that is poetry my friend...... lets ditch PS4 tressfx graphics and go with NES or Genesis Sprites that slide into a small postage size frame that re-enact this scene.

There's no tension in a situation if an antagonist of less power gets the upper hand on a protagonist of greater power.

One could argue that there's no tension in any situation involving main characters, but that's a different point entirely.

If these scenes really bothered you, I'm left wondering how many movies/games/books/television shows you've experienced in your life.

lol I'm not english, nor american, so some subtleties are hard to keep in the midst of an argument.

People find different things unrealistic and imersion breaking. Different strokes for different folks isn't it?

Candidate theory, which is different from truth.

The thing is no one is asking you to believe anything you don't want to. You just can't negate what goes against your beliefs, because it is a belief, no matter how well based it is.

@hollitz said:

There's no tension in a situation if an antagonist of less power gets the upper hand on a protagonist of greater power.

One could argue that there's no tension in any situation involving main characters, but that's a different point entirely.

If these scenes really bothered you, I'm left wondering how many movies/games/books/television shows you've experienced in your life.

I haven't see many movies/games/books/shows where women are apparently helpless protagonists and are able to defeat bulkier men in close combat. But I don't think that is a trend.

My inbox just wants to thank you guys for keeping that quote train running even though it had nothing to do with me. :P

The first post was answered previously. And with Return of Kings I was talking about a point being made in an article about video games, that, although being a machist write-up, did hold an interest idea for discussion. But this is the internet, and it is much better to focus in something completely beside the point, than in the argument being made. Some people did discuss it, and could understand the what was being discussed, others just got rilled up with the machist bullshit, and got sidetracked. It's the internet.

And I want to thank you for your reply, so I could post another. ^^

I'm not entirely sure at what you're getting at here, but it looks like you're saying that no matter how wrong you're proved to be, you aren't going to change your mind because you believe that you're right?

No. Means that there is no proof concerning the Giza Piramid, and so many other mysteries. And a principle in problem solving that gives us the best candidate solution, doesn't necessarily brings us the true solution, just the most likely.

Like the Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor) says:

Occam's Razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result

So you can't actually prove anything with it.

So I continue making the point that something that goes against your beliefs, as well based as they are, but without real evidence disproving it, is not impossible. Just not plausible to you.

And I'm not saying that the beliefs you hold are wrong, or that your theory is wrong. You just can't enforce them as the truth, because they aren't. No complete explanation has been provided, so you can't prove anything that hasn't been already established based on your beliefs. In short, different strokes for different folks.

The Pyramids are magical, The people of Roanoke didn't integrate into surrounding populations and the opening section of the Timaeus by Plato - a dramatist turned philosopher - far from being a cliffhanger due to the author not completing the trilogy the dialogue was supposed to preface, is a historical account of an actual place called Atlantis (which may have existed - who knows? What would it prove?)

You seem to be rejecting, or at least seriously doubting all plausible and reasonable explanations for your examples of "mysteries," but the mere idea of an athletic woman managing, in a moment of duress, to overcome a man is so troubling as to break your sense of immersion.

I'm lost.

I'm not. I just don't make the assumption that something is impossible because it's highly improbable.

What really troubled me about Lara is that she seemed like a normal girl, no more athletic than the next, and against the ground with a knife's blade near her neck, and a bulky man on top of her, plunging the knife against her, and she somehow managed to overpower the man, and stick the knife in his gut.

But although I think it is due to lazy storytelling, it is possible in extreme situations to do feats of astonishing strength. So I guess I should take my own medicine and think it isn't impossible.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT a goddamn minute, THAT's what broke the immersion for you? So..... how can a woman overcome a man is more impossible than everything else she did in that game?

Which one broke your immersion?

The Ants carrying the food?

Sam blowing the fuck up but still in tip top shape, only damaged clothes?

The fact that this is a cartoon?

@shagge: Though afterwards you see her heat up an arrow with fire, and then she stabs it into the wound screaming. Now I know this is hard to believe, but you can look this up if you want. When you put something extremely hot onto an open flesh wound, the wound instantly closes.

I'm aware of cauterization and how heat works, but it's not a magical cure that eliminates injury or pain. All it does is stop external bleeding (and increase infection risk). And even then, she only does this after a bunch of running about.

@jeust said:

So, what you're really saying here is that you have no trouble imagining highly improbable scenarios as long as they don't involve a woman overpowering a man in Lara's situation.

I think we're through here.