Here's That Crazy Ass Metal Gear Solid V Trailer Everyone's Talking About

@max_cherry: This game is a direct follow up to some of the events in Peace Walker, so no, that won't happen. In the Ground Zeroes trailer, they mention several things from that game, and this seems to be based off the true ending of PW. The Ground Zeroes portion takes place in 1974/1975, and the part after he wakes up will probably be around 1983.

Right hands up people who didn't see this one coming.......anybody?.........You in the back did you? Oh sorry just scratching your head.

Great music choice. Too bad I find Kojima's universe to be incredibly convoluted. Still, awesome trailer, and I do like the MGS games I've played.

Awesome trailer. I can't wait for more Metal Gear.

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no solid snake..no hayter...don't care. this looks stupid anyway...a beautiful trailer does not good game make..nope.

looks like more kojima horseshit...I'll pass on this one...what an abortion to Metal Gear's name. flying flaming whales? fire pegasis? whatever Kojima

sold

I still can't decide if I want this to be my first Metal Gear or not. I thought MGS4 looked interesting, but everything I heard about it made it seem like the story would make even less sense to me than it did to those that had played the previous games. I wonder how accessible this will be.

Do we know how long it's been since PW at the start of this game? If you remember the GZ trailer he was using some tech that I wouldn't place in the mid-70s. Basically, I want this game to set up MG1 and finally take this series full circle and it would probably need to start later than 74 and 83.

@Norusdog: I hear you, dude. I want to love Metal Gear (played them all), but I feel like the further we go, the more stuff I have to pretend isn't there to enjoy the good parts.

The pseudo-mystical stuff at Shadow Moses was one thing, but dudes summoning bees and crazy flaming whales? Come on, Hideo. Seriously man.

Am I looking forward to MGS5?
No.
Will I play it?

Probably...once it drops to $19.99.
Why?
MGS4.

MGS4 totally ruined the MGS franchise for me. I know there are tons of people out there that loved 4 but me personally, I hated it because Snake (after all these years) still moves like he was animated from popsicle sticks and the 87 and 1/2 hour movies Kojima puts in there.
You're either a game maker or a movie director Hideo, you can't and you need to stop being both. Pick one and totally drop the other.
So why would I even bother to consider playing this next game?

Well it's kinda like a train wreck to watch everything unfold, the characters are bat shit insane and I've played every MGS game up to this point so why stop now.
Having said, I will not be there day one. I'll pick it up much later down the road when it becomes less expensive.

I refuse to reward Kojima's movie making with my hard earned money with a day one purchase.

This trailer got me really interested to see how this bizarre story will attempt to unfold.

Maybe I should finally get around to playing MGS3 and MGS4. I've owned them for YEARS...

Dumb question: Could this be Liquid Snake?

@thefantasticfillip: Wow, thanks for that. I've played all the main line games, and I thought I knew the story... but it turns out I only was vaguely aware of half of it.

I'm so fucking in.

Even though I'm confused as shit. Was Ground Zeroes ever a thing? Is it still a thing? If both GZ and PP are MGS5, then which one is part 1 and....you know what? Fuck it. I don't care. Just release it (or them, whatever) and I'll buy it and play it.

Kojima Productions is a developer that I just like. Everything I've played with their fingerprints on it, I've enjoyed. So, they've earned my (consumer) trust in the madness that Hideo Kojima brings.

Also, I've read other places that some people were confused about why Ocelot looked so much older than he did in MGS3.

This game should be taking place about 20 or 25 years after MGS3. Just something I think some might want to know.

From what I heard during the conference, it seems like MGS 5 is a duology (?). First part is Ground Zeroes, which take place after Peace walker (Big Boss / Naked Snake arc). Second part is Phantom Pain, 9 years after Ground Zeroes, which I believe to be precursor to original MGS on PSOne.

Absolutely painful to watch.

Yeah, I just looked it up and apparently a rep for Konami...or KP...had confirmed that it's literally two different games. So, chronologically...we'd have to play Ground Zeroes and then play Phantom Pain.

I think Phantom Pain would be the precursor to Metal Gear 1. It doesn't look like Phantom Pain will feature a 20-something Solid Snake, so it looks like it'll be before that and Outer Heaven / Zanzibar.

Yeah that makes sense. I was secretly hoping that Phantom Pain is the story about how Big Boss met the Liquid's era FOXHOUND members.

Right now I just want to know the release date and whether it will be on current or next gen consoles.

They show Chico in the GZ trailer, and he looks the same age as he does in PW. Plus, I'm pretty sure in the trailer for MGSV, you can see "1974" on the side of the helicopter when he's shooting out of it. Sure, it would be awesome if it lead into MG1, but I think for right now the more recent stuff in the game will be not much later than 83.

Am I the only one who thinks all this stuff is nonsense, and not in the dumb as hell fun way?

I love Kojima and all his crazy shit.

What is even happening!? I am just gonna slowly back away.

IS THIS DRUGS?

