a totally tangential Scouring of the Shire sequence, which ultimately added nothing and negated the whole build-up and eventual climax of the whole story.

I get that Tolkien was an influential writer, and his works, if nothing else, have some amazing depth, and the core plot is fantastic. But they are poorly fucking written. He wrote them totally from a historical perspective, not a narrative one, and as such, they are a fucking chore to read.

The book didn't depict Faramir being some how immune to the ring. He was simply a negation of Elrond's assertion that men is a failure of a species, and overcame the temptation. The Scouring of the Shire was meant to depict the growth of the hobbits as a species, dragged kicking and screaming into a world where they can no longer hide behind the swords and shields of men, isolated from the world. How you felt it negated the climax of the story is beyond me. You're right, they were written from a historical perspective given conciet of the entire thing being a journal written by the Hobbits to record the events of the story. And I fucking loved it and found nothing chore-like about it.

The historical relevance of Tom Bombadil was needing the, what felt like, hundreds of pages dedicated to his character. I won't even mention the measure of importance this encounter had on the remaining plot of the story.

Given how the sword of the barrow-barrow downs was specifically designed to help slay the nazgul due to the lineage of those buried there, that side story was very much intentional. Tom Bombadil's character himself though is a mystery. For all of his very specific and vivid descriptions of people and places, Tolkien intentionally left exactly who and what Tom Bombadil is blank (intentionally by his own words.) My guess is he was meant to be a reference to another short story that Tolkien never had a chance to put to paper.

I thought they were hallucinating throughout the entire Bombadil "sequence" and was literally waiting for the 'and then they woke up' part. When they left I was almost horrified that it was all considered an authentic experience.