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Quick Look: Modern Warfare 2 (PC)

Jeff and Brad get their hands on the more... controversial version of MW2.

Sit back and enjoy as the Giant Bomb team takes an unedited look at the latest video games.

Nov. 10 2009

Cast: Jeff, Brad

Posted by: Drew

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@MAST said:
" @Crono said:
" 6v6 in 2009?  One word:  Progress! "
One word: GROUND WAR  Don't try to act like 6v6 is all you can do in this game. It's called "options." I think most of you have actually constructed some magical place in your minds where everything about the PC version of MW2 is garbage, and there is no way you are ever going to concede that notion. You'll probably be telling your grandkids stories about how Infinity Ward broke your heart, and committed Hitler-like atrocities.   Fact is, it works just fine, and most game journalists (including the ones on this website) are posting videos or blog posts saying that exact thing. It's just fine! "
Your ability to count is rivaled only by your ability to go off on a nonsensical tangent involving "magical places" and grandchildren.
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Edited By Light_Bahamut

Hey, what about Hardcore mode? It's the only way to play CoD4 for me.

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Cool!
 
I was bummed out that Jeff did a very Multiplayer and console version review.
 
After seeing the PC version, and the IWnet stuff, it doesn't seem so bad.
 
As for mod support...
Dude, Epic just released the Unreal 3 Engine.

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8:18 - Nice work.

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@Crono said:
"...nonsensical tangent involving "magical places" and grandchildren. "
Nothing was nonsensical about it, what I said was very simple. However, I realize you are one of those "entitled PC brats" so I'm not going to bother explaining it to you... Sorry you couldn't wrap your small mind around what I said. How bout a hug?
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50% of games I play are so laggy that the game literally hangs and freezes every 5 seconds, until the game abruptly tells me that the host was disconnected. The other 50% of games are either flawless or somewhat laggy.
 
Not as bad as it was made to be, but nothing compared to dedicated servers

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@MAST said:
" @Crono said:
"...nonsensical tangent involving "magical places" and grandchildren. "
Nothing was nonsensical about it, what I said was very simple. However, I realize you are one of those "entitled PC brats" so I'm not going to bother explaining it to you... Sorry you couldn't wrap your small mind around what I said. How bout a hug? "
Good thing you have all the answers.  Your grandchildren will appreciate that.
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More like Modern BOREfare! Uh huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuuhuhuhhuuhuhhuhuh.

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I'm returning this game back to Amazon.com, and the reasons are (for those who want information about the PC version and are on the fence about purchasing it):
 
1) One of the selling points for me was Spec Ops mode. But strangers can't join your Spec Ops game. Only friends on your Steam friends list. If you don't use Steam for social networking, or none of your steam friends play MW2, you're boned here.
 
2) The lag is utterly horrible in multiplayer for at least 60 percent of the games you get into. Everyone who petitioned MW2 for lack of dedicated servers for issues of lag? You were right, and I will no longer argue against you. This host migration shit sucks.
 
3) The IW game engine is amazing, but the campaign is a little goofy. There's a very heavy "America and Britain are inherently good, and every other country pisses pure evil" vibe to it. More so than found in previous games. I could deal with it if I could at least coop this goofy nonsense with other players.
 
4) The Airport Terrorist mission is straight up retarded. Terrorists have real objectives and brains, they're not cavemen with metal skin.

 Mw2 has an amazing game engine, and the presentation has some great moments. But like...yeah..there's a lot to not like about this game. Don't kill me for being honest.

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@buckybit said:

If you're coming from that angle: I see HALOas a PC Game, before Microsoft bought Bungie and turned HALO into a XBOX launch title. Doesn't change a thing now, does it? ;)

Halo is a Mac game, buds.
 
I got the 360 version and I have noticed some low res textures, but I would be interested to know if the PC version really does have higher resolution textures, because all too often the PC version won't and yet people assume it.  I noticed more particles in the video though.
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@buckybit: Yeah, except Halo was a Mac game until Microsoft bought them.
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stupid steam :'(

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The enemy is heavly armed with rubber bullets filled with Smuckers jam!

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@TheFrostedGamer said:
"4) The Airport Terrorist mission is straight up retarded. Terrorists have real objectives and brains, they're not cavemen with metal skin.  Mw2 has an amazing game engine, and the presentation has some great moments. But like...yeah..there's a lot to not like about this game. Don't kill me for being honest. "

There is a point to what they are doing, framing America for a horrible citizen-killing slaughter.  They didn't do it for fun.
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Jeff, you don't like hip firing? I see why you went 13-20 now...

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 You guys have no idea what PC gamers are upset about. It is all about the communities that form, the rule set. Very disappointing video, you two are completely disconnected from the PC community. The mods aren't something that 'someone will just figure out', because IW will be forcing patches and restricting options, as well as removing the console, mods will not be possible. I should have realized your disconnect after giant bombs painfully awful quick look for arma 2 and complete misunderstanding of PC gaming.

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 "Less than ideal all around basically, but it kind of feels like PC gaming is growing up and kind of joining the rest of... the way the world works, the way this is all a business." -Jeff

Sigh, really?    This quick look, while nice, feels like a subtle jab to Giantbomb PC gamers. 