Then I guess you find stuff like Inception or Twin Peaks as nonsense as well? It's all surreal imagery and the only ones who think it's stupid are the ones that take it as literal and not metaphorical.

It's why I didn't like MGS4 compared to the past ones. The past MGS games never directly expounded upon the supernatural stuff that happened in them and that's what made the games so interesting. Then when MGS4 comes in to explain everything away with technology and nanomachines, the surreal stuff became literal. It's like explaining a magic trick, sometimes it's better not to know, no matter how much you want to.

Looking real good.

...do what now?

More off-the-wall, crazy shit from Kojima? I'm all in.

@minipato:

Twin Peaks is craziness that I can get into, weird and crazy in a fun way. I did NOT like Inception though, I really didn't think it was as deep and involved as most people thought. I 'understood' the layers it was showing me, but I just didn't think it was entertaining. I will confess I don't like the gameplay of MG, maybe that colors it for me, but it seems like self serious drivel to me.

Big Boss in a Coma? Wind Fish? Holy shit, my expectations for this game just became completely unreasonable.

Too much Japan. Too much. No thank you.

I really doubt any part of this game will take place in the 80's given the weak state of the cold war then. However, according to Liquid, Big Boss was in a coma in 1972 and well into his 50's at that time. I don't see how Peace Walker can possibly fit in with what was laid out in the first MGS. Rather, I think this game will center on Big Boss' coma, Les Enfants Terribles, his ideological shift and creation of Outer Heaven. It will be the missing link in the MGS franchise.

how does this have anything to do with Japan?

Also, don't forget that Big Boss was accounted for in 1982 by Naomi, and definitely not in a coma at that time. So, the big 9 year coma must have happened prior to 1973, further supporting the notion that this 9 year coma and the coma Big Boss was in during the Les Enfants Terribles Project in 1972 are one and the same.

He's obviously trippin'.

What has the world come to? MGS more unsettling than Resident Evil. Hahaha.

holy shit, Garbage. didn't expect that.

Fuck it! I'm officially retired from games.

I'll admit I'm interested but.. eh I dunno anymore. It seems to have that same problem as RE and Zelda where they have a great world and its fiction, but no real firm vision of where they want to go with it so you're left with a really interesting universe but an absolute clusterfuck of a story that's all over the place and just becomes more and more impenetrable and up its own ass as it goes along.

Fuck you all.

Who cares

Who ever cares

Kojima don't care

that's why his games are the shit.

See you when the game's out.

Don't you know? Japan--apart from being a place on earth--is obviously a conscious, monolithic entity responsible for all cultural objects that are produced within its geographical boundaries.

And this is what I'm talking about. Have you played BF4, no. Have you played this, no. So how is this not about expectations?

It tells you that MGS have a fan base more willing to believe everything Kojima puts out is awesome.

Kojima: (translated from Japanese) Break out the KY ear lube, gaijins! 'Cause I'm about to f*** with ya' minds again! HAI!

I'm gonna bet buckets to your donuts that a good chunk of the people impressed by the trailer are not MGS fans by any means.

And are you sure it doesn't actually in fact tell you that the BF4 trailer, regardless of the ultimate quality of the game itself, was a piece of garbage? Far worse reception from the audience, and doing it, according to you, the "hard way", is both ineffective and inefficient.

You're letting your desire to make arguments about two games that have not been released make the actual argument between their respective trailers to be rather incoherent.

@turambar: Guy who never played an MGS game in his life here: This trailer is awesome.

Yeah I was initially thinking after seeing these trailers that this was going to be a remake of MG and MG: SS and they were going to kind of retcon it a bit. I wouldn't have been surprised that if after MGS4 everything more or less being "wrapped up" that they wouldn't go back to the original games and we'd see stuff like snake fighting gray fox in a mine field bare-handed. Judging from the comments I'm reading here this kind of similar idea/sentiment is pretty common. I also initially thought that would fit with the "ground zero's" title, but of course with Kojima it wouldn't ever be that simple or anything.

True Dat.

And lastly @thefantasticfillip: Excellent summation! It's also somewhat helpful that I just replayed MGS4 and finally decided to attempt (and obtained!) my BBE.

I've beaten all the Metal Gear games bar Peace Walker, which I've somehow managed to avoid entirely. All I know about that game is that it takes place in 1974 in Costa Rica or something. But, besides that minor caveat, I'm the Metal Gear expert, and I have some interesting theories. If I was tasked with writing MGS5, I would center it on the founding of Outer Heaven in the 70's and the chain of events leading up to Big Boss' decision to defect. That is the most interesting story thread that hasn't yet been thoroughly addressed in any Metal Gear game yet. MGS5 will put us in Big Boss' shoes during his most important transition. I predict ground zeroes will be the mission (which will take place before 1972) where Big Boss is exposed to the tip of the ice berg and is gravely wounded at the end. The Phantom Pain will pick up in Big Boss' subsequent coma where I believe about 3/5 of that game will take place, the game will end with Big Boss' creation of Outer Heaven in the 70's. This is exciting because it will clarify a lot of the first Metal Gear Solid by filling in this major narrative gap.