@hawkinson76 said:
@TentPole@TheHumanDove said:
Shawshank redemption. Dudebro gets raped all the time. Good movie
- Pulp Fiction
- Deliverance
- American History X
- Lawrence of Arabia
- Valhalla Rising
Just off the top of my head. All great films.
Deliverance! If that was the promise of the new Tomb Raider I would be all in, ALL IN I SAY. I am very, very doubtful they will handle it that well I am thinking itll be closer to Straw Dogs, gross.
There are a LOT of movies beyond the few listed throughout this. The difference is in whether it is attempted to be glorified or used to show massive emotional trauma that leads to the character overcoming adversity. I Spit On Your Grave is a prime example of glorifying rape by offsetting it with bloody revenge. Meanwhile, you look at something like American History X and it shows a progression of character, how this guy who thought he was bulletproof now shows humility and humanity.
The same can be said between the two different Straw Dogs films. In Peckinpah's original, it was an incredibly ambiguous scene due to the way that Susan George played it. There has always been a level of controversy about whether she showed an emotional response of acceptance within the scene, but overall, the scene wasn't even ABOUT that. It was about the violation of a man's home, a man in particular who was something of a wuss and took no action of his own when threatened. If anything, the scene itself was the catalyst for the change in Hoffman's character. Meanwhile, the remake was nothing more than a glorification of two "pretty" people having violent and unwanted sex in a generally unwanted movie. There was little to do with emotional response in it.
A Serbian Tale is another film that I feel just glorifies rape as a way to say "ISN'T THIS SHOCKING OH WOW". It's both a terrible film and utterly pointless beyond being violent and shocking for the sake of being violent and shocking. Meanwhile, looking at a film like Irreversible, you see a change in Monica Belluci's character and the amount of terror that she goes through. It's a very long and drawn out scene, but one that has a purpose. It's not trying to glorify anything. Monica struggles the entire time, and afterwards, we see the trauma she goes through.
I don't think that something like this should necessarily be off-limits in gaming. I mean, if you want to be considered as an art, you need to allow ANYTHING. However, you need to understand WHY you are putting it into your game. If they are talking about having Lara be raped, the question I would ask is "why is that happening". Is there an actual reason for it? Is it just a cutscene to say "here's Lara being raped, now she's pissed"? That would be dumb. It would also be stupid and rather insulting to turn it into a context-sensitive button masher where you are trying to escape, much to the effect of something like MGS4's infamous microwave sequence. I could understand why they would do that: it gives the player the understanding through mashing the shit out the buttons that it's a struggle. At the same time, putting a player in direct control of something like that seems like you are giving them the opportunity to participate...and there's just too many people that would get off on it more than try to prevent it...sadly enough.
In turn, I would say this: there's literally no point from either a gameplay angle, a situational angle, or a character angle that there needs to be sexual violence in Tomb Raider, especially since Lara is a character that has been sexually idolized by the gaming public for a long time. You are merely feeding into the wet dreams of a million gamers at that point in the worst way possible.
Instead, if you wanted to bring rape or sexual violence into a video game in a meaningful way that can have an effect on players to say "yo, this is fucked up", it would probably be best implemented with a new character of some form that we go on a heavy emotional journey with and get attached to, then find this horrible thing happening that we cannot prevent. If anything, the way that the "Jenny kill" in The Darkness played out - a cutscene in real-time gameplay engine that you were held back from and could do nothing to prevent - would probably produce the results that any developer would (hopefully) be aiming for.
Then again, when you know that games like RapeLay exist, it's kind of hard to actually not think the gaming industry will just glorify sexual violence as much as possible.
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