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@Sent said:
"  "Less than ideal all around basically, but it kind of feels like PC gaming is growing up and kind of joining the rest of... the way the world works, the way this is all a business." -Jeff Sigh, really?    This quick look, while nice, feels like a subtle jab to Giantbomb PC gamers.  "
I kind of thought that line was a little cringe worthy too, but you should probably cut him some slack.  You don't exactly think about everything that comes out of your mouth when you're trying to talk and play at the same time.
 
Hell, I almost joined the army because I was talking to a recruiter while trying to play WoW. 
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@buckybit said:

" @Sushbag said:

" @HCARyan: It's a sad state of affairs though, because CoD wasn't a console series that happened to be on the PC, it was a PC series that eventually ended up becoming a hit on consoles. I still see CoD as a PC series, and the treatment of this PC version is unacceptable. "
If you're coming from that angle: I see HALOas a PC Game, before Microsoft bought Bungie and turned HALO into a XBOX launch title. Doesn't change a thing now, does it? ;) "
 
 Halo may have been originally been planned to release on mac, but was obviously developed in the end to be a console title, with very slow paced gameplay that takes into account the limitations of a gamepad. There were numerous changes from the first builds that were shown, IE changing the game from 3rd person to first person. After the changes they made from what they originally planned to release, it was really no longer a Mac or PC game. 
 
I don't care for what Modern Warfare 2 is on the PC, but I am glad that Microsoft had the sense to include dedicated servers in both Halo and Halo 2 on the PC. That's the reason I'm still able to find a game to play in the original Halo today should I wish.
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I wasn't too interested before, but now I'm actually kind of curious. It certainly looks like a fun game, from this video.

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I needed to see a nice fair look at the PC version of this game, and Giant Bomb provided. Thanks Jeff and Brad, you guys kick ass :D

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@Light_Bahamut said:
" Hey, what about Hardcore mode? It's the only way to play CoD4 for me. "  
More of this would've been nice but I guess we can assume its the same as in CoD4
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@Sent said:
"  "Less than ideal all around basically, but it kind of feels like PC gaming is growing up and kind of joining the rest of... the way the world works, the way this is all a business." -Jeff Sigh, really?    This quick look, while nice, feels like a subtle jab to Giantbomb PC gamers.  "
Ugh, I missed that line the first time around. I really don't get why Jeff, of all people, has been so pro-corporation and anti-consumer on this issue.
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I dont buy the hype, BF2 and CSS still own this game by miles cod is repetitive as hell theres no depth to it.Its just  brainless run and gun filled with gimmicks i mean perks.I hope IW stop making PC games we dont need this generic shit on PC anymore.    

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@Crushed: It seemed like he was biting his tongue at times. At least that's how I heard it. And if you want to have a console experience on a PC then sure why not. But how many PC gamers are actually searching for that? I have no idea, it may be tons of them. But, why would they invest ~$1000 for it when they could just pick up a $300 console. 
 
I have never met the casual PC gamer, ever. They must exist and they must be vocal for IW to change a pretty standard PC advantage. 
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Thanks for the QL guys, went a long way to helping my buying decision.  Just got a lot more shooter fans on my Steam friends list and I never gave a crap about dedi servers and mods. 
 
The 18 player cap is a little bit of a bummer but then again so is playing on maps that are obviously not designed for higher numbers is too.

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@Nasar7 said:
" @Light_Bahamut said:
" Hey, what about Hardcore mode? It's the only way to play CoD4 for me. "  
More of this would've been nice but I guess we can assume its the same as in CoD4 "
Game modes are locked to certain levels. You can't play Hardcore mode until you're like level 20 or something like that.
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@JEC03 said:
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I dont buy the hype, BF2 and CSS still own this game by miles cod is repetitive as hell theres no depth to it.Its just  brainless run and gun filled with gimmicks i mean perks.I hope IW stop making PC games we dont need this generic shit on PC anymore.    

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You sir, are an idiot.
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i like what Brad had to say about not being able to change the volume for sound and music independently.  I like to raise the music and lower the sound a little...  I don't like hearing BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM, over and over and over and over again at top volume...

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@Tebbit said:
" @JEC03 said:
"

I dont buy the hype, BF2 and CSS still own this game by miles cod is repetitive as hell theres no depth to it.Its just  brainless run and gun filled with gimmicks i mean perks.I hope IW stop making PC games we dont need this generic shit on PC anymore.    

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You sir, are an idiot. "

Why because i have standards for games and i just dont buy games with massive media hype.
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Looks like Jeff's multiplayer prowess is the same as mine; getting killed every nine second by some 11 year-old Korean kid on a Red Bull drip.

