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Endurance Run

Endurance Run: Persona 4 - Part 84

What happens when Ghoul tags along with Jack and his friends? THIS!

Vinny and Jeff sit down and take a crack at the latest game in the Shin Megami Tensei series. Will they make it through the entire game?

Jun. 11 2009

Cast: Jeff, Vinny

Posted by: Drew

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OK, Black Frost is a great Persona that you guys should definitely keep him around for a while. Mind Charge + Fire Amp + Agidyne means that he'll be GREAT for damaging the boss of this dungeon, especially since he's also not weak against anything.

On that note, if you have time, you guys should try maxing out Chie and Yosuke's S-Links before fighting the boss. It can use every type of elemental magic, and if you get them to rank 10 they'll lose their weaknesses so they won't get knocked down and give the enemy extra turns.

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BLACK FROST WOOO awesome video great job on fuzing!

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Since Fox only charges those in the party that need their SP replenished, you can switch Kanji and Teddie in for Chie and Yosuke, bringing the cost down because now only Charlie and Yukiko needs healing.

Alternatively, you can use items and/or minimize Charlie's use of SP by letting Invigorate heal him slowly while relying on your party members, the only problem is if you need Garu (let Teddie cover Bufu, Yukiko on Agi and Kanji on Zio).

There's really no need to quit the dungeon just yet.  At least get to the last floor so you can have the choice of fighting the boss immediately or grind a bit the next time you enter.

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And I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure you guys don;t have an incubus and you'll want one

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Once you go black.....


;)

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@xDot said:
" Don't forget you need Personas for your S Links, and lose the B Team! Stop wasting time levelling them, Kanji does and will forever suck and you seem pretty committed with Chie over Teddie so stop. "
B team saves SP from main team on re-clears or early floors. Very easy to bring them in clear the first few floors and use few SP with "Charlie" then bring in the main group and finish the dungeon in one day. Also you can just use Charlie in say Yukiko's castle with Invigorate 2 and rush throughout the dungeon to get full SP again.
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Black Frost is awesome.  I used that persona on just about the rest of my first playthrough after I got him, until I got kohryu at near the end of the game.

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@pornstorestiffi: False.

So worried you guys were gonna have a fusion accident. Yes, that can happen.
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@Subject2Change said:
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@xDot said:
" Don't forget you need Personas for your S Links, and lose the B Team! Stop wasting time levelling them, Kanji does and will forever suck and you seem pretty committed with Chie over Teddie so stop. "
B team saves SP from main team on re-clears or early floors. Very easy to bring them in clear the first few floors and use few SP with "Charlie" then bring in the main group and finish the dungeon in one day. Also you can just use Charlie in say Yukiko's castle with Invigorate 2 and rush throughout the dungeon to get full SP again. "
its faster just give the fox the 20000 yen needed. and use one team.
The time saved for not having to deal with 2 party far outweight the time saved for not paying the fox.

Unless for some unknow reason people really want having 2 party, there aren't any pratical reason, but some people are perfectionist.
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How is it faster?  It isn't.  And its expensive.  The game gives you all theses characters for a reason.  And yes there is a very practical reason, characters have different relative strengths at different parts of the game.

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Yes Yes Yes! Woot! Back on schedule Investigation team! 


Hee Ho!
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Black Frost...an awesome persona to have with you. 

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That Gorgon seems like a pointless fuse to me.  You could have made it with a double fuse (Vinny even spoke its name nonchalantly more than once on seeing it in the double fuse menu, then Jeff sees it in the triple and calls it a Gorgahn and they both forget having seen it many times in the past :P), and it had a much lower magic skill than the high pixie so its mazio and zionga it inherited will be weak in comparison.

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@lishi said:
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@Subject2Change said:
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@xDot said:
" Don't forget you need Personas for your S Links, and lose the B Team! Stop wasting time levelling them, Kanji does and will forever suck and you seem pretty committed with Chie over Teddie so stop. "
B team saves SP from main team on re-clears or early floors. Very easy to bring them in clear the first few floors and use few SP with "Charlie" then bring in the main group and finish the dungeon in one day. Also you can just use Charlie in say Yukiko's castle with Invigorate 2 and rush throughout the dungeon to get full SP again. "
its faster just give the fox the 20000 yen needed. and use one team. The time saved for not having to deal with 2 party far outweight the time saved for not paying the fox.Unless for some unknow reason people really want having 2 party, there aren't any pratical reason, but some people are perfectionist. "
Have you seen Vinny's/Jeff's Yen??? They don't have the money to toss around like that.

Personally ran with a B team in the later half of the game and wish I did it the entire time. Don't see how it kills time. It just saves yen, and you may find you like Teddie better than someone else or whatever.

Only waste of time would be to have Charlie go into Yukkio's dungeon and farm SP, and if they would stock up on Taps and use em on him they could say burn 5-10 on him and do the same thing in reality.
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Vinny anf Jeff have gotten into the habit of waiting until the last minute to save people.  They also tend to rush the final few floors of the dungeon leaving them underleveled a bit.  Sicne they waited until the very last instance they don't feel like going back in again for a second run when the game encourages it (ie before the next victim).  This measn they don't have the money boost and Diadra's lacking materials to make new stuff.  So they enter the new dungeon underequiped and underleveled.  The fight for a few floors just hanging on and then decide to go back which devlaues the exp they'd gain if they just have done it between victims.

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Yeah you don't have Incubus, it's not the kind of persona that slips by unnoticed, you would remember getting it.

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I really hope they put in Teddie and Kanji for Chie and Yosuke, then heal SP with Fox and go back in the dungeon.  It would be such a waste to leave now.

The next time it rains is the deadline, guys.

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@Curufinwe: But by leaving, they can sell their materials and get new equipment to make the dungeon easier. It's not a clear-cut decision.
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@Crispy: They've been trying to 'go physical' with Chie for weeks.
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I spotted Yata-garasu. When you can fuse that without blowing something good, get it. It gets a passive spell called Cool Breeze. Cool Breeze helps Charlie's SP majorly, as it restores 8 percent of HP and SP at the end of every fight.

I'm pretty sure from like, 40 on, I made sure to pass Cool Breeze onto my main dudes.

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Great ep today.  Can't wait to see what happens tomorrow when Black Frost unlocks and opens a can of whoop-ass on everyone around.

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And I thought the battles were boring...

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God, I've been waiting for them to get Incubus for the lulz for the past few weeks, but they just keep on ignoring it every single time. When they get the cards and incubus is the only one there, I'll be like "finally!" but then they look away...

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@SpunkyHePanda:

Oh sorry i forgot only your opinion counts
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@SpunkyHePanda: True, but I don't think they need new equipment to go up a couple more levels.

They are on the 5th floor of this dungeon, but they are not even close to being halfway finished with it.  So ending the day with all that SP left would be a waste.
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@pornstorestiffi: It's okay. Don't let it happen again.
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ya'll got a pretty decent black frost. You will have that dude for a long time and btw Mind charge is amazing

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@lishi said:
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@Subject2Change said:
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@xDot said:
" Don't forget you need Personas for your S Links, and lose the B Team! Stop wasting time levelling them, Kanji does and will forever suck and you seem pretty committed with Chie over Teddie so stop. "
B team saves SP from main team on re-clears or early floors. Very easy to bring them in clear the first few floors and use few SP with "Charlie" then bring in the main group and finish the dungeon in one day. Also you can just use Charlie in say Yukiko's castle with Invigorate 2 and rush throughout the dungeon to get full SP again. "
its faster just give the fox the 20000 yen needed. and use one team. The time saved for not having to deal with 2 party far outweight the time saved for not paying the fox.Unless for some unknow reason people really want having 2 party, there aren't any pratical reason, but some people are perfectionist. "
It takes, like, 5 fights to get characters that are 10-15 levels behind up to being only 3-5 levels behind. You obviously haven't seen just how high EXP scales when characters are underleveled. They will be getting 5k and 10k where the rest of your party is only missing out on like 500. Not a big loss.

@SpunkyHePanda said:
" @Curufinwe: But by leaving, they can sell their materials and get new equipment to make the dungeon easier. It's not a clear-cut decision. "
Equipment really isn't much of a boost. They might get 5% more protection, max, from spending a ton of money (that they don't have). Slinking Chie up for her last level to lose her weakness could save them a few nasty hits on the next boss though, but black frost alone if he gets a few levels should tear the boss a new one by himself.
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I think they'd be best served by simply paying the Fox and jumping back into the dungeon from the beginning.  They have some serious level grinding to do.  They'll make back the money they spend on the Fox by repeating those floors again anyway.  The stupid rare hand monster gives 10,000 yen by itself.  Plus, if they make sure to reset the dungeon by visiting another dungeon, there'll be new treasure chests and therefore more opportunities for the really good gear.

Whipping out Kanji and Teddie just widens the experience gap between your main characters which are already underleveled.

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Whats up with all this complaining and teaching them how to play ???

just shut up, stop complaining and enjoy the show!!!

Hee Ho! :D:D:D

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You have become black frost, destroyer of worlds. Black Frost is useful MUCH longer than most personas of its level, so don't dump it for a long, long time.