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@HCARyan said:

" MW2 is a console game now.  PC gamers shouldn't expect an amazing PC port much like they wouldn't with a game like Gears of War or Halo.  It's time to move on, there are better PC games out there. "

Yep....sux for PC gamers.  At least they still got Valve and Diablo 3 and Natural Selection 2 is gonna be sweet.  Makes me wish I still was a PC gamer but my comp is getting old to the point where buying a new game is pointless to me unless I wanna play it on low settings and still chug along.  I stick to consoles, specifically PS3.  Because I like the abuse of having crap ports.  At least Demon's Souls is the best game I've played in years.
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@Renegade said:
" @HCARyan said:

" MW2 is a console game now.  PC gamers shouldn't expect an amazing PC port much like they wouldn't with a game like Gears of War or Halo.  It's time to move on, there are better PC games out there. "

This man speaks the truth. Anyone looking for a great online PC experience should go get Team Fortress 2. It's developed for the PC, not the other way around, and it is supported through dedicated servers, where you choose the map you want to play on, the connection you have, if you want mods or not, if you'd like to play on a family friendly server or not, if you want to play with 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 people...the list goes on. "
Yep, I still play TF2 on a regular basis.  It's a great multiplayer game, but it's too vertical for the console, which is a reason the console version isn't as good.  I'm not sure what the appeal is to unlocking game altering weapons, but valve (after some struggle) has allowed methods to easily unlock them if you so choose.  I think this is a very important aspect of PC gaming that a lot of developers are lost on (this is going to be a bit of a tangent).
 
MMO pvp battlegrounds aren't very well balanced.  Game mechanics aside, the whole gear system is very similar to an unlock system.  For many years PC gaming has always been about balance -- you and your opponent have the same tools, it's just a matter of how you use them.  For some reason, developers thought the loot aspect of mmo battlegrounds would act as the same incentive to keep playing, just as an mmo player would be addicted to new gear (or a torchlight/diablo player).  Personally I think it's a terrible idea, and have never found it fun.  It's like unlocking characters in fighting game -- I just want to be able to play.
 
It does work fine for cosmetics though.  I really don't care if someone else has a shiny hat, a golden AK-47, or a robot pet frog.  Trying to force people to jump through hoops to access all aspects of multiplayer is just annoying for me though. Thus, MW2 is not for me -- I will stick to actual PC games.
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I was on the fence so decided to watch my brother play yesterday before I made my decision. As an aussie the multiplayer is just plain busted at the moment.
I thought the purpose of matchmaking was to get you into the optimal game. But the amount of times he got assigned to game with half the players with red pings was ridiculous. That was assuming the game started,  5-10 minute waits in the lobby for more players with no chat to communicate. And so far the host migration has never be quick, with delays of several minutes each time.
I want to like the game, the actual gameplay is just as great as Modern Warfare was. But I can't recommend it when trying to join and play a game is more painful than any experience I had playing COD4 on 360.

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I am actually interested in this now. Hated the first one, but if I could get this running decently on my PC it might be some fun. Just got to upgrade first because my PC is shit.

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pussies, hardened isnt too hard

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I'm assuming that the Barrett 50 Cal. is not a level 50 unlock anymore considering that the highest level in that game was a 21 which is still pretty crazy but I'm sure there are people that have already prestiged once maybe twice.

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Will finding Intels give you special cheats like Slow-Mo and stuff again? That'd be awesome. Was a fan of the Slow-Mo effect in COD4.

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This game is totally... Oscar Mike.

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anyone that've ever played counter strike or quake or tf2 know how important a dedicated server is. It can make or break the multiplayer experience. When you join a server not only you know what type of game you'll play, the connection you'll have but also the community you will play with. When you join an adult own server you'll know that you will be playing with a mature crowd, that can't be done by the match making system.

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Looks better than I thought it would. Maybe I'll check this out after all. No mods still sucks though.

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Yo Duders, thx for the correction. I don't mind being corrected. 
 
I saw early Halo development presented on a PC - that's why I was so PC-driven. Still I think Mac andPC was the target market. But this was not the point I was trying to make, nor was it the point of this thread.

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@ArbitraryWater: OMG I hate you. 
 
Once I started to notice they said it a lot. I then realized they said it constantly!
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@Milkman: Oh ok, makes sense now that they couldn't show it but it's strange that it's locked to a certain level. It's the only way I played CoD4.
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After this quick look, really want to pick up the PC version. Only thing I'm still contemplating about is the number of players in matches. Might just continue sticking with cs source.

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Yeah, I was really considering picking up MW2 despite it not having the dedicated server support. But I'm just hearing too many complaints of unreliability. Say all you want about dedicated servers, but at least the one thing they always did right was a solid connection. It's a shame that IWnet can't emulate that one aspect, or else I would have actually dropped 60 dollars on a PC title.

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@Foshi said:
" I am actually interested in this now. Hated the first one, but if I could get this running decently on my PC it might be some fun. Just got to upgrade first because my PC is shit. "
If you hated the first one, why would this one interest you?
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That is not what Afghanistan looks like.

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Stopped watching when ya''ll started to show the campaign. But the multi-players looks just as good as the previous game.

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At least PC gamers (myself included) know that all the dedicated servers out there for COD4 will still be there... and what's MW2 but COD4 with new maps and new perks...? There isn't much more to it then that as far as I can tell. 
 
I'll stick to COD4 because I hate matchmaking.