Tip:Please start using more physical skills. As you're starting to see with Chie's Rampage, they kill things perfectly well, and the hp they eat up costs much less sp to restore than casting magic on everything. Chie and Kanji are BUILT for physical attacking too, so if you want to keep using them much longer you should start focusing on their real strength instead of shoehorning them into caster roles. Chie does suffer a bit of a weird spot around here as her magic's getting outdated(since teddie's replacing her in the ice department) and she doesn't have too many great physical skills yet, but keep at it and you'll end up with one of the deadliest attackers in the game.

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Ghoul's cries of anguish made my day.

Edit: Also, for the purposes of entertainment I like seeing alternating A and B teams, it gives people a look at what everyone can do. Plus, Teddie and Kanji are much more awesome than the A team.

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You know what would be cool? If there were a section of the site where everyone could check Vinny and Jeff's progress in Persona 4. Like everyone's level, what personas they have, S. Link ranks, etc.. I don't know who would have the time to keep everything up to date, I'm just saying it would be cool.

Actually, I'll go a step further and say that in the future, all games should give you the ability to share your progress online in real-time and compare it with your friends. It would at least help single-player games to be more interactive. "Hey, I saw you went all the way with Chie last night. Nice."

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I think an Alraune is some kind of psychoactive plant.

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Dude yes on the Black Frost. You guys should totally jump back in the TV and mess some Shadow dudes up. Or jump out and aim for that SL 10 with Chie. Either way, I know you guys'll make it amusing.

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I'm sorry but this episode was bad... I wouldn''t forgive them for just rolling for zio

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Can't wait til tomorrow!

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About time ye crush that dungeon.

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I'm excited! :D Black Frost looks like one hell of a power house.


lol ghoul's card was on top when fusing. He was the alpha all along.
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Pixie: Earth!
Pyro Jack: Fire!
Jack Frost: Wind!
King Frost: Water!
Ghoul: Heart!

By your powers combined I am BLACK FROST, ho!

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In your heart you already know the truth: Black Frost is Funky Student's Persona.

And Alraune was the second ally demon you saw early in Devil Summoner 2.

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Jeff's opening gambit about the strawberry thing that had been sitting there "all night" was textbook theater of the mind. Sublime.

UPDATE: "Who draws that?!"

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Unless the enemies are weak to ice or have crazy physical defense, you guys should have Chie using her  physical skills, she really becomes a powerhouse (even more so when you get her link to 10).  Also you bought new stuff for the B team but haven't changed her shoes in months!  Ew!  Also great job with your fusing recently.

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JEFF AND VINNY ARE THE SAVAGESS ESSSSST HEE HEE HO!

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@pornstorestiffi said:
" Im getting so tired of the music in this game its horrible. "
LIAR
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@RelentlessKnight said:
" I'm sorry but this episode was bad... I wouldn''t forgive them for just rolling for zio "
hey no need to be a debbie downer
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Damn, it's probably too late, but Jeff, Vinny, I'll put this in terms that your love of rap music will make you understand.

Mysterious Fox is ODB.  You're Kelis.

Paying the fox is like buying another day.  You're going to make your money back and then some (two Hands = 18000 yen, which is what he wanted to fully heal your SP) and with Black Frost at the helm, you're going to be seriously blowing people up now. 

Every time you start questioning the amount you have to give to the fox, just remember the following words:

"Hey, Dirty, baby I got your money, don't you worry, I said hey, Baby I got your money..."

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Grinding in either P3 or this one seems completely optional, especially in P3 I basically got to the top floor of one level and then messed about with a drunk monk and Mr. Tanaka. Personally I kinda like the fact they are not hardcore grinding for the bosses it gives a sense of tension and honestly makes for a better endurance run in the long run.

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It's Black Frost time! ho! he is one savage dude!

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Going the mage route on everyone is way too expensive SP wise. Once you get to the dyne part its going to drain you pretty quickly.I'm just a little bit ahead of you guys [september 7th], kinda fun playing first then watching a different approach.

When you're low on sp the death card is a godsend, not only does it replenish all sp but it spawns all the mobs again aswell. This will give you a chance to get more exp per day.Even if it takes all your sp away, pay the sly fox since all mobs are spawned again. Used this method to kill the void boss on my first day so I could spend the rest levelling the social links. Wasting too many days will cripple your links, which in turn cripple your skills....cripple your damage.
Charlie is a mage/dd/healer, yosuke=mage, chie=dd, yuki=healer/mage hybrid. Chie's aweful sp is a good indication :)

All that aside, do you like Jrpg's/anime now? Once you start....you're going to love GUNDAMS ;)
Don't forget